A posible solution to economy and item hoarding

I'll keep it simple.
I sugest making reserving items and craftable reagents a bannable offense and i say this becouse the curent state of realms makes it hard to fill up certain slots due to items beeing BOE and raid leaders reserving it. Forbiting this practice will make for a better gold circulation betwen players and not just few getting rich and selling gold for coins after and buying what ever they need from marketplace.
Second sugestion is about anual gold squish.. the ideea is very good to reduce inflation but the execution is poorly done. The squish should be done randomly through the year and without announce so ppl don't hoard items to try and reduce theyr loses. after the squish a big message should be posted on the website or a message send throu the mail box.

Making reservations bannable is just plain dumb. Why would you ban people for literally playing the game? It's not Warmane's fault that people still join their raids. More so, people actually joining those raids prove that they don't mind that practice.

As for the gold squish, I agree with that. Announcing it is pointless.

"reserved items" from raids make so little part of economy, it doesn't matter. It also doesn't matter if 1 guy gets 100 items and sells them, or 100 guys get 1 item each to sell. If people would mind this "reserved" trend, no one would join those raids and such a thing would cease to exist. It would be absurd to ban things community is (obviously) enjoying and being actively a part of.

About gold squish, options are limited, since things like:
Reducing drop/reward rates would destroy what makes realms attractive.
Limited resource respawn compared to population makes questing a good option to farm gold(bad for economy)
Squish itself promotes inflation, people use goods to put in vault, instead of gold, everyone(who plays economy) is doing that all year, regardless for when squish will be. Unannounced squishes would do nothing to people who play economy, would make numerical prices constantly inflated, would only make poor farmer derps ragequit.

So things like time to get fast riding, dual talents must stay the same, that means drop rates must stay like this, that means over time, I'd say 4-5 years prices would start to raise to some extent. Squish compresses all that into 1 year span, where at the start everyone is grinding quests and desperately selling their stuff, then at the end everyone is stocking up on things to desperately sell after squish. And then there are people like me, who suffer very minor loss from squish, then rip off desperate sellers at the start of the year, then rip them off again at the end when they are stocking up, selling them their own stuff for double the price. But that doesn't matter for average everyday player, since they just grind their quests to buy things at any time of year, squish literally does not exist for them, apart from those 3 guys who lost 2000 gold before they could dump it in market on some stupid crap to prop up inflation.

If it wasnt for those ppl (which include myself) that reserve items in raids you would have 70% less raids weekly on every server. You are here from 2010 year seeing from your account , did you ever try and make a raid? Try make 1 week icc 25 n/hc or wait lets keep it simple try make a decent icc 10 man lets say 9/12 hc. Even on peak times on weekends you need average 1hour minimun to 1:30 to fill up the icc , then you kill 2 bosses and you hunter goes offline since wfs hc didnt drop then you loose 20 more mins to find replacement , after 2-3 more bosses you have your first Offline person , then you loose 20 more mins to replace , then ppl start to get annoyed slowly , then you have your first wipe and loose 10 more mins etc...so you basicly spend 4-5 hours for a icc10 n/hc , sure I had runs done in less then 2 hours with 20-45 mins recruitment but the 4+hours prevail...And in the end you are responsible for loot distribution , you gotta explain loot rules , BiS - Ms - Os ....Ms changes etc etc ..... And this is just icc 10 , just 10 ppl dont get me started with 25 since you need a friend to help you out etc or its just no point....
So you wanna make reserving items banable LUL .... First of all the item reserve has maybe 0.5% impact on the economy , second what makes you or ppl like you since i see alot of these clueless similar posts ban item reserve etc think anything is actualy wrong with the economy here?

Sure prices go up & down but so do they in the real world and same as here you have ppl that organise stuff raids etc and the item reserve is believe it or not the only thing they get out of the raid most of the time....so just think next time before speaking. Dont want to be rude or agressive but we had same post like this 2 weeks ago then 2-3 weeks before also..

You have ppl(wont name any1) with guild that contain 600 Alchemy characters with transmute mastery on each which is 600 epic gems daily and lets say xmute proc is 15 % and it can proc 1-5 so yea you actualy have ppl that have 750-800Epic gems on a daily basis and guess what mate they all get sold and ppl stil need more and more gems so yea lets not talk anymore pls about the item reserve and its 0.5% impact on the economy.

Also on a side note try and make a raid one week , icc 25 see how it works out and how mutch time , nervs , patience you invest.

you guys are missing the main point
the main goal of the gold squish doesnt have anything to do with ingame economy but its to screw over ( or try at least since its ezly avoidable ) gold sellers who sell gold for coins
it's as simple as that tbh
Gold squish makes you want to quit farming gold cuz it becomes like a chore to do every year , buy early sells late or lose 50% of ur gold , and it's really frustrating

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Originally Posted by worstbutbestlol

you guys are missing the main point
the main goal of the gold squish doesnt have anything to do with ingame economy but its to screw over ( or try at least since its ezly avoidable ) gold sellers who sell gold for coins
it's as simple as that tbh
Gold squish makes you want to quit farming gold cuz it becomes like a chore to do every year , buy early sells late or lose 50% of ur gold , and it's really frustrating

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Lol what are you on about? Gold squish was always about too much gold in circulation. It was introduced before Trade section even existed. They introduced trade to prevent scams which were happening, so that people have actual safe way to buy and sell gold and coins, not so they can screw them over as you put it. Your post isn't even thought out.

i meant those who sell gold/coins for real money , gold squish does help the economy yes but it's the real money ( donations ) economy that it helps not the ingame one

Just check out the previous years' gold squish announcement threads, you'll find all the information you need there to get a better picture. Since we discussed this topic a million times in those threads, it's foolish to write it all down here once again. In addition, this year's squish announcement should appear soon, they usually do it a month before the squish. Probably gonna be filled with people who don't see the big picture, they only see their gold getting halved and they're like " Where money "

I always suggested that someone, or a group of people should do an eternal gold squish "guide", with all the information about the economy, possibilites etc... but most importantly about why it's needed. This would happen in a simplified manner so that everyone can get their head around it. Once it'd be done, it should be posted right below every year's squish announcement thread, with the comments disabled, so the staff saves themselves 50+ pages of dissing from stupid people.

What angrylol said in the 2nd reply pretty much gives you all your answers in a nutshell, btw.

I can make on this server gold cap per week for example https://imgur.com/a/LgTcZfB

I dont see any reason to have more than 3k gold in bag in case of flask food or repair gold can be sold for coins on webiste

https://imgur.com/a/7uxkpAz 3500g in less than 1min

https://imgur.com/a/3aVSRcA
https://imgur.com/a/xW9ZroW
https://imgur.com/a/ww9d8K0
https://imgur.com/a/S0RKrCn


https://imgur.com/a/H4Vl3oa Less than 2 weeks


YOLO 5.000.000 Milion https://imgur.com/a/kLycHH9 ;)


Will be better if thay add some kind of gold sink

For example blizzard add in BfA mount that cost 5.000.000

You can add npc in orgrimmar that will be able to sell for example swift spectral tiger for 150.000g

I saw people on icecrown that are real casual players who level realy slow still keyboard turn sometimes thay que bg or do dungeon there is alot people like that and for example Fred who just ding to lvl 80 after few days he is trying to get gold for his epic flying and mount with vendors Fred have atm around 8k in bag and he is done with game for this day 3 days later Fred have free weekend and he want to play wow but half of his gold is gone Fred dont open forum to check what is going last time he open website when he made wow account 2 months ago

Any one who got this idea about gold squish few years ago ever think about people like Fred???

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Originally Posted by MLip

I can make on this server gold cap per week for example https://imgur.com/a/LgTcZfB

I dont see any reason to have more than 3k gold in bag in case of flask food or repair gold can be sold for coins on webiste

https://imgur.com/a/7uxkpAz 3500g in less than 1min

https://imgur.com/a/3aVSRcA
https://imgur.com/a/xW9ZroW
https://imgur.com/a/ww9d8K0
https://imgur.com/a/S0RKrCn


https://imgur.com/a/H4Vl3oa Less than 2 weeks


YOLO 5.000.000 Milion https://imgur.com/a/kLycHH9 ;)


Will be better if thay add some kind of gold sink

For example blizzard add in BfA mount that cost 5.000.000

You can add npc in orgrimmar that will be able to sell for example swift spectral tiger for 150.000g

I saw people on icecrown that are real casual players who level realy slow still keyboard turn sometimes thay que bg or do dungeon there is alot people like that and for example Fred who just ding to lvl 80 after few days he is trying to get gold for his epic flying and mount with vendors Fred have atm around 8k in bag and he is done with game for this day 3 days later Fred have free weekend and he want to play wow but half of his gold is gone Fred dont open forum to check what is going last time he open website when he made wow account 2 months ago

Any one who got this idea about gold squish few years ago ever think about people like Fred???

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Agree on the gold sink 100%

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Originally Posted by superbou

The squish should be done randomly through the year and without announce so ppl don't hoard items to try and reduce theyr loses. after the squish a big message should be posted on the website or a message send throu the mail box.

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the reason right now for the increse in prices on the AH is because of the gold squish beeing so close , if the gold squish is random then the prices will be like that all year long (or untill they do the cut) and the players that start haording right at the end of the gold cut will just hoard everything they get because they dont know when is the gold squish

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Originally Posted by MLip

I can make on this server gold cap per week for example https://imgur.com/a/LgTcZfB

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bro, teach me , please

here is my thought:

item reservation is nothing but ninja-looting.. the fancy way to ninja-loot an item
it's just euphemism... just because you use different words, doesn't make the bad part of that go away
ofc, you're not stupid, you just have learning disorder

also just because you pre-announce your action, doesn't justify it
if you pre-announce that you gonna murder someone, you not supposed to get away with murder, you should get prosecuted
if you pre-announce that you gonna ninja-loot an item, you not supposed to get away with ninja-looting, you should be banned


if a good raid leader does a pug, give him/her something else in exchange for his/her good leading
if a guild makes a grun, give them the ability to fair loot system where the non-guildies also have benefit


raid leading should be rewarded in a different way than just letting the raid leader ninja-loot... regardless of good leading or bad leading with disband after 2 bosses

and on personal experience:
on warmane it's the worst, most of the raid leaders doesn't lead anything, they just there to scream at you on voice chat while he/she is the one wiping the group non-stop, yet they reserve BiS items and BoEs and scrolls and fragments.
and no, I never reserved any item when I lead pugs, because I'm not a ninja-looter and had no problem with it, I still gonna get what I want properly, without ninja-looting any item by playing the game fairly.


resolution:
either don't allow reservation at all and reward successful/good raid leading in a different way
or
people who make pugs and reserve items without actually properly leading the raid, should be bannable, with evidence, voice recording, screenshots, video providing proof that the leader has no clue how to lead at all, or what's going on in the first place

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Originally Posted by lhffer

resolution:
either don't allow reservation at all and reward successful/good raid leading in a different way
or
people who make pugs and reserve items without actually properly leading the raid, should be bannable, with evidence, voice recording, screenshots, video providing proof that the leader has no clue how to lead at all, or what's going on in the first place

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Or you start and lead your own Raid without item reservations, which is the option you have.

You're free to have your personal opinion, but our instance on item reservations is the natural one: they aren't "ninja looting," since you are informed about it before you join. Nothing is being stolen if you're aware you won't get a shot at this or that item, and you're completely capable of not joining raids with that sort of stipulation.

That I did, own pug without reservation.
But when I don't want to raid lead or even assist, what options do I have left? How often any pugs are there without reservation that I would join? The desperation of not having 1 raid ID getting into waste can lead to a man to sin and join 1 awful pug without getting anything out of it.

I stick with PvP, nobody can reserve PvP items or honor or arena points.