You implied it.
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You implied it.
You still fail to understand what I actually mean in my previous post, or the ones [1,2] I made before it. Considering your extremely poor communication skills and eloquence, probably you will never understand them. I will not lower myself to answer any of your pitiful insults/false remarks or to try to educate you any further, as it is clear to me now that you are a hopeless case. In the end, you just continue embarrassing yourself by being as pathetic as you are. Cheers!
I certainly did not. In first example a person votes for 2 or 3 (the numbers are irrelevant (it may be 1 or even 6))* items to become BiS. In second example a person is 2 or 3 (*) items away from BiS.
I agree with you, I know the tactics and my rotation from ICC 10 normal to 25 HC, but after the wipe I just simply don't have the gear to be able to do ICC at all.
Let me point out where you implied it. (sorry to scrub to know how to multi quote) I got rid of the irrelevant information.
In First example I derped that is my bad
However, in the 2nd example. Of creating 2 characters and plays 1 he becomes full BiS with char 1. Then he levels a 2nd then becomes 2-3 is implying he used vote points to get the 2nd char fully geared. Minus a couple pieces. Again which would be around 1.2 to 1.4 ish years just from voting.
Overall terrible. Of course I might be looking at it differently.
But still why would you care how someone obtains their gear? How does that really bother you? If you feel they shouldn't that is fine. But really don't speak for anyone but yourself. But say the change does happen then just make your runs require achievements. Still enough time has passed to be geared up. Considering Wrath was a 2 year ish expansion and if it would take people 2 years then how the hell would they be geared up fully? I mean people had alts and gotten gear faster at that time. Let's be real. Let people spend VP on what they want. So why bother being a hypocrite if we could buy that kind of gear with Coins yet not allow it to be bought via VP?
That rant isn't meant just for you, it's for everyone who is against it.
we rly dc what gear and how long it should take to get this gear when the shop is coming up thats what most ppl care
I am not sure if i am doing something wrong but for points i can no longer can get items in the shop is this correct? The option just isn't showing for me anymore.
Oh, right. I forgot, that PvP requires a skill (unlike pve, which only requires average IQ level and some gear), so it's mostly "Pay to Win" in that case. So if rele/wraths would be availible in Vote Shop, 80% of donators wouldn't be able to pass 1500 rating level due to similar grear level.
Bags won't be coming back. Kaer wasn't all sparkles and sunshine when he found out they had been included in the Marketplace. Those are craftable items that people should be ether crafting or buying from crafters, not getting for free with pointless points. Crafting should mean more than just some Mastery bonus.
The definition of donation is only one. Your intention when you donate is irrelevant. If we wanted to get money we would do much better by having lots of things for sale at lower prices instead of increasingly restricting what you can get without playing.
Thank you. The amount of people complaining because the completely free points they get to trade for completely free gear to be used in our completely free servers are receiving changes and/or aren't up yet is astounding. Edifice is even up to listening to opinions to tweak things a bit (which, guess what: delays the release) but most of what there is to be found here is plain complaining because this or that can or can't be done anymore, from people who don't even seem to take the time to understand the proposed changes fully.
Lastly, the back-and-forth insulting ends now, be it poorly written or eloquent, be it ending voluntarily or not.
I see your point and and i'm fine with it, because everyone has an opinion and i only expressed mine. You can have yours but please don't call mine overall terrible, if you don't like it, because it's just an opinion as i already said.
Because that doesn't seem fair to me. Just as it wouldn't seem fair to see 50% of the server with ashes of al'ar, or with shadowmourne. You can't say you'd be ok if they decide to put sm for VP. It just kills the feeling. But still, someone would care, someone would not. I care, you don't care.
Lets say majority raids TOC for Death's Verdict. I'm speaking about melee classes and hunters ofc. So why would they bother raiding TOC, if it doesn't really drop anything that they could use, because simply they can vote for Death's Verdict or better trinkets and just focus their raiding on ICC. It can bother me in a sense that it would take much longer time for me to create a group for TOC. :D That's one example.
The other example includes PVP. Person 1 votes for 271 weapon and rekts person 2 with furious wep. Idk, you may think that's a terrible example, cause there are lots of ppl already with good weapons. But with this option there could be even more, which makes me feel left behind, if i don't want to vote for better weapon.
I never speak for others, if they already didn't express they opinion. Going through the pages of this post i concluded that majority feels somewhat the same. Idk, maybe i'm wrong. If that's the case, i apologize.
In the end. You and i have different opinions, and should prolly leave it as it is. :)
It will release sometime between 1st september and 15th september
Just going to respond to each point in their own sections.
1. When I said terrible I was referring to your examples not your ideas. Cause they could had been worded better. I should had worded that better when I stated it so that is on me.
2. Ok for your example of using shadowmourne. It would actually make things more balanced if it was. As I see it why should it be ok for a donator to buy it yet people can't buy similar items with VP? I mean if it was really a problem for the raiding scene only start asking for achievements. Simple as that. It wouldn't bother me if everyone had a fair chance to get gear in alternate ways. However with shadowmourne I doubt anything like that would happen.
3. I am sure there are people out there like me (sadly don't have a character at 80 yet on Wrath or any character that is really geared for raids on any realm) that will actually help out on getting your gear even if there was nothing there for them. I mean that is just me I like helping people when I can if I can. Now with your 2nd example the same argument can be about shadowmourne against people who can't or don't use it who is unable to get it. They would be at a disadvantage.
4. Well there is a lot of people in the thread who just looked down on this change simply cause they got their gear the hard way and can't accept or really think about how good this change can really be. I'm not saying you can't have the same opinion but rather you use logic and common sense then decide for yourself.
In the end we do have different opinions. My mind works far differently than other people hence I end up butting heads with people quite a bit. But as I said that whole rant wasn't just towards you.
Ok, i can continue the debate, but i think we would just go in a circle. :D Anyways, i will probably play only on Lord. Cheers!