1. [Guide] PVE Assassination rogue

    I'm Oneliner from Deathwing.

    BIS Assassination GEAR: http://armory.warmane.com/character/...ecrown/summary
    More Assa gears:
    http://armory.warmane.com/character/...ecrown/summary SCREENSHOT https://imgur.com/TTISVmc
    Poisons
    Mainhand(1.8 dagger): http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=43231
    Offhand(1.4 dagger): http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=43232
    Main dps comes from the poisons. It's a must to get hit cap first for the poisons.

    There is an 17% chance for a spell attack to miss a level 83 Boss.
    (Poisons are regarded as spells!)
    Your hit cap is 315.
    If you wanna read more about rogue caps then click here.

    Stat priority
    1. Hit [315]
    2. Expertise [26/26]
    3. Haste [4k AP>Haste] Haste will become useful when you get to have over 4,000 AP.
    4. Crit [Critical Strike Rating not Agility]

    Stats Conversion
    Rating Conversion to 1%
    Expertise 32.78998947
    Hit 32.78998947
    Spell Hit 26.23199272
    Critical Strike 45.90598679
    Haste 32.78998947
    Armor Penetration 13.99572719
    Agi to Crit 83.33333333


    Items
    Try to avoid armor penetration. Your main dps comes from poisons which are spells. Get trinkets with haste bonus. Items with bonuses like this http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47272 are the best and items with bonuses like this http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50264 are the worst.

    Talents

    Assassination (51 points)

    Tier 1

    Malice (5/5) – Increases your Critical Strike chance by 5% (1 per point). This is a very powerful talent to be in a first tier, and that’s why this isn’t skipped by any Rogue, regardless of Spec.

    Tier 2

    Ruthlessness (3/3) – Gives your melee finishing moves a 60% chance to add a combat point to your target. Assassination rogues rely on fast generation of combo points rather than pure energy regen like Combat.

    Puncturing Wounds (3/3) – Increases the critical strike chance of your backstab ability by 30% and the critical strike chance of your Mutilate ability by 15%. We’re taking this solely for the Mutilate crit.

    Tier 3

    Lethality (5/5) – Increases the critical strike damage bonus of all combo moves by 30%. This won’t improve our white DPS, but 30% on Mutilate is too huge to ignore.

    Tier 4

    Vile Poisons (3/3) – Increases the damage dealt by your poisons and Envenom ability by 20% and gives your poisons an additional 30% chance to resist dispel effects. As an Assassination Rogue, we’re always going to have poisons on both weapons (really, all rogues should), and Envenom is our main finishing move, as it will refresh Slice and Dice with a talent we’re taking later. Buffing the damage of both is a must.

    Improved Poisons (5/5) – Increases the chance to apply Instant and Deadly Poison to your targets by 10%. We’re going to be using both of these poisons at all times. Poisoned targets take more damage from Mutilate, the poisons themselves, and it’s necessary to use Envenom.

    Tier 5

    Cold Blood (1/1) – When activated, increases the critical strike chance of your next offensive ability by 100%. A guaranteed crit. Take it and use it as often as possible. I tend to save mine for 5 combo point envenoms, which can crit for 15k+.

    Fleet Footed (2/2) – Reduces the duration of all movement impairing abilities by 30% and increases movement speed by 15%. This does not stack with other movement speed increasing effects. Reducing the amount of time that you spend moving from target to target will increase your overall DPS. You can also get this from the foot enchant Tuskar’s Vitality. If you go that route, take these two points and place them elsewhere in the tree.

    Tier 6

    Seal Fate (5/5) – Your critical strikes from abilities that add combo points have a 100% chance to add an additional combo point(20% chance per point). Between talents, buffs and abilities, Mutilate is going to crit a fair number of times, so we’re taking this for much faster combo point generation.

    Murder (2/2) – Increases all damage caused against Humanoid, Giant, Beast, and Dragonkin targets by 4% (2% per point). Unfortunately this doesn’t increase damage against undead, but we still see these types of mobs a lot in Wrath, so you’ll still get that 4% increase a fair amount of the time.

    Tier 7

    Overkill (1/1) – While stealthed and for 20 seconds after breaking stealth, you regenerate 30% more energy. As Combat, it makes sense to run around outside of stealth to start rotations, as opening with Sinister Strike is often the most efficient way to start combat. However, with this talent, it makes sense to open from Stealth whenever possible. This basically functions as a weaker version of Combat’s Adrenaline Rush. When killing trash, it’s generally available on every pull, and on bosses, you can use Vanish offensively to activate it multiple times in a fight.

    Tier 8

    Focused Attacks (3/3) – Your Melee critical strikes have a 100% chance to give you 2 Energy. You crit with your white hits more often than you think. This provides a much needed infusion of extra energy.

    Find Weakness (3/3) – Offensive ability damage increased by 6%. This ability is a flat 6% increase on all damage abilities you use, so you should definitely take it.

    Tier 9

    Mutilate (1/1) – Instantly attacks with both weapons for and additional 181 with each weapon. Damage is increased by 20% against poisoned targets. Awards 2 combo points. You can’t be a true Assassination Rogue without taking this talent, as the tree is really built around it now. True it is expensive at 60 energy (unglyphed), but it does massive damage and awards 2 combo points (3 if it crits).

    Master Poisoner (3/3) – Increases the critical hit chance of all attacks made against any target you have poisoned by 3%, reduces the duration of all poison effects applied to you by 50% and increases the bonus chance to apply Deadly Poison when Envenom is used by 45%. The raid wide critical buff is nice, but a ret paladin will also provide the same buff. The poison duration reduction is also nice but we’re taking this for the increased chance to apply deadly poison. Having this talent will pretty much guarantee that you have 5 stacks up almost all the time. If you do roll with a Ret Paladin and want to take Turn the tables on the other side of this tier, that’s cool too.

    Tier 10

    Cut to the Chase (5/5) – Your Eviscerate and envenom abilities have a 100% chance to refresh your Slice and Dice to its 5 combo point maximum. This was one of the best improvements that Assassination got in Wrath. If you Envenom with 1 combo point, it not only does the Envenom damage, but you’ve just hit a 5 combo point Slice and Dice as well. The only caveat is that Slice and Dice must already be up first.

    Tier 11

    Hunger for Blood (1/1) – Enrages you, increasing all damage caused by 5%. Requires a bleed effect to be active on the target. Lasts 1 minute. We’ll be using Garrote and Rupture if needed, so there’s your bleed effect. This buff should be kept up at all times.
    Regarding reapplying Hunger for Blood, it is worth mentioning that MM hunter crits will also proc a bleed that can be used for that purpose.
    Combat (13)

    Dual Wield Specialization (5/5) – Increases the damage done by your offhand weapon by 50%. This is a buff to offhand damage, which includes the offhand damage from Mutilate. We’re taking it mainly to get deeper into the tree; plus, it’s a prereq for Close Quarters Combat.

    Precision (5/5) – Increases your chance to hit with weapon and poison attacks by 5%. The hit penalty for dual wielding is simply too high for any PvE Rogue build to skip this talent.

    Close Quarters Combat (5/5) – Increases your chance to get a critical strike with Daggers and Fist Weapons by 5%. because you’re using two daggers, you’ll get 5% extra crit on all direct damage you do.

    Lightning Reflexes (3/3) Increases your Dodge chance by 6% and gives you 10% melee haste. The dodge is nice, but we’re mainly taking this for the haste buff. This will cause your Deadly Poison to proc more often, which will in turn increase your Instant Poison procs. Additionally, this means more white damage, and more Energy from Focused Attacks.

    Subtlety (7)

    Relentless Strikes (2/5) – Your finishing moves have a 8% per combo point to restore 25 Energy. A 40% chance to get free energy every time you use a 5 point finisher and a 32% chance with a 4 point finisher.

    If you're under 4,500 gs you would like to use these talents...

    Glyphs
    1. http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45768
    2. http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45761
    3. http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45767 with t10 2 set bonus
    or http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45766 without t10. Both glpyhs are optional if you wish to have more aoe dmg the get Fan of Knives.

    Gems
    Meta http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=41398
    Yellow http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40128
    Red http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40159 if you're under 4k AP then gem red sockets with http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40114
    Blue http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40169 only when the socket bonus is with agility.
    T9 geared rogues will benefit more from full AP gemming, and as they gain gear from ICC, Haste overcomes AP in EP and becomes the best stat. Why? Haste EP's improves as your AP increases. Therefore, once you're decked out in T10, you will benefit the most from mixing AP gems with Haste. AGI vs AP? The reason why you should never gem agility is because 1 agility equals to 1 AP, 0.012% Crit, and 0.024% dodge. It gives a little crit bonus (works on yellow and white hits, does not affect poisons) but it surely is not better than AP gem because poisons benefit from AP and Critical Strike Rating only.
    At high gear levels, it is possible to run into crit cap issues - sometimes quite severely. Hence, it is not uncommon to need some hit both on gear and in sockets to mitigate this problem. This also makes crit (and to a lesser extent, agi) somewhat less desirable as a stat (as it means you need to socket more hit to cover it).


    Professions
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=51306
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=51311

    Enchants
    Head: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=44149
    Shoulder: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50335
    Back: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=44472
    Chest: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=44489
    Wrist: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=44484
    Hands: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=54999
    Legs: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=38374
    Feet: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=44490 if you're not hit caped then http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=38986
    Mainhand: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=44492 or if you're with +6,5k gs then http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=43987
    Offhand: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=44492

    Race
    1. Troll http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=26297
    2. Night elf http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=58984 http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40211 goes on cd.
    3. Blood elf http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=25046

    Food
    1. http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=44331 or http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=46377
    2. http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=42942

    Enough of the build up....

    This class is pretty awesome to play but pretty expensive if you want to get your dps to the top. It's because you need a lot of http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40211 .

    3 things you must know before reading the rotation section :P
    1. You need to keep up your http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=63848 (HFB) all the time(8% dps increase).
    2. Keep up the http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=6774 (SND). This part is easy because every time you cast http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=57993 your SND gets instantly back to maximum buff time which means you only need to apply this buff once at the start and never use it again when you're in combat. This awesome thing comes from your talent tree called as http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=51669 .
    3. Try to time your http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=57993 . Don't spam it. Use this only when the last one runs out. Use http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=57993 only with 4 or 5 combo points.

    Rotation
    Close or hide recount for the fight! Less stress, more fun. It's huge distraction (For example imagine yourself watching the recount, seeing you're first with big numbers. But one moment you're dropping down like to 6th place. From that moment you might start focusing more on recount than on your rotation. You might get discouraged and you might start to make mistakes).
    Keep your eye on cooldowns, combo points and never let the energy to the maximum.


    When there's no warrior or druid in your party/raid then you have to use http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=48676 and http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=48672 to apply http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=63848 (works only with bleed effect).

    I'll use seconds for timing the skills you'll have to use for the best rotation there is.

    -2 seconds

    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40211
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=1787

    0 seconds

    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=63848
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=48666
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=6774

    2 seconds

    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=48666 use it twice if needed to get 4 or 5 combo points
    Because you have all your trinkets and abilities on proc at start. You're with highest ap at start always.
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=57993
    This is basicly all what you do from start to the end of the fight.

    60 seconds

    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=63848
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40211
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=26888

    120 seconds

    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=63848
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40211
    Night elf can use http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=58984 here.

    Without warrior or feral kitty
    Spoiler: Show


    Lists are starting with BiS
    Trinkets
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50706
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=54590
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50355
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45609
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=48722
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=43573
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40531
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=39229
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40685

    Head
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50713
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=51866
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=48235
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50206
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=46125
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40329
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=39399

    Neck
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50633
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47060
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=54557
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50421
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50452
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45480
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=46008
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50228
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40065

    Shoulder
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50646
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=51254
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=48049
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=49785
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40305


    Back
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50653
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47418
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45461
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40403
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40721
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=43566

    Chest
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50656
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=48233
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47000
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=51923
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=49841
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=46123
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40277
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=39386

    Wrist
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=54580
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=51783
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47313
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45108
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=39765
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45611
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47582
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40186
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=37853
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40738

    Hands
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=51251
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=48234
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40541
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45838
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50021
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45312
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40362
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=37409

    Waist
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50707
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47112
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=51925
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50995
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45491
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=49806
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45709
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40260
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40205
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=37714

    Legs
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=51253
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=51889
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=46975
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50269
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45846
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40333
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=37644

    Feet
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50607
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=49895
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45162
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47445
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45302
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40243
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40748
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47992
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=44297

    Ring
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=54576
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50402
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50604
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=51843
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47443
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=48954
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45303

    Mainhand
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50736
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50676
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=51846
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47461
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45607
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50203
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=49789

    Offhand
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50621
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=51868
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47416
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=48010
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45484
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47676
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=49807

    Thrown
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50733
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50474
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=51880
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50169

    (If I missed anything from this list or something is wrong then let me know:P)

    Lordaeon BIS list

    BiS List for Assassination Rogue T7: Engineering/JC

    Main Hand - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=39714
    Off Hand - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=39714
    Ranged - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40385
    Head - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40499
    Neck - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=44664
    Shoulder - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40502
    Back - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40403
    Chest - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40495
    Wrist - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=39765
    Hands - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40541
    Waist - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40260
    Legs - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40500
    Feet - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40243 alliance/ http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=39701 horde
    Ring 1 - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40474
    Ring 2 - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40074
    Trinket 1 - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40431
    Trinket 2 - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=44253

    Trinket 3- http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40531 really good on some fights as well, but you need to regem or carry with you 2 parts of the same gear with ap instead of exp gems. (os +3d ->)


    gem 20 agi in all free slots,32 ap if you cant afford. JC-2expertise 1ap JC gems alliance/3exp gems as horde

    T8 Pre-Hardmode Assassination Bis List: Engineering/JC

    Main Hand - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45605
    Off Hand - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45246
    Ranged - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45327
    Head - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45893
    Neck - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=44664
    Shoulder - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=46127
    Back - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40403
    Chest - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40539
    Wrist - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45108
    Hands - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=46124
    Waist - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45555
    Legs - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=46291
    Feet - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45564
    Ring 1 - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45503
    Ring 2 - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=48954
    Trinket 1 - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45522
    Trinket 2 - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=44253

    T8 Assassination Bis List: Engineering/JC

    Main Hand - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45607
    Off Hand - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45484
    Ranged - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45327
    Head - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=46125
    Neck - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45517
    Shoulder - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45245
    Back - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45461
    Chest - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45473
    Wrist - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45611
    Hands - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=46124
    Waist - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=46095
    Legs - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45536
    Feet - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45564
    Ring 1 - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45525
    Ring 2 - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45608
    Trinket 1 - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45522
    Trinket 2 - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45609

    List made by: [H] Vast <Memories>


    Little update.

    I've done some testing on PTR as I was attempting to find out what weapons would give better results. Since I was already there I ran a set with your proposed BiS list to see what the difference was. To make it somewhat consistent I ran with 2 million damage intervals, self bleeding, and absolutely zero external buffs. I assumed that as per chemical titration, 4 attempts at testing were sufficient. Here are the results:

    Your BiS list:
    Attempt 1: 3669 DPS
    Attempt 2: 3599 DPS
    Attempt 3: 3619 DPS
    Attempt 4: 3641 DPS

    Average: 3632 DPS

    My BiS list with 2x http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40386 :
    Attempt 1: 3874 DPS
    Attempt 2: 3921 DPS
    Attempt 3: 3869 DPS
    Attempt 4: 3901 DPS

    Average: 3891.3 DPS

    My BiS list with 1x http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40386 and http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=39714 :
    Attempt 1: 3813 DPS
    Attempt 2: 3809 DPS
    Attempt 3: 3789 DPS
    Attempt 4: 3796 DPS

    Average: 3801.8 DPS

    My BiS list with 1x http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40386 and http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40368 :
    Attempt 1: 3328 DPS
    Attempt 2: 3543 DPS
    Attempt 3: 3467 DPS
    Attempt 4: 3497 DPS

    Average: 3458.8 DPS



    Discussion: I had a feeling in the back of my head that using two http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40386 would be better, but never tested it. Now that I have it seems to be yielding better results. Our 2nd rogue managed to get his hands on two of these bad boys and has greatly improved his DPS. 16k on Thaddius was quite a shock.

    Conclusion: Have any rogues parsed 8k on Patch? Not quite. However, in the same raid you manage to do less on other bosses than us. Excuses aside, if you want somebody to accept your results as valid, consistency is vital. I am also quite sure that the numbers above, as well as in our logs, will not convince you of anything. How could they? When I ignored all-so-important secondary stats... Feel free to test it yourselves. As for "your" list, it has just been posted in the most viewed assassination rogue thread, which in a few months will be completely obsolete and we can begin this dance once more. :) So if the stupid want to be lead by the blind, who am I to stop them. As far as I am concerned, my input here has concluded.

    Your attention was very much appreciated :)

    Best of luck in your future endevours

    Macros
    Mutilate with autoattack.
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    #showtooltip
    /startattack
    /cast Mutilate

    Really simple ToTT macro, no need to worry where's the tank.
    Spoiler: Show
    #showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
    /cast [@targettarget] Tricks of the Trade

    Poisons on the skillbar slot 16 is mh and 17 oh.
    Spoiler: Show

    #showtooltip
    /use Deadly Poison
    /use 17

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    #showtooltip
    /use Instant Poison
    /use 16

    Vanish & autoattack.
    Spoiler: Show
    /cast Vanish
    /startattack



    Poweraura
    Will update soon...
    I suggest to download poweraura addon so you can track your skills. I will upload the codes when I can.
    This is a guide for maximum dps. I didn't make any expetions for it.


    Any kind of feedback is welcome and let me know how much did your dps increase:).



    Originally Posted by trm90
    I am having a debate in wether I should gem 20agility or 40AP? (yeah it's half the amount of the pure AP gems but they give us cri% and also with 'horn of winter' & 'kings' won't it be just a bit behind 40AP gems? aside a crazy load of extra cri%? , and also I never understood why 1.40 weapon is so important am doesn't it add like just a bit more poisons?

    Your questions are quite valid, especially on Molten, where buffs and auras used to stack until recently.

    1) 40 AP gems net more DPS than 20 agility, the crit gain from 20 Agility is not worth the AP loss.

    2) It's a 1.40 speed dagger, now add 40% from SnD, 30% from Bloodlust, 20% from Windfury Totem / Icy Talons, add Haste from your gear, food, elixirs and Potion of Speed and the difference between 1.80 and 1.40 becomes HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE. The main damage from Assa comes from Instant Poison being reapplied by Deadly Poison, which happens the most when the Envenom buff is up, which is basically the point of the whole Assa rotation - having a 100% uptime on Envenom. During that time your 1.40 OH dagger will attack for like every 0.5 sec or so, with an improved chance to apply poisons, which means that basically when you have Envenom up almost every OH attack you do will apply DP, and therefore IP.

    ^this is basically the whole theorycrafting behind WotLK PvE Assa in a nutshell.
    Edited: November 9, 2018 Reason: Updated links and BIS list.

  2. We already have this and this, but thanks for the effort, I guess.

    You haven't mentioned when to switch from AP to Haste, you haven't mentioned when to stick to the gem sockets and when to ignore them, DP goes on the faster OH, not on the slower MH.

  3. We already have this and this, but thanks for the effort, I guess.

    You haven't mentioned when to switch from AP to Haste, you haven't mentioned when to stick to the gem sockets and when to ignore them, DP goes on the faster OH, not on the slower MH.
    seriously with all your exp u still read guides? :D

  4. We already have this and this, but thanks for the effort, I guess.

    You haven't mentioned when to switch from AP to Haste, you haven't mentioned when to stick to the gem sockets and when to ignore them, DP goes on the faster OH, not on the slower MH.
    Well "this and this" can be found where? Those are old guides a bit outdated and not so good in my opinion. You can find everything from one page and not google what you need for assassination and also because of the dead links.

    There's no need of mentioning when to switch from AP to Haste. I've been running with haste since I got my lvl 80. I made 11k dps on icc10n dbs with 4,8k gs. I'm pretty sure you can't do that with AP gear :P. Also thanks for finding a mistake in my guide. Gonna switch em :P.

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    Taralej, check your inbox / PM here on forums please, and answer :-)

  6. All this would be fine if haste regened your energy like it should, I guess this guide would work well on retail but here there are much better specs and setups as far as Assasination goes.

  7. All this would be fine if haste regened your energy like it should, I guess this guide would work well on retail but here there are much better specs and setups as far as Assasination goes.
    Energy regen shouldn't be increased by haste.

  8. Energy regen shouldn't be increased by haste.
    not directly.

  9. Well "this and this" can be found where?
    Here.

    I understand your reasons, but you can just ask the authors of the guides to fix the links, and ask questions & give opinions in order to improve the guides. I remember my first guides were crap, because I thought that I knew stuff and that writing guides was easy, but I didn't and it wasn't, and the community helped me improve as a player and an author.

    There's no need of mentioning when to switch from AP to Haste.
    Haste has a lot less value when you're a fresh 80 for several reasons: first, poisons don't do that much damage; second, you can't get enough Haste to make it worth; third, most of your damage as a fresh 80 comes from Mutilate, finishers and melee, and haste only helps with one of these directly. AP helps with all of them. It's the same reason why speccing a fresh 80 Warlock as Affliction is not a good idea.

    Also thanks for finding a mistake in my guide. Gonna switch em :P.
    You're welcome. :)

    @Lithiumirl - ^this is why I do it.

    @Anirith - Done.

    @DropDaDrop - what the hell are you talking about? The only way Haste affects energy regen for Assa on WotLK is Focused Attacks.

  10. @DropDaDrop - what the hell are you talking about? The only way Haste affects energy regen for Assa on WotLK is Focused Attacks.
    yea, and since you go all in on haste your cirt stays low. thus why you regen less energy even tho you attack more.

    10haste 15stam for pve? no ty. Not even a mention about ignoring such kind slots.
    As for gemming haste its a playstyle you chose but from what I seen in these years no haste rogue beat AP rouge not even close.
    And as for trinkets TAiAJ? I'd rather go for MoS if you are looking for hit instead going for that.
    No mention about other trinkets such as WFS HC which is one of the best trinkets out there for assasination rogues.
    Those are some points I made for this guide and imo there are quite few more.

  11. yea, and since you go all in on haste your cirt stays low. thus why you regen less energy even tho you attack more.
    So how is ^this connected to

    All this would be fine if haste regened your energy like it should, I guess this guide would work well on retail but here there are much better specs and setups as far as Assasination goes.
    ^this?

    Also, your crit is no lower than in any other spec, since no Rogue spec actually gems Crit. Actually, as far as the stats weight is concerned, Crit comes right after Haste/AP for Assa.

  12. Here.

    I understand your reasons, but you can just ask the authors of the guides to fix the links, and ask questions & give opinions in order to improve the guides. I remember my first guides were crap, because I thought that I knew stuff and that writing guides was easy, but I didn't and it wasn't, and the community helped me improve as a player and an author.
    I agree with you but there's basicly only 1 guide in this forum left for pve rogue. The assassination guide has been with dead links for over a year now. The poster hasn't logged in since last year september:P. Also I hope my guide will be better than the last one.

    Haste has a lot less value when you're a fresh 80 for several reasons: first, poisons don't do that much damage; second, you can't get enough Haste to make it worth; third, most of your damage as a fresh 80 comes from Mutilate, finishers and melee, and haste only helps with one of these directly. AP helps with all of them. It's the same reason why speccing a fresh 80 Warlock as Affliction is not a good idea.
    Once again I agree with you. You must have 4k ap atleast to switch to haste but in my opinion this limit should be succeeded fast with 3,5k gs ish. I'll add some changes to the guide. You made your point pretty clear to me. :P

  13. Do you realise why dual-wield classes suc mostly on Molten? Hitcap formula for offhand is broken. Haste gives you just attack speed and you do not benefit as much. Not gonna aruge with you, you've got fancy talk but its clear that you havent played rogue here as much as some people did. Theroy wise this thread is close to good but in reality it gets beaten with ease peace out.

  14. yea, and since you go all in on haste your cirt stays low. thus why you regen less energy even tho you attack more.

    10haste 15stam for pve? no ty. Not even a mention about ignoring such kind slots.
    As for gemming haste its a playstyle you chose but from what I seen in these years no haste rogue beat AP rouge not even close.
    And as for trinkets TAiAJ? I'd rather go for MoS if you are looking for hit instead going for that.
    No mention about other trinkets such as WFS HC which is one of the best trinkets out there for assasination rogues.
    Those are some points I made for this guide and imo there are quite few more.
    1. Crit doesn't come with AP or Haste mate. It comes with gear and socket bonuses. :P
    2. Thanks for finding a mistake in my guide with the stamina gem. I updated it:P.
    3. As for trinkets then I'll start with the best and end with the lowest. http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50706 -> http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50355 -> http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=48722 -> http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45609 -> Can't remember the trinket name lvl200 can be found in ah with haste :P.

  15. Do you realise why dual-wield classes suc mostly on Molten? Hitcap formula for offhand is broken. Haste gives you just attack speed and you do not benefit as much. Not gonna aruge with you, you've got fancy talk but its clear that you havent played rogue here as much as some people did. Theroy wise this thread is close to good but in reality it gets beaten with ease peace out.
    Even if the forumla for offhand hit cap is bugged then it does not affect poisons. Also having 17% hit will not make your white hits all hit the target. 17% stands for spell hit cap and 8% for yellow hits. If you want that all your white hit succeed on target you should get around 700-800 hit rating which is redicilous to achive because you'll lose stats because of that.

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