I beg to differ. What's the point of being top of the charts when it's heavily partner relied upon. Yes, you can work well with one, two, four other players in 2s, 3s and 5s. But a pvp guild is about the general population of the players that plays under that banner, not the name of the arena team you are in. In your understanding of this, I would say, what if you are a hardcore pve guild, but have r1, r2 players in your guild, but they are the only players that pvp. Would that make your guild the top pvp guild then? To me, it would be all around pvp that included MOST members of your guild in one event. As I stated, SoL isn't a pvp guild and by far not even close to becoming a pvp guild (nor do I want to). But it's a social guild that supports each other and helps each other out. For instance, CCC does guild events, world pvp, rated bgs and have members in the top ladders. This is what I call a pvp guild. They include members of their guild and doesn't shun them for not being top ladder rankings. How would a guild be without the members that make that guild, not the members that make their personal ratings only.