1. April 23, 2011

    [GUIDE] How to warlock (better) - 3.3.5a

    In this thread im not going to cover gear/ gem/ talents, but instead will focus mainly on the mashing of the buttons vs every class


    Interface

    I go for a very minimalist interface, as to not be distracted by floating numbers

    some addons I use:

    Move Anything
    This one is definitely the most important, you can remove/ change basically anything on your interface (hint the name)
    for this one i removed "errors and warning display", the red text that appears when you do something like cast when out of range. I found this to be rather irritating and redundant
    and i also removed some things that appear like the text when you go into a new zone
    my buffs and debuffs are relocated to better fit the position of my minimap (with another better addon, later)

    bartender
    This one is second most important, but may be a bit overwhelming when you first install it, this is normal
    with this addon i set the micro menu (character, spellbook, talents..) to be faded at the bottom left of the screen and comes into view with mouseover so it is out of the way
    it basically does everything that moveanything wont do
    i removed the bag bar, blizzard's art bar (thing behind your spell buttons) and any other thing (xp bar)
    also I set one action bar to be on the right, and normally is action bar 2 (which i have blank) then when I press alt, it will change to another action bar which has things like create healthstone, buff, firestone


    OmniCC
    This is another big one, it puts text timers on all debuffs of your current target and text timers on your cooldowns, which proves to be very useful


    SexyMap
    This is the one that i use to reconfigure my minimap, to put it out of the way
    on this one I unchecked clamp to screen, but it's scale at .9, deleted the borders it automatically does for you, and set it to fade 100% when im not moused over it
    I then went into interface menu under display and set "rotate minimap"
    It is a bit difficult to do at first, but it is only my preference so that I can have my entire minimap out of the way for combat purposes


    Chatter
    It looks a bit screwed up at first, but i used this one to move the chat frame out of the way after configuring it to look like standard chat frame (but a bit smaller)
    then I right clicked the chat frame and set the backround hue all the way down, so that it is clear, and also out of the way (I am saying this alot, aren't I)


    EpicMusicPlayer
    Not really a warlock addon, but im just showing my love for this addon since I like the original warcraft music so much

    Also:

    if you're going to use recount i'd suggest setting it to hide when in combat so you are not staring at the damage race as you attack

    turn off combat text
    it is fun to watch yes, but if you're serious about combat its best not to be basking in the glory of your dps

    under interface -> names turn off all names except that of enemies, it makes them easier to spot

    set your camera so that you can zoom all the way out, it helps a great deal with awareness

    turn on enemy health plates
    whichever your keybind is for it (v, shift-v, ctrl-v, alt-v) you may need to rekeybind it so that you can change it
    this helps very much with click targeting and seeing people behind walls

    hide party interface in raid
    another thing you can do to create a minimal interface

    I may be missing some things, which I may edit in later
    basically the only thing you want on your screen is your action bars (only which are necessary, change with bartender if you know your keybinds so well), your target, player frame and pet frame
    I cannot express how much this helps in high speed scenarios



    Macros

    oh yes, this is a big one
    heres some macros that I use


    /focus [target=mouseover]




    #showtooltip
    /cast [target=target] devour magic

    #showtooltip
    /cast [@player] devour magic

    using devour magic on any magic spell will dispel it, this includes
    pally stun
    fear, poly
    counterspell
    deep freeze
    etc.

    these are very important, and should be keybinded to something you can do by reflex (mine are shift-mouse wheel up and shift-mouse wheel down)



    #showtooltip
    /cast [target=focus] fear

    #showtooltip
    /cast [target=focus] banish


    #showtooltip
    /cast [@target] spell lock
    /cast [@target] seduction
    /cast sacrifice

    one button use pet abilities


    #showtooltip
    /use Fel Healthstone
    /use Runic Healing Potion
    /cast Lifeblood(Rank 6)

    oshi button

    these are your main macros to use, many other warlocks like to use things such as 1 button macros for firestone, healthstone, but are not really necessary if you have everything keybinded or hidden with bartender which I explained before (press alt to show buttons with buff/ healthstone)


    Keybinds

    for me, i keep all of my basic attacks with basic keybinds
    q e r f c t z x v 1 2

    then, for cooldowns and some utilities, (summon demon portal, shadow ward, etc)
    and also some other moves which could not be keybinded to the basic keybinds above, I use

    shift-w, s-a, s-s, s-d, s-q, s-e, s-r, s-z... so on

    I know you may not want to use shift because it is difficult, but after an hour it feels completely natural

    then for longer cooldowns, and things i do not use as much, I use ctrl keys, with the same letters above

    I've recently started using alt keys for things like banish and summon demon







    you get the idea, keybind things based on priority. Have certain easy to use keybinds set aside as reflex keys for things like silence, teleport








    PVP scenarios: Destro


    this section is basically to give real events to show how to react to certain spells/ scenarios

    Im pretty much assuming every class plays the same, but do not assume that yourself, these usually go this way but are often scrambled




    VS rogue


    prefered pet: succubus

    rogue: cheap shot, or garrote

    you: pet uses seduce

    you: get some distance, apply curse and dots as not to break seduce right away, immolate + conflagrate (conflagrate before he uses cloak of shadows!)

    rogue: breaks seduce, cloak of shadows

    you:

    1. sometimes pet will have another seduce up by now, goes through cloak of shadows (not a bug) if you get lucky you can wait out cloak of shadows, get distance, and reapply dots, if you do you should be able to finish it without trouble at all

    2. if not,

    rogue: kidney shot, or stealth and cheap shot/ garrote

    you: trinket stun, teleport (assuming you have it up and are in range, if not you're bad!)

    you: dps him down

    rogue: blind, comes into range, mutilate/ backstab

    you: death coil, fear

    you: dps him down again

    (usually dead by now)

    rogue: shadowstep/ vanish

    you: shadowfury, fear, shadowflame, get distance, dps

    rogue: shadowstep/ vanish + cloak of shadows

    you: teleport, dps, fear




    VS warrior

    prefered pet: succubus
    warrior: charge

    you: pet seduce, get some distance, apply dots first, conflagrate

    warrior: charge

    you: trinket, teleport dps

    warrior: spell reflect
    you: curse of weakness (wipe off spell reflect), dps, kite, dps, shadowflame, kite

    warrior: charge, bladestorm

    you: try to emphasize instant casts as to not take pushback, shadowfury once over, get some distance, kite

    you: dps, shadowflame

    warrior: charge

    you: teleport, dps, dps


    VS shaman


    enh:

    preferred pet: succubus

    basically same thing as warrior without charge, faceroll


    ele:

    prefered pet: felhunter

    shaman: dps, wind shear

    you: ( do not fear vs shaman) interrupt lava burst, dps

    shaman: dps, wind shear

    you: interrupt anything with shadowfury, dps



    VS priest

    shadow:

    prefered pet: succubus

    priest: instant dots, vampiric touch

    you: pet silence vampiric touch, shadow ward

    priest: fear, mind blast

    you: trinket, shadowfury

    priest: silence, dps

    you: healthstone, death coil

    priest: trinket, dps

    I would not teleport on this one unless you have no dots on you, you'd just be letting the priest get free dps off while you sit behind a wall


    VS hunter

    prefered pet: succubus

    hunter: silencing shot/ scatter shot

    you: pet seduce

    you: close distance, apply curse/ corruption at first as to not break seduce

    hunter: disengage, deterrence

    you: shadowfury, close distance, shadowflame, instant casts

    hunter: wyvern sting/ pet stun/ prep + silencing shot + deterrence

    you: death coil, fear, close distance, shadowflame

    you: only casting incinerate/ chaos bolt when stacked on the hunter. this goes for the whole fight


    this is too complicated of a fight to track accurately, but you get the idea




    VS death knight

    prefered pet: succubus
    many say to use felhunter but i find it much much better to use succubus here, dispelling diseases isnt very effective it seems


    death knight: chains of ice, close distance

    you: pet seduce, trinket chains, get enough distance so he wastes death grip, apply curse/ corruption, conflagrate

    death knight: death grip, chains of ice, probobly anti magic shield

    you: teleport, (again, must have this up and slightly distant from where you stand!) dps

    death knight: anti-magic zone, wait

    you: get distance

    death knight: chains of ice, close distance

    you: shadowfury, get distance, conflag maybe

    you: wait until he gets close again, death coil, dps



    VS mage

    this is a very fast complex fight, but heres how it goes in an ideal scenario, and mage armor screws over your conflagrate to no end

    prefered pet: felhunter

    mage: frostbolt rank 1, poly

    you: dispel via devour magic macro above, apply instant casts

    mage: freeze, deep freeze

    you: trinket OR dispel deep freeze (leftmost debuff should be dispelled, most recent), apply instant casts, silence frostbolt, cast immolate during small blanket silence from your pet

    you: try to dodge counterspell, get your pet to dispel the blanket silence

    you: superdps faceroll, shadowfury for inturrupt here and there
    mage: ice block

    you: casting fear, waiting for cancel of ice block
    you: reapply instant casts, soul fire

    usually this cycle will repeat several times, as both classes have trouble dps'ing eachother




    VS paladin

    ret:

    same thing as enh shaman and warrior, but with hand of justice and bubble





    VS druid


    moonkin:

    same thing as ele shaman, but with irritating HoTs and cyclone


    feral:

    prefered pet: voidwalker (cannot seduce a cat)

    druid: pounce

    you: voidwalker bubble, apply instant casts, shadowflame, teleport

    druid: feral charge

    you: death coil, get distance, instant casts, maybe fear, dps

    druid, powershift

    you, shadowfury once he gets near, maybe fear, get distance, dps



    VS warlock


    prefered pet: felhunter

    i cannot present a scenario for this one, as I'd be speaking for both opponents, and it would create some paradoxes, so heres some things to do in the fight

    pet silence his fear

    banish pet

    shadowfury to inturrupt

    fear

    death coil his fear

    teleport to LoS

    you MUST try to keep him from getting an immolate off, so only inturrupt fear and immolate

    the fight is basically about creating a lockdown, and keeping him from casting while you're blasting him




    VS healers

    all healers are about the same when it comes to duals,
    what you want to do is save all of your cooldowns, then time all your cooldowns for a lockdown only when they are less than/ equal to 35% health.

    this includes

    fear
    death coil
    pet silence their heal
    shadowfury
    conflagrate, to an extent (use it for the extra super burst when the end is nigh)

    also, keep in mind you can banish trees!





    PVP scenarios: Affliction


    i may more thoroughly cover this section later, but many can assure you destro is much better for the burst and utility, and easy conflagrate

    basically, if you get hit you're doing it wrong (this may even go for destro too)

    apply dots, and then you show the world the prowess of your LoS abilities
    teleport anytime you're being attacked and you also have your DoTs up
    instant fear to get distance and LoS more, silence the same things destro silences, use the same pets destro uses

    the #1 rule for affliction (and any other warlock, actually) is to keep your portal up and behind a wall at all times





    that concludes the tutorial, I'll probably edit the numerous errors and neglectfulness later and add pretty colors to it

    Yes, i did make all of this by my self, it was no trouble as i type 90 wpm

    leave a comment to tell me things to add
    leave a thank-you to let me know i didn't waste time!


    yes, I already know that many of you have a serious case of TL/DR


    Skrom- Warsong

  2. April 24, 2011
    useful guide, I like it. wouldn't complain if it got a sticky

  3. April 25, 2011
    Affliction rocks mane. Needs more Aff.
    nice guide.

  4. April 25, 2011
    yea its a good guide, should sticky this one.

  5. April 25, 2011
    Don't want to be too critic, but if you want to make a guide for duel you must go deeper, if you don't want it's better give only advice.
    for example:
    VS mage

    mage: poly
    this is a very bad start for a mage agains a lock with fel hunter (i alway laugh when they start in this way). I assume that you are interested in duel vs at least half brained guy.
    A better start is:
    frostbolt (rank1)
    poly

    now you will have 2 fake debuff and dispell poly is hard, if you fail (ad it is suppose to) mage has initiative.

    EDIT: you don't mentioned that magic stun can be dispelled, it's a huge advantage.

  6. April 25, 2011
    ah yes, thanks for the feedback, i shall add that now

    though i've always been successful with dispelling polymorph, since the most recent magic effect seems to get dispelled every time, or is it? perhaps it is a bug

  7. April 26, 2011
    It dispels randomly just like Dispel Magic and Cleanse. Deep Freeze can indeed be dispelled, but i wouldn't count on it, since you'll have a lot of debuffs by the time mage Deep Freezes you. It's easier to Trinket out of it.

  8. April 26, 2011
    Don't want to be too critic, but if you want to make a guide for duel you must go deeper, if you don't want it's better give only advice.
    for example:


    this is a very bad start for a mage agains a lock with fel hunter (i alway laugh when they start in this way). I assume that you are interested in duel vs at least half brained guy.
    A better start is:
    frostbolt (rank1)
    poly

    now you will have 2 fake debuff and dispell poly is hard, if you fail (ad it is suppose to) mage has initiative. <- IDK what this means.

    EDIT: you don't mentioned that magic stun can be dispelled, it's a huge advantage. <- Not sure, but i think he is referring to Deep Freeze.
    well usually against mage, lock will CoT, so if be begins with frostbolt rank 1 - should be enough time to spell-lock him. If he is a frost mage, he will just be a sitting duck. If he is arcane, he will cast slow, devour the slow, spell lock-> nuke.

    if you are a succubus user, just wait to get polymorphed & then seduce the mage, both will be Cced :P

  9. April 27, 2011
    2 questions:

    1. Why the rogue you said in the destro scenario dont use all of his CD, but only 1-2, giving you the win?!
    2. Why after the charge of the warrior, when you teleport he is not Intercepting you but rather he is walking like a zombie to you, to give you a chance to kill him?!

    Rogue with the same gear as you and skillz like yours will Rape you for less than 30 sec!
    Fury Warrior with same gear as you will Rape you for lets say 30-40 sec!
    Protection Warrior will Rape you without even damaging him!
    Every shaman with brain will kill you without problems!
    You cant kill Healers, at all .... they should be with 1/2 brain to die from a DPS that has not Heal reduce!
    As they said mage who start with Poly instead with some spell that will add and debuff on you (to prevent dispelling of the poly that will follow that spell) is not a mage but ******!

    As general is good someone to make a guide for PvP, BUT when you start making guide, post all of the possible scenarios will all specs and classes ... you just posted the obviuos things that every self respecting Warlock will do. Thats not a guide, its a Story for a warlocks fights! I am sorry but thats the pure Truth!

  10. April 27, 2011
    Rogue with the same gear as you and skillz like yours will Rape you for less than 30 sec!
    Fury Warrior with same gear as you will Rape you for lets say 30-40 sec!
    Protection Warrior will Rape you without even damaging him!
    Every shaman with brain will kill you without problems!
    so you're sayin when we encounter those classes we should just sit on the ground and let them rape us cause we stand no chance anyway? -__-' srsly....

  11. April 27, 2011
    2 questions:
    Every shaman with brain will kill you without problems!
    I play both affli & destro, I haven't found any shammy who can kill a destro lock
    about fury warriors & prot warriors - just watch the spell reflects, and you will be able to down them easy (Fury : recommended to port when they do whirlwind)
    About rogues : they are the lock's anti-class - so that i can agree, a good rogue can counter every move a good lock makes

  12. April 28, 2011
    I didnt say stay at 1 place and die when you see these classes! I said that skilled players who plays these classes will rape you, nothing more! Everything depends on the skillz and the gear of the enemy against you.
    Now about the protection warriors. Even if you watch about Spell Reflect, he can shield bash you, to give himself a time so Spell Reflect is up again! He can Stun/Silence you, after every Spell Reflect you ruin! Also if something happens, he can use Shield Wall and such spellz to minimize your DMG on him till his other CDs are back. I am not telling you that you must surender, but if the warrior knows what he is doing he will kill you slow and steady! If he starts rushing at you to kill you, thats you chance to kill him. Rushing always leads to mistakes, Pure Truth and you will get the advantage in the Fight!

    Dont forget than you are both playing WoW and he is not an NPC, he is player with brain, so dont start talking only from your side :D. Think abit about what he will do when you do this or that!

  13. April 28, 2011
    look, i've beaten many respected players that would normally counter warlocks using these techniques, while naked.
    granted i did in fact miss alot; i could write paragraphs on each one of these fights, and thats just what i might have to do, but i also wrote all of this in one sitting and so its easy to miss alot
    i'll edit in some more detail soon
    it is true that every warlock should do this, but there is certainly a great deal of people out there who do not know how to do this, and teaching them is the entire goal of a guide, no?
    you could even say that every warlock should do all the things in every guide that exists, but if they did, would there be a purpose for these guides?

  14. April 28, 2011
    2 questions:



    Rogue with the same gear as you and skillz like yours will Rape you for less than 30 sec!
    Fury Warrior with same gear as you will Rape you for lets say 30-40 sec!
    Protection Warrior will Rape you without even damaging him!
    Every shaman with brain will kill you without problems!
    You cant kill Healers, at all .... they should be with 1/2 brain to die from a DPS that has not Heal reduce! !
    oh yes you know what you're talking about
    damn internet sarcasm is so hard

  15. April 28, 2011

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