1. Hey one subject you didn't touch on that I feel should be added to your guide is when to gem for the socket bonus and when not to. I haven't played WOTLK since it was the current content on live but I recall it was only if the socket bonus is +agility but I don't recall how much minimum +agility to make it worth while? Can anyone touch base and perhaps add this to your guide? Thanks!

  2. Hey one subject you didn't touch on that I feel should be added to your guide is when to gem for the socket bonus and when not to. I haven't played WOTLK since it was the current content on live but I recall it was only if the socket bonus is +agility but I don't recall how much minimum +agility to make it worth while? Can anyone touch base and perhaps add this to your guide? Thanks!
    Once you get close to bis 10 haste and 20 ap becomes very close in value for your dps (according to your gear you either gem 40ap in reds and 20ap 10 haste in yellows or 20 haste in yellows and mixed gems in reds) -> any socket bonus that can be reached with red/yellow sockets is worth getting.

    Only 1 blue socket is worth gemming - to activate your meta and gem inside should be tear (10 all stats - str converts to ap on wotlk -> its a bit better than any purple/green gem).

  3. Is this a good guide, I'm new to rogues and I hear that assasination is the best

    Poisons
    Mainhand(1.8 dagger): http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=43231
    Offhand(1.4 dagger): http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=43232
    Main dps comes from the poisons. It's a must to get hit cap first for the poisons.

    There is an 17% chance for a spell attack to miss a level 83 Boss.
    (Poisons are regarded as spells!)
    Your hit cap is 315.
    If you wanna read more about rogue caps then click here.

    Stat priority
    1. Hit [315]
    2. Expertise [22/22]
    3. Haste [4k AP>Haste]
    4. Crit

    Items
    Try to avoid armor penetration. Your main dps comes from poisons which are spells. Get trinkets with haste bonus. Items with bonuses like this http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47272 are the best and items with bonuses like this http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50264 are the worst.

    Talents & Glyphs


    1. http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45768
    2. http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45761
    3. http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45767 with t10 2 set bonus
    or http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45766 without t10

    Gems
    Meta http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=41398
    Yellow http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40128
    Red http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40159 if you're under 4k AP then gem red sockets with http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40114
    Blue http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40169 only when the socket bonus is with agility.
    T9 geared rogues will benefit more from full AP gemming, and as they gain gear from ICC, Haste overcomes AP in EP and becomes the best stat. Why? Haste EP's improves as your AP increases. Therefore, once you're decked out in T10, you will benefit the most from mixing AP gems with Haste. AGI vs AP? The reason why you should never gem agility is because 1 agility equals to 1 AP, 0.012% Crit, and 0.024% dodge. It gives a little crit bonus (works on yellow and white hits, does not affect poisons) but it surely is not better than AP gem because poisons benefit from AP and Critical Strike Rating only.

    Professions
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=51306
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=51311

    Enchants
    Head: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44149
    Shoulder: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50335
    Back: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44472
    Chest: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44489
    Wrist: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44484
    Hands: http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=54999
    Legs: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=38374
    Feet: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44490 if you're not hit caped then http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=38986
    Mainhand: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=43987
    Offhand: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44492

    Race
    1. Troll http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=26297
    2. Night elf http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=58984 http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40211 goes on cd.
    3. Blood elf http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=25046

    Food
    1. http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44331 or http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=46377
    2. http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=42942

    Enough of the build up....

    This class is pretty awesome to play but pretty expensive if you want to get your dps to the top. It's because you need a lot of http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40211 .

    3 things you must know before reading the rotation section :P
    1. You need to keep up your http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=63848 (HFB) all the time(8% dps increase).
    2. Keep up the http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=6774 (SND). This part is easy because every time you cast http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=57993 your SND gets instantly back to maximum buff time which means you only need to apply this buff once at the start and never use it again when you're in combat. This awesome thing comes from your talent tree called as http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=51669 .
    3. Try to time your http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=57993 . Don't spam it. Use this only when the last one runs out. Use http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=57993 only with 4 or 5 combo points.

    Rotation
    Close or hide recount for the fight! Less stress, more fun. It's huge distraction (For example imagine yourself watching the recount, seeing you're first with big numbers. But one moment you're dropping down like to 6th place. From that moment you might start focusing more on recount than on your rotation. You might get discouraged and you might start to make mistakes).
    Keep your eye on cooldowns, combo points and never let the energy to the maximum.


    When there's no warrior or druid in your party/raid then you have to use http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=48676 and http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=48672 to apply http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=63848 (works only with bleed effect).

    I'll use seconds for timing the skills you'll have to use for the best rotation there is.

    -2 seconds

    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40211
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=1787

    0 seconds

    http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=63848
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=48666
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=6774

    2 seconds

    http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=48666 use it twice if needed to get 4 or 5 combo points
    Because you have all your trinkets and abilities on proc at start. You're with highest ap at start always.
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=57993
    This is basicly all what you do from start to the end of the fight.

    60 seconds

    http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=63848
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40211
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=26888

    120 seconds

    http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=63848
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40211
    Night elf can use http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=58984 here.

    Without warrior or feral kitty
    Spoiler: Show


    Lists are starting with BiS
    Trinkets
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=54590
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50355
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45609
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=48722
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=43573
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40531
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=39229
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40685

    Head
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50713
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51866
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=48235
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50206
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=46125
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40329
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=39399

    Neck
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47060
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=54557
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50421
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50452
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45480
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=46008
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50228
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40065

    Shoulder
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50646
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51254
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=48049
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=49785
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40305


    Back
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50653
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47418
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45461
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40403
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40721
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=43566

    Chest
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50656
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=48233
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47000
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51923
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=49841
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=46123
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40277
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=39386

    Wrist
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=54580
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51783
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47313
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45108
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=39765
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45611
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47582
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40186
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37853
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40738

    Hands
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51251
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=48234
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40541
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45838
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50021
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45312
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40362
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37409

    Waist
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47112
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51925
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50995
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45491
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=49806
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45709
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40260
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40205
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37714

    Legs
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51253
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51889
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=46975
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50269
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45846
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40333
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37644

    Feet
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=49895
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45162
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47445
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45302
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40243
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40748
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47992
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44297

    Ring
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50604
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50402
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51843
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47443
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=48954
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45303

    Mainhand
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50736
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50676
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51846
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47461
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45607
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50203
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=49789

    Offhand
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50621
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51868
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47416
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=48010
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45484
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47676
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=49807

    Thrown
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50474
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51880
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50169

    (If I missed anything from this list or something is wrong then let me know:P)

    Macros
    Mutilate with autoattack.
    Spoiler: Show
    #showtooltip
    /startattack
    /cast Mutilate

    Really simple ToTT macro, no need to worry where's the tank.
    Spoiler: Show
    #showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
    /cast [@targettarget] Tricks of the Trade

    Poisons on the skillbar slot 16 is mh and 17 oh.
    Spoiler: Show

    #showtooltip
    /use Deadly Poison
    /use 17

    Spoiler: Show
    #showtooltip
    /use Instant Poison
    /use 16

    Vanish & autoattack.
    Spoiler: Show
    /cast Vanish
    /startattack



    Poweraura
    Will update soon...
    I suggest to download poweraura addon so you can track your skills. I will upload the codes when I can.
    This is a guide for maximum dps. I didn't make any expetions for it.


    Any kind of feedback is welcome and let me know how much did your dps increase:).
    Is this guide good, I'm new to rogues and I hear assasination is the best spec is 3.3.5 and I don't want to waste my coins on these items you listed then find out combat or sub is better
    Thanks

  4. Is this guide good, I'm new to rogues and I hear assasination is the best spec is 3.3.5 and I don't want to waste my coins on these items you listed then find out combat or sub is better
    Thanks
    I dont agree with some things - like talent spec (51/13/7 is better according to my experience), but it is overall a good guide.

    Assassination is best on static fights like DBS. Combat is better in movement heavy fights (especially on LK himself). + combat provides useful raid buff.
    Sublety is considered the best pvp spec.

    If you are going to get just 1 item - get "Sharpened Twilight Scale" since its BiS for all specs. If you are going for more think it through carefully, take time to find out which spec is more suited for you. (I am not good combat f.e. even on fights where it should be better I perform better on assa)

  5. Assassination is any better now with new bug fixes? Yesterday I did 11k dps in voa25 with 5,6k gs and was top 2, loladin with 6,9k did only 13k dps. Was I just lucky or it's really fixed? :o

  6. Assassination is any better now with new bug fixes? Yesterday I did 11k dps in voa25 with 5,6k gs and was top 2, loladin with 6,9k did only 13k dps. Was I just lucky or it's really fixed? :o
    I did similar numbers even before moltdown. (with 51/13/7 and 2 slow daggers) What spec and weapons did you use?

    btw. toravon in VoA is one of the best fights assa can have, dont expect similar results in most cases.

  7. Guide has been updated. Will add Poweraura codes today.



    I did similar numbers even before moltdown. (with 51/13/7 and 2 slow daggers) What spec and weapons did you use?

    btw. toravon in VoA is one of the best fights assa can have, dont expect similar results in most cases.
    Added your suggested talenttree in the guide.

    Assassination is any better now with new bug fixes? Yesterday I did 11k dps in voa25 with 5,6k gs and was top 2, loladin with 6,9k did only 13k dps. Was I just lucky or it's really fixed? :o
    Envenom is now fixed and cannot be dispelled, basicly yes you do more dps now. Tho tiny needs fix and there are some other things what needs to get a fix.
    Edited: July 13, 2015

  8. I did similar numbers even before moltdown. (with 51/13/7 and 2 slow daggers) What spec and weapons did you use?

    btw. toravon in VoA is one of the best fights assa can have, dont expect similar results in most cases.
    I'm in general doing much more dps (14k dps lk10n) thanks to this guide. 51/13/7 could useful when you don't have enough gear. Never used it because I'm sure it's useless on my gs.

  9. The biggest problem for Assassination is that the Poisons don't get the proper buff from 30% damage increase inside ICC, and that Mutilate doesn't apply poison from your Off-hand (not 100% sure). Along with that, Tiny is still broken and procs only 1/5 of the expected amount.

    So currently, Assassination is still not that much viable, however Combat is. I'm hoping for some of the fixes for the above noted bugs.

  10. The biggest problem for Assassination is that the Poisons don't get the proper buff from 30% damage increase inside ICC, and that Mutilate doesn't apply poison from your Off-hand (not 100% sure).
    Mutilate applies OH poisons. Tested.

    I am not aware of the first issue though.

  11. Mutilate applies OH poisons. Tested.

    I am not aware of the first issue though.
    Poisons doesn't have DR that's whole point. dmg scale is WAY too low even outside ICC the poison are currently doing only 1/4 of the dmg it did in retail. I'm too lazy to report this so if you're willing to then please do it.

    It's not about OH WEP taralej.

    Like Tiny Abom Jar was 15% dps increase in retail. It proces on poisons, white hits and mutilate( which was 2 stacks). Now to the part with OH... The problem is that Tiny Abom Jar doesn't proc OH hits. Like NONE at all and when mutilate and deadly poison procs doesn't proc tiny... basicly assa rogue should do the same dps as did BIS Smourne paladins before the "FIX".

  12. Confirmed, it seems they recently fixed Mutilate Off-Hand Poison application.

    Tiny is still broken and pretty much does next to nothing.

    Poisons still do too low damage overall.

    Combat Rogues were fixed, that's why you see them higher on damage table lately, but Assassination is still sitting and waiting behind.

  13. Don't know if anyone has told you but the image for the 51/18/2 spec is wrong even though what you wrote after is the correct talents.

    Edit: Small mistake - on the 51/18/2 spec aswell, on the text you wrote Combat (13) and Subtlety (7) instead of Combat (18) and Subtlety (2)
    Edited: July 30, 2015

  14. Try to do something helpful and make a report on bugtracker, just opening new thread will result nothing.
    vote for https://www.warmane.com/bugtracker/report/741 would be a start =)

  15. Better DPS-


    I'm Oneliner from Deathwing. Playing currenty on the horde side in <Prestige> guild.
    Poisons
    Mainhand(1.8 dagger): http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=43231
    Offhand(1.4 dagger): http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=43232
    Main dps comes from the poisons. It's a must to get hit cap first for the poisons.

    There is an 17% chance for a spell attack to miss a level 83 Boss.
    (Poisons are regarded as spells!)
    Your hit cap is 315.
    If you wanna read more about rogue caps then click here.

    Stat priority
    1. Hit [315]
    2. Expertise [26/26]
    3. Haste [4k AP>Haste] Haste will become useful when you get to have over 4,000 AP.
    4. Crit [Critical Strike Rating not Agility]

    Stats Conversion
    Rating Conversion to 1%
    Expertise 32.78998947
    Hit 32.78998947
    Spell Hit 26.23199272
    Critical Strike 45.90598679
    Haste 32.78998947
    Armor Penetration 13.99572719
    Agi to Crit 83.33333333


    Items
    Try to avoid armor penetration. Your main dps comes from poisons which are spells. Get trinkets with haste bonus. Items with bonuses like this http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47272 are the best and items with bonuses like this http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50264 are the worst.

    Talents

    Assassination (51 points)

    Tier 1

    Malice (5/5) – Increases your Critical Strike chance by 5% (1 per point). This is a very powerful talent to be in a first tier, and that’s why this isn’t skipped by any Rogue, regardless of Spec.

    Tier 2

    Ruthlessness (3/3) – Gives your melee finishing moves a 60% chance to add a combat point to your target. Assassination rogues rely on fast generation of combo points rather than pure energy regen like Combat.

    Puncturing Wounds (3/3) – Increases the critical strike chance of your backstab ability by 30% and the critical strike chance of your Mutilate ability by 15%. We’re taking this solely for the Mutilate crit.

    Tier 3

    Lethality (5/5) – Increases the critical strike damage bonus of all combo moves by 30%. This won’t improve our white DPS, but 30% on Mutilate is too huge to ignore.

    Tier 4

    Vile Poisons (3/3) – Increases the damage dealt by your poisons and Envenom ability by 20% and gives your poisons an additional 30% chance to resist dispel effects. As an Assassination Rogue, we’re always going to have poisons on both weapons (really, all rogues should), and Envenom is our main finishing move, as it will refresh Slice and Dice with a talent we’re taking later. Buffing the damage of both is a must.

    Improved Poisons (5/5) – Increases the chance to apply Instant and Deadly Poison to your targets by 10%. We’re going to be using both of these poisons at all times. Poisoned targets take more damage from Mutilate, the poisons themselves, and it’s necessary to use Envenom.

    Tier 5

    Cold Blood (1/1) – When activated, increases the critical strike chance of your next offensive ability by 100%. A guaranteed crit. Take it and use it as often as possible. I tend to save mine for 5 combo point envenoms, which can crit for 15k+.

    Fleet Footed (2/2) – Reduces the duration of all movement impairing abilities by 30% and increases movement speed by 15%. This does not stack with other movement speed increasing effects. Reducing the amount of time that you spend moving from target to target will increase your overall DPS. You can also get this from the foot enchant Tuskar’s Vitality. If you go that route, take these two points and place them elsewhere in the tree.

    Tier 6

    Seal Fate (5/5) – Your critical strikes from abilities that add combo points have a 100% chance to add an additional combo point(20% chance per point). Between talents, buffs and abilities, Mutilate is going to crit a fair number of times, so we’re taking this for much faster combo point generation.

    Murder (2/2) – Increases all damage caused against Humanoid, Giant, Beast, and Dragonkin targets by 4% (2% per point). Unfortunately this doesn’t increase damage against undead, but we still see these types of mobs a lot in Wrath, so you’ll still get that 4% increase a fair amount of the time.

    Tier 7

    Overkill (1/1) – While stealthed and for 20 seconds after breaking stealth, you regenerate 30% more energy. As Combat, it makes sense to run around outside of stealth to start rotations, as opening with Sinister Strike is often the most efficient way to start combat. However, with this talent, it makes sense to open from Stealth whenever possible. This basically functions as a weaker version of Combat’s Adrenaline Rush. When killing trash, it’s generally available on every pull, and on bosses, you can use Vanish offensively to activate it multiple times in a fight.

    Tier 8

    Focused Attacks (3/3) – Your Melee critical strikes have a 100% chance to give you 2 Energy. You crit with your white hits more often than you think. This provides a much needed infusion of extra energy.

    Find Weakness (3/3) – Offensive ability damage increased by 6%. This ability is a flat 6% increase on all damage abilities you use, so you should definitely take it.

    Tier 9

    Mutilate (1/1) – Instantly attacks with both weapons for and additional 181 with each weapon. Damage is increased by 20% against poisoned targets. Awards 2 combo points. You can’t be a true Assassination Rogue without taking this talent, as the tree is really built around it now. True it is expensive at 60 energy (unglyphed), but it does massive damage and awards 2 combo points (3 if it crits).

    Master Poisoner (3/3) – Increases the critical hit chance of all attacks made against any target you have poisoned by 3%, reduces the duration of all poison effects applied to you by 50% and increases the bonus chance to apply Deadly Poison when Envenom is used by 45%. The raid wide critical buff is nice, but a ret paladin will also provide the same buff. The poison duration reduction is also nice but we’re taking this for the increased chance to apply deadly poison. Having this talent will pretty much guarantee that you have 5 stacks up almost all the time. If you do roll with a Ret Paladin and want to take Turn the tables on the other side of this tier, that’s cool too.

    Tier 10

    Cut to the Chase (5/5) – Your Eviscerate and envenom abilities have a 100% chance to refresh your Slice and Dice to its 5 combo point maximum. This was one of the best improvements that Assassination got in Wrath. If you Envenom with 1 combo point, it not only does the Envenom damage, but you’ve just hit a 5 combo point Slice and Dice as well. The only caveat is that Slice and Dice must already be up first.

    Tier 11

    Hunger for Blood (1/1) – Enrages you, increasing all damage caused by 5%. Requires a bleed effect to be active on the target. Lasts 1 minute. We’ll be using Garrote and Rupture if needed, so there’s your bleed effect. This buff should be kept up at all times.

    Combat (13)

    Dual Wield Specialization (5/5) – Increases the damage done by your offhand weapon by 50%. This is a buff to offhand damage, which includes the offhand damage from Mutilate. We’re taking it mainly to get deeper into the tree; plus, it’s a prereq for Close Quarters Combat.

    Precision (5/5) – Increases your chance to hit with weapon and poison attacks by 5%. The hit penalty for dual wielding is simply too high for any PvE Rogue build to skip this talent.

    Close Quarters Combat (5/5) – Increases your chance to get a critical strike with Daggers and Fist Weapons by 5%. because you’re using two daggers, you’ll get 5% extra crit on all direct damage you do.

    Lightning Reflexes (3/3) Increases your Dodge chance by 6% and gives you 10% melee haste. The dodge is nice, but we’re mainly taking this for the haste buff. This will cause your Deadly Poison to proc more often, which will in turn increase your Instant Poison procs. Additionally, this means more white damage, and more Energy from Focused Attacks.

    Subtlety (7)

    Relentless Strikes (2/5) – Your finishing moves have a 8% per combo point to restore 25 Energy. A 40% chance to get free energy every time you use a 5 point finisher and a 32% chance with a 4 point finisher.

    If you're under 4,500 gs you would like to use these talents...

    Glyphs
    1. http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45768
    2. http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45761
    3. http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45767 with t10 2 set bonus
    or http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45766 without t10. Both glpyhs are optional if you wish to have more aoe dmg the get Fan of Knives.

    Gems
    Meta http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=41398
    Yellow http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40128
    Red http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40159 if you're under 4k AP then gem red sockets with http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40114
    Blue http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40169 only when the socket bonus is with agility.
    T9 geared rogues will benefit more from full AP gemming, and as they gain gear from ICC, Haste overcomes AP in EP and becomes the best stat. Why? Haste EP's improves as your AP increases. Therefore, once you're decked out in T10, you will benefit the most from mixing AP gems with Haste. AGI vs AP? The reason why you should never gem agility is because 1 agility equals to 1 AP, 0.012% Crit, and 0.024% dodge. It gives a little crit bonus (works on yellow and white hits, does not affect poisons) but it surely is not better than AP gem because poisons benefit from AP and Critical Strike Rating only.
    At high gear levels, it is possible to run into crit cap issues - sometimes quite severely. Hence, it is not uncommon to need some hit both on gear and in sockets to mitigate this problem. This also makes crit (and to a lesser extent, agi) somewhat less desirable as a stat (as it means you need to socket more hit to cover it).


    Professions
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=51306
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=51311

    Enchants
    Head: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44149
    Shoulder: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50335
    Back: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44472
    Chest: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44489
    Wrist: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44484
    Hands: http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=54999
    Legs: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=38374
    Feet: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44490 if you're not hit caped then http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=38986
    Mainhand: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44492 or if you're with +6,5k gs then http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=43987
    Offhand: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44492

    Race
    1. Troll http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=26297
    2. Night elf http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=58984 http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40211 goes on cd.
    3. Blood elf http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=25046

    Food
    1. http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44331 or http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=46377
    2. http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=42942

    Enough of the build up....

    This class is pretty awesome to play but pretty expensive if you want to get your dps to the top. It's because you need a lot of http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40211 .

    3 things you must know before reading the rotation section :P
    1. You need to keep up your http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=63848 (HFB) all the time(8% dps increase).
    2. Keep up the http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=6774 (SND). This part is easy because every time you cast http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=57993 your SND gets instantly back to maximum buff time which means you only need to apply this buff once at the start and never use it again when you're in combat. This awesome thing comes from your talent tree called as http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=51669 .
    3. Try to time your http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=57993 . Don't spam it. Use this only when the last one runs out. Use http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=57993 only with 4 or 5 combo points.

    Rotation
    Close or hide recount for the fight! Less stress, more fun. It's huge distraction (For example imagine yourself watching the recount, seeing you're first with big numbers. But one moment you're dropping down like to 6th place. From that moment you might start focusing more on recount than on your rotation. You might get discouraged and you might start to make mistakes).
    Keep your eye on cooldowns, combo points and never let the energy to the maximum.


    When there's no warrior or druid in your party/raid then you have to use http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=48676 and http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=48672 to apply http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=63848 (works only with bleed effect).

    I'll use seconds for timing the skills you'll have to use for the best rotation there is.

    -2 seconds

    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40211
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=1787

    0 seconds

    http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=63848
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=48666
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=6774

    2 seconds

    http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=48666 use it twice if needed to get 4 or 5 combo points
    Because you have all your trinkets and abilities on proc at start. You're with highest ap at start always.
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=57993
    This is basicly all what you do from start to the end of the fight.

    60 seconds

    http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=63848
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40211
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=26888

    120 seconds

    http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=63848
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40211
    Night elf can use http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=58984 here.

    Without warrior or feral kitty
    Spoiler: Show


    Lists are starting with BiS
    Trinkets
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=54590
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50355
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45609
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=48722
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=43573
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40531
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=39229
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40685

    Head
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50713
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51866
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=48235
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50206
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=46125
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40329
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=39399

    Neck
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47060
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=54557
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50421
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50452
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45480
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=46008
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50228
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40065

    Shoulder
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50646
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51254
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=48049
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=49785
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40305


    Back
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50653
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47418
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45461
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40403
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40721
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=43566

    Chest
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50656
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=48233
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47000
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51923
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=49841
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=46123
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40277
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=39386

    Wrist
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=54580
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51783
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47313
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45108
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=39765
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45611
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47582
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40186
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37853
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40738

    Hands
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51251
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=48234
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40541
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45838
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50021
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45312
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40362
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37409

    Waist
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47112
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51925
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50995
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45491
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=49806
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45709
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40260
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40205
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37714

    Legs
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51253
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51889
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=46975
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50269
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45846
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40333
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37644

    Feet
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=49895
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45162
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47445
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45302
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40243
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40748
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47992
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44297

    Ring
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50604
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50402
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51843
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47443
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=48954
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45303

    Mainhand
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50736
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50676
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51846
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47461
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45607
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50203
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=49789

    Offhand
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50621
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51868
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47416
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=48010
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45484
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47676
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=49807

    Thrown
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50474
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51880
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50169

    (If I missed anything from this list or something is wrong then let me know:P)

    Macros
    Mutilate with autoattack.
    Spoiler: Show
    #showtooltip
    /startattack
    /cast Mutilate

    Really simple ToTT macro, no need to worry where's the tank.
    Spoiler: Show
    #showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
    /cast [@targettarget] Tricks of the Trade

    Poisons on the skillbar slot 16 is mh and 17 oh.
    Spoiler: Show

    #showtooltip
    /use Deadly Poison
    /use 17

    Spoiler: Show
    #showtooltip
    /use Instant Poison
    /use 16

    Vanish & autoattack.
    Spoiler: Show
    /cast Vanish
    /startattack



    Poweraura
    Will update soon...
    I suggest to download poweraura addon so you can track your skills. I will upload the codes when I can.
    This is a guide for maximum dps. I didn't make any expetions for it.


    Any kind of feedback is welcome and let me know how much did your dps increase:).



    Originally Posted by trm90
    I am having a debate in wether I should gem 20agility or 40AP? (yeah it's half the amount of the pure AP gems but they give us cri% and also with 'horn of winter' & 'kings' won't it be just a bit behind 40AP gems? aside a crazy load of extra cri%? , and also I never understood why 1.40 weapon is so important am doesn't it add like just a bit more poisons?


    .................................................. .......................
    Hey i have been playing assa rogue for a few years now, i think the dps can be improved by using both daggers from LK 25HC,
    also using Tiny abom, and DBW or Scale, becouse even assa rogues need armp, socketing all Haste + crit meta,
    and i dont know if you missed TOT but that should be a must also.

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