At least the current "win trading" as it's being called by some incentivises active players in the BGs...the old bridge fight resulted in half of each team AFKing and botting to avoid AFK to get the free HKs from the dozen or so people who actually contributed.
Sure, this current meta developed in the last few days still has some AFK'rs and Leachers, but they're usually only a handful of them on each side now...not the 15-20 we were seeing pretty consistently last week.
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The current situation is absolutely awful.
Every AV in past 2 days is 20-30 people from each side running onto enemy side of the bridge and waiting to be killed (most often without any fighting, just standing on mount to be killed). And this goes for hours.
The rest 10-15 players are afk and 2-5 people don't die on purpose and try to force some pvp but it doesn't change anything and most often they are just ignored by the enemy team which keeps running to enemy side to die on mount.
This is pure win(kill)-trading requiring absolutely no fighting. And you still feel like a wintrader even if you don't participate, but wtf are you supposed to do as this goes on every AV for sevaral days? Quit game? P.S. would be fun if HKs for past week get reset like it was with AV-reputation :) Or even better everyone gets banned (me included even though i dont participate).
AB - no queues.
WSG - didn't play much lately, but from a few i played - scarce queues, people seemed to try to win but games were one-sided with loosing teams just leaving which means games are boring, maybe the situation will improve a bit once people finish ranking and start playing WSG more for fun, but who knows.
And there's little sensible that can be done with at this point.
The best idea i saw so far was to make ranking honor based converting current HKs into honor (something like clear all current honor and add honor=0.1*CurrrentHKs).
But that would then need to be changed back to HKs once the realm progresses into TBC and the new system probably requires some new development from technical point of view.
That should give the incentive to win bgs, but it won't solve the afk problem.
For pvp players who enjoy arenas - if we are lucky - maybe it will become available with good queues (and then the BGs will kind of serve mostly gearing part like they do in tbc and wotlk)
Come support "add arenas suggestion" https://forum.warmane.com/showthread.php?t=463219
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Wintrading: Arranged battles in order to profit of its prizes is highly forbidden leading to bans.
Horde in mercenary mode arranging to trade kills to profit gear = definition of wintrading according to warmane code of conduct.
Disable mercenary mode or ban anyone spamming chat to organize kill trading.
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mercenary mode has not really that much to do with it. the trade happens naturally and the vast majority of participants don't communicate with anyone on the other team. it is hardly arranged because even if one person of one team communicates with one on the other, none of them have any more power to execute their plans than the other 39 players in their respective teams. the teams are random and not premade (at least i haven't seen a premade av yet) and all that has to happen is for one team to start sacrificing. if the other team returns the favor, the farm is on. if not, it's probably back to the bridge farm which is not that much different. summa summarum, disabling mercenary mode won't change the meta.
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Everybody agreeing that cheating to get gear is faster doesnt make it not cheating. Besides that, it ruined the game. It's not 40 people agreeing to it, every game part of the team is complaining and reporting anyone who wont feed. Anybody that joins any AV to actually kill horde instead of just feeding and getting fed is harrased by the people angry they want gear faster.
Youre right nothing is going to change the meta unless warmane steps in to curve the bad behavior, but every single person participating knows it is wrong. Theyre acting willfully ignorant because they want gear faster and easier.
Bans probably not the right answer, and disabling merc mode would hurt a large portion of the population, but something needs to be done to stop the win trading feed meta.
Its easy gear and thats the only reason anyone is doing it.
Petition to remove the rank requirement or change the system, but dont just start cheating because its easier.
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That's not the definition of wintrading. Wintrading is... trading wins. It's intentionally losing a match with the expectation that the other side will intentionally lose the next one.
Wintrading is banned on Warmane's other servers, but not HK farming or HK trading, which is something else entirely. Words matter.
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It's not cheating as no rules are being broken. If you want "real" pvp, play one of the other BGs where people aren't doing this.
You're now trying to bring in some kind of moral position into people optimizing a poorly designed system and say that optimization is wrong/bad/cheating because you think it's less morally correct than trying to win the match objectively. If actually winning meant something, you may have a point but there's zero benefit to winning. You're out of the match and stuck waiting 30 mins for the next one. It makes significantly more sense to stay in the match and keep killing the other team because the ONLY thing that matters is HKs.
Again, it's not cheating because no rules are being broken. You just don't like it. That doesn't make it cheating, though.
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if warmane doesnt want wintrading they shouldnt have given us a ranking system that literally promotes wintrading
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In the context of Alterac Valley discussions in World of Warcraft, the prevailing sentiment is that the honor system is flawed. Ranking relies on Honor Kills rather than Honor Points, rendering the latter essentially meaningless. This situation has led to an environment where the primary motivation for participation is win trading, exacerbating the problem. To address this, there have been suggestions from engaged community members advocating for a comprehensive solution. One proposal is the consideration of a full week rollback on PvP, if feasible. Alternatively, there is a call for the implementation of viable solutions proposed by invested players. Currently, the absence of meaningful incentives for PvP, coupled with the insignificance of honor points, is a cause for concern among the player base.
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you cannot rollback this whatsoever. The only thing you can do at this point is have objectives/wins rewards significant amount of HKs and reduce HK cap per player to 20ish per BG.
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They rerolled reputation for everyone even people that never touched the bugged quest and removed items and quest completion that was unrelated to the bugged quest. I see no reason they "cant" do it in this situation. thousands of players participated in abusive behavior to get rewards through an exploit.
All the time you spent exploiting the system to cheat for gear was not spent actually earning the gear or kills, theres no reason you anyone should keep the progress. If you really didnt want to lose the time you really shouldnt have participated in obviously abusive behavior.
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you have no clue what a "afk'r" really is if you count that many as afk. because without those mages holding the line you wouldnt get any hk's to begin with.
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Now some players are reporting for afking those, who wont rush to another side of the bridge and just trade hks.
So now even those with top dmg/healing will get flagged for afk multiple time middle of thefightnif enough toxic players decide to report them.
If that isn't "disrubting gameplay" i don't know what is.
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The amount of people attempting to justify blatantly breaking the rules in here just because they don't like the system is staggering.
Just because you don't like the ruleset doesn't mean you can do whatever you want.
Obviously it's not win trading, but it is "Honor Exploiting" as clearly stated in the rules.
If Warmane lets this kind of behaviour slide they lose all authority attached to the rules and people will keep breaking them in the future.
Banning people is obviously a step too far, because it's hard to judge who has been breaking the rules down to an individual level and that has long term affects on account standings.
A blanket HK rollback sounds like a fair way to deal with it, since everyone participating has been benefiting regardless of how involved they've been in the rule breaking. But no matter what they decide, they have to do something.
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i am not so sure about that because it is not done to get honor and intent matters. the rules simply do not say anything about hk trading:
"Honor Exploit: Allowing someone to kill you or let you kill his/her toon to get Honor points in locations where it can be done fast and deliberately is not allowed."
sure, if we set hk=honor it's a violation of the rules, but hk isn't the same as honor. honor functions as a currency while hk don't.
