hahahHAHAHAHA LMAO WTF
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Yup. i 'm the guy who dies in the flames @ marrowgar
funny how everythread is trolled by the same guys every time
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it's fair since everyone has the same chance of rolling the highest and winning the loot. nothing else gets taking into consideation. it's pure and simple luck.
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Luck is fair in the sense that everyone has the chance to snag an item, which, let's face it, is blizz-like. It's how the game was made to be. Where Luck falls off is, the gamble aspect. You can do 100 raids, and literally get nothing. Your progression could be halted based on your luck, and alot of people can see that and are rather terrified of such an outcome. Yes, if a person who already has the item and rolls for it, CAN offer it to you, but I'm sure it will still come at a cost to you. (Unless that player just really doesn't care about having their time wasted)
Another issue with rolling would be the fact that new players could be joining these raids and those new players could be constantly out roling you to get that one item you're fighting for. This can go on forever based on your luck, unless there's some rule instated that it's YOUR item before the raid begins.
Ironically, it's not very "progressive" to roll. Now, I respect your decision to defend this, it's fine, but gambling your chances away is not a very LIKED perspective. People like to work and EARN, because that's how we are programmed, and it's been proven to be a "safe" route to take when considering new ownership of personal property. You're not wrong, you just prefer to take that risk to get ahead.
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It's incredible how many people are so ignorant and don't know how statistics and probability work. Spend less time working for your DKP slave master ingame and study more maths.
It doesn't matter if your are lucky or unlucky with rolls, in the end everyone will get their item, with the same fair chance of winning it. Saying that you will never win an item by roll is stupid, it's like saying that a certain item will never drop from a boss, which of course, it's not true. With each roll you have like 10-30% chance of winning, which is huge, and the more you raid, the more your chance to win will raise, until you get your item, probably way earlier than with DKP.
I don't see how a person having done 20 more raids before the current one should be my problem. Those are separate episodes, which bring and add nothing to the current raid.
Everyone in the current raid is wasting hours of their own time, and should be rewarded with a fair chance of winning something. Otherwise, with DKP it's just slavery and piramid scheme. And agreeing to do that in a videogame is just sad and pathetic. But to each their own I guess.
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Wind of Northrend
We got an absolute mad lad here boizzz, "Skuddy the Forum Mad Lad" because he can and does not care what you think!
Petition to give this man the title he deserves!
I guess we should all just go and buy lottery tickets, because everyone has an equal chance of becoming a millionaire, and eventually we all will!
Oh, also, if there is a storm out there, I should not get outside, because I can get struck by lightning and die, we all can, no?
We can also just go gamble, throw some dice, everyone has an equal chance of winning A LOT of money, am I rite?
You got unlucky 10 times in a row?
No worries mate, its going to get better from now on because laws of probability work that way, eventually things have to happen.
10 more unlucky streaks?
No worries mate, you should definitely get it now in the next 10 attempts.
Missed 10 times again?
Its yours now for sure!
Farming that ZG Raptor for years?
No worries mate, you will get it the next run, a guild mate of mine got it on his first ever clear.
As someone said already, general population does not want to deal with RNG if they dont have to.
Rolling is RNG on RNG (getting lucky with a big number after getting lucky with an item actually dropping), and someone might want to remove 1 of those and add a system that rewards players who show up rather than those who dont.
Someone with a working brain might see why is that appealing.
And I might be wrong here but, there might be a higher chance for you to win/get an item in a system like DKP rather than in a system that has /roll in it.
Also, in a DKP system where you bid, people dont value items the same way, so, someone who values item A more, will bid more and will win the item sooner than someone who values item B more than item A.
Its funny how after all these years of playing on both Molten and Warmane, a LOT of different DKP systems, I never once tought roll was a better option.
I was all from officer, core, member, casual and a trial at one point in time.
Can someone who is good with math tell me why after (300) rolls I got (100) 3 times, (1) only 2 times and (3) 6 times for some reason?
https://imgur.com/a/l0QCjB3
What are the chances for that to happen?
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What "maths" are you talking about here? /roll somehow teleports you to some rainbow land where there are no losers? Like 3 peoeple rolling for DBW, one wins and other 2.. lose. Every week more people lose than win. Probability says that you have 90%-70% to lose, your own words. You realize how dim this sounds, but I guess to each his own.
Person in a guild did 20 raids before you, a circle of friends raiding together, then you - an outsider with a potential come and start to pump your paranoia slavery crap. Bye. Whisper me when you get even 1 char to BiS with /roll at 30% chance to get an item. It will take longer than Warmane has existed probably.
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if there were only 10/25 people buying lottery tickets you would indeed eventually win it. weather you lived long enough to see it would be a different matter.
i don't recall saying you'd get an item faster in a /roll system. i said it was fair to everyone.
i also don't recall saying i was mad. unless you meant mad as in crazy. that's debatable.Edited: September 22, 2020
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Wind of Northrend
It is NOT, and never will be, fair to those who put in more time and effort in the game/guild.
Weather you lived long enough to realise it would be a different matter.
Imagine rolling with 6 guild mates every week for DBW, getting ducked by RNG each week, and as it drops for the 6th time, everyone else has it by now except you, a new member, aka TRIAL appears, rolls more than you, gets DBW and leaves the guild next day.
I legit wish this happens to everyone who says rolling is better than DKP and that trials should have the right to roll on everything instantly the first day they join the guild run. :D
Haha, imagine this also, you work so hard in the company while others, lets say 9 of them, just tag along and get carried by you, doing minimum amount of effort, normally you would get A LOT more money than they would, but, the boss comes day before pay check and says:
"Ok, this month we roll the dice for the amount of money you get payed, GO!"
Would you do it?
Of course not.
You work your *** off, and put in extra effort and time to be rewarded.
And that is DKP system.
And that is fair.
I think I am done here because at this point it feels like talking to a socialist on why that thing wont ever work.
Reasons... BUT MAH FEELINGS?!?
Best of luck.
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sure it's fair. you were at more raids so you had more chances at winning said loot. you just had **** luck.
how things work in rl have nothing to do with how they work in a GAME.
bye.
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You realize that part of that percent is 0%, right? you realize that you have to consider the people you're raiding with, also, CONSTANTLY, want that item, right? Do the maths, brickhead, you're gambling, and there's always a chance you won't get a damn thing.
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didn't you said that luck is completely fair? Well guess what
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
tell that to kids that are not so fortunate like us (and yes you coz you got time to comment here like everybody else) to enjoy good life,
of course luck is fair, who doesn't love luck when it goes for you,
you know without veterans and dedicated players that put in the work you wouldnt be able to /roll on most items from icc, simply put because pugs sucks..
also, reality is one, your opinion is another, same thing works in real world same thing works in this game, those who work harder and smarter and dedicate themselves reach somewhere, and the rest of.. freeloaders :D get nowhere,
enjoy your /roll , i stay in my boat with dkp and other system that rewards hardwork, ITS MERITOCRACY MY FRIEND, simple, 90% of the is fair, no system is perfect, but roll is just ughh
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yet another person who can't comprehend that real life situations are different than ingame.
everyone in the guild would get to roll on items eventually as things progress and they down more bosses. roll simply ignores meaningless things like how many raids you attended prior to this one.
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I bet most who say its a **** system have **** 5k toons since 2015...
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Have you been in a guild that uses DKP system properly, lets say killed LOD every week for some 2 months? Or maybe started/joined a guild that used DKP, progressed from 0 to LOD farm?
Sounds to me like none of these dudes know how it works. Then they say "it doesnt work like in real life", man, it works exactly like that to a letter. Hmm, actually you are right, old people already have all the stuff so you will get items for free or fight for loot with new members just like yourself.
