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    And completely by coincidence, minutes after I...

    And completely by coincidence, minutes after I posted this a GOLD has killed M'uru. Grats to them.

    GOLD vs Promise for next KJ?
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    Will another guild ever kill KJ?

    Here's the list of the 10 guilds that have killed KJ thus far.

    http://armory.warmane.com/pveladder/Outland/The%20Sunwell/Kil'jaeden

    1 Panacea Horde Kil'jaeden 25 man 07:00 +15 1 2 22 December...
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    Join a guild and raid if you want items? Weird.

    Join a guild and raid if you want items? Weird.
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    Guild leaders who quit have told me that their...

    Guild leaders who quit have told me that their members are upset with the shop releases. They make older content hard to recruit for when people can just spend a few bucks and skip the content, to...
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    Yes, when nobody is left playing except cash...

    Yes, when nobody is left playing except cash shoppers, all will be equal.
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    Post a screenshot then.

    Post a screenshot then.
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    This entire post is nonsense. Medivh never had...

    This entire post is nonsense. Medivh never had more than 4k or 5k people on at one time.

    Also, to the seriousname, you have to take into account the other 1x, no cash-shop TBC servers that have...
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    No. TBC players are not the same as Wrath players.

    No. TBC players are not the same as Wrath players.
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    Guy playing on a high rate server....wonders why...

    Guy playing on a high rate server....wonders why there's no low levels...

    Really quality stuff here.
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    The drop rate is too low right now. Sunwell...

    The drop rate is too low right now.

    Sunwell guilds cannot get Sunwell items to drop organically. I think increasing the drop chance on the trash between Felmyst and KJ is a fine idea.
  11. Everyone else makes those though. This is...

    Everyone else makes those though. This is different at least.
  12. Why are you so mad?

    Why are you so mad?
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    People don't come back during Christmas holidays...

    People don't come back during Christmas holidays wtf. It's the exact opposite. Guilds stop raiding around the holidays and the pop is lower.
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    So, I think we agree that the first three bosses...

    So, I think we agree that the first three bosses are tuned well. I disagree with you on M'uru and think he's very challenging and exactly where he should be in terms of difficulty. Is it really class...
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    I think that's actually much better design than...

    I think that's actually much better design than having 4 difficulty levels.
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    Seems healthy for server pop. Recruit players who...

    Seems healthy for server pop. Recruit players who spent $400 on glaives and let all of yours quit because they've been replaced by *****s who bought double glaives and will still probably do 200 less...
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    It's also worth saying that releasing Illidan...

    It's also worth saying that releasing Illidan gear on the shop has killed every feeder guild for NA raid guilds. I'm sure it's done similar damage to EU raiders. They see people buying better gear...
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    I know of at least one guild that disbanded...

    I know of at least one guild that disbanded because of glaives on the shop. Just saying, that **** came way too early.
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    I agree with the above posters. 1x exp didn't...

    I agree with the above posters. 1x exp didn't help, being the second TBC server when the other was already so high pop didn't help.

    I'll also add that at the time there were others servers that...
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    I suspect their real money maker, long term, is...

    I suspect their real money maker, long term, is selling gold to progression guilds. Was it worth alienating them for a quick fix, so soon after Sunwell's full release? Time will tell. I doubt it.
  21. Sunwell guilds need people with at least BT gear....

    Sunwell guilds need people with at least BT gear. You can easily get BT ready with badge/kara/ZA gear.

    I think the fastest path (if that's what you're looking for) is a lot of kara, ZA, and...
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    These green geared/no trinket double glaives...

    These green geared/no trinket double glaives rogues in orgrimar...
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    As long as it's blizzlike I'm all for it then....

    As long as it's blizzlike I'm all for it then. Guess we can start from scratch with a new M'uru strat. No big deal.
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    For a guild who prides itself on min-maxing, it's...

    For a guild who prides itself on min-maxing, it's really transparent that now you're pretending that the availability of bis weapons to some people and not others is not an advantage.

    I never...
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    Am I insane or shouldn't they do shadow damage?...

    Am I insane or shouldn't they do shadow damage? Why would it be changed now after two guilds killed it when it's blizzlike already? Ignoring Sentinels was a retail strat also. Surely you're trolling,...
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