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I have read that 83,46% arp are enough to completely ignore a priest’s armour. I assume the same is also for lock and mage the case.
That makes me curious if it's even worth for a Arms warr to stack ArP beyond that point. Due to sunder armor a Prot warr needs probably even less ArP to completely ignore a clothies armour.
Shouldn't strength be the better suited stat at that point?
For Arms warrior? As far as I know, if you're playing full PVP Arms warrior, there's almost no chance to actually even get that armor penetration because of ressilence that you need. Are you doing some pve mix?
60% armor penetration is prefered to pvp with arms warrior and get execut enchant on your weapon for chance to proc 120 arp remember this enchant don't have a cd therefore you can get a proc while you already have the buff which will make the buff timer reset to full.
Those are some tips on how to handle your arp as a warrior in pvp going more than that is kinda meh but it's not a HUGE difference because that's probably coming from your dbw (I use WFS).
As for your resilience make sure it's 1050+ to be able to survive but if you have 83.46% arp you probably don't have enough resilience so get that fixed asap.
Hope this helped and have a good day.
You read wrong information. Arpen can't ignore more % than your character has. Sometimes it ignores less. (There is basically a cap for how much armor can be ignored.)Quote:
Originally Posted by mier
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Originally Posted by jendah
http://forum.warmane.com/showthread.php?t=409807Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerjayAT
To my understanding that means that ArP past 83,46% is waisted against clothies and that it's possible to reduce the armor of a clothy to zero.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Originally Posted by mier
You are. Homerjay missed important part of the formula. The cap is lower of targets armor and (targets armor +C)/3. So you would ignore just 83.46% of priests armor.
The formula goes: armor after arp = armor - arp%*min(armor, (armor + C)/3)
For a level 80 player, C=15232.5
What does "min" and armor with a comma behind it stand for?Quote:
Originally Posted by jendah
Probably the smaller value between "armor" and "(armor+C)/3".Quote:
Originally Posted by mier
I still don't get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heliox
Assuming I have 60% arp and the target has 15k armor. How would the formula look like?
The formula is "armor after arp" = armor - arp%*min(armor, (armor + C)/3)Quote:
Originally Posted by mier
So (armor+C)/3 would be (15000+15232.5)/3 = 30232.5/3 = 10077.5
Now you take the smaller value between armor (15000) and the result we just calculated (10077.5). So the smaller amout in this case is our result, 10077.5.
Now we multiply the value we have chosen (10077.5) by the percentage of arp you have (60%). So 10077.5 * 60% = 6046.5.
Last step is to substract the final value we calculated (6046.5) from the armor your target has (15000), so 15000 - 6046.5 = 8953.5.
So with your 60% arp your target with 15k armor now has 8953.5 armor.
With 15k armor, his damage reduction was 49.615%, but considering you have 60% arp and for you he has 8953.5 armor, his damage reduction is 37.018%.
Armor after arp = 15000 - arp% * min(armor, (armor + C)/3)Quote:
Originally Posted by mier
Armor after arp = 15000 - 60% * min(15 000, (15000+15323.5)/3)
Armor after arp = 15000 - 60% * min(15000, 10077)
Armor after arp = 15000 - 60% * 10077 (because 10077 < 15000) - you take lower number
Armor after arp = 15000-6046= 8954
With 4 k armor 2nd to last step and on would be
Armor after arp = 4k - 60% * min(4000, 6410)
= 4000 - 60% * 4000 = 1600.
Ok, now I get it. Ty!
And it gets even more complicated... Your dmg done increased by yet different amount..Quote:
Originally Posted by Heliox
Hit that would do 1000 dmg before armor does 500.85 dmg to 49.15% reduction, but 629.98 to 37.018% reduction, so it increased by 25.78%.
With that in mind, having 100% arp increases the dmg against a plate + shield target with 26k armor by 49%.Quote:
Originally Posted by jendah
And against a priest with 5880 armor 100% arp increases the dmg by 39%.
Unless I made a mistake in this calculation it seems like Arp is infact more effective against plate than against cloth targets.
In percentage yes, you are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by mier