1. 3 Weeks Ago  
    So off-hand should always have flametongue? Or at some point I can have double windfury when my gear is better?

  2. 3 Weeks Ago  
    windfury mainhand and flametongue offhand is standard and advised to be followed

  3. 3 Weeks Ago  
    There has been plenty of debate going on between Haste and and ArP setups, but what about SP enhance? I've heard that glyph of flametongue stacks and so with some haste-focused SP items, you can get crazy numbers with a LB>FS>Nova>SS prio list. Has anyone else tried it?

  4. 3 Weeks Ago  
    There has been plenty of debate going on between Haste and and ArP setups, but what about SP enhance? I've heard that glyph of flametongue stacks and so with some haste-focused SP items, you can get crazy numbers with a LB>FS>Nova>SS prio list. Has anyone else tried it?
    Was calculated on the third page of this thread.
    You need to replace "openwow" with "cavernoftime" to make the links working.
    Spoiler: Show
    My double flametongue gear setup deals ~12940 single target dps (200 less dps than the normal BiS gear).
    Ill just list the items here. I might add it later on to the front page.

    Slot|Gem|Enchant
    Head| http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51242 |21agi 3%crit, 10hit 10exp | 50ap 20crit
    Neck| http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50658 |10hit 10exp
    Shoulders| http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51240 | 20hit | 40ap 15crit
    Back| http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=54583 |20exp | 23haste
    Chest| http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51244 |10hit 10exp , 10stats | +10stats
    Wrist| http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=54580 |10hit 10exp , 20hit | 50ap
    Hands|http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50619 |34haste, 10hit 10exp, 20haste | 20hit
    Waist|http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=54587 |34haste, 20haste, 20exp
    Legs|http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=51241 |10hit 10exp, 34haste | 75ap 22crit
    Feet|http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50711 |20haste, 20haste | 12crit 12hit
    Finger|http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=54576 |20haste
    Finger|http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50402 |20haste
    Trinket|http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=54588
    Trinket|http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50355
    Main Hand| http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50734 | 20exp | Berserking
    Off-hand|http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50737 | 20exp | Berserking
    Relic|http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50458

    Glyphs:
    Flametongue, Stormstrike, Lightning Shield

    Spec:
    http://wotlk.openwow.com/talent#hVhhVbZhxxI0xzIhusouVo


    Ability priority order:

    1) |http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=51532 x 5 stacks - http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=49240
    2) |http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=49233
    3) |http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=17364 if debuff not active
    4) |http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=49281 if not active
    5) |http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=2894
    6) |http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=58735 if not active
    7) |http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=51533
    8) |http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=30823
    9) |http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=68100
    10) |http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=61657
    11) |http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=17364
    12) |http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=60103
    13) |http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=58735
    14) |http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=49281

  5. 3 Weeks Ago  
    There are no debates about haste vs arp, it is just about arp or not arp (ppl mostly trying to exchange arp to crit). And if u will try enhsim or simcraft, stat priority looks like:
    hit,exp till cap -> haste -> arp -> agi -> str -> crit -> AP -> SP. And arp increases it's effectiveness with more u get it.

  6. 3 Weeks Ago  
    There has been plenty of debate going on between Haste and and ArP setups, but what about SP enhance? I've heard that glyph of flametongue stacks and so with some haste-focused SP items, you can get crazy numbers with a LB>FS>Nova>SS prio list. Has anyone else tried it?
    Just wanted to get a full guide with working links in one place, so hear it is:

    *****NOTE ON BOTTOM OF POST *****

    My double flametongue gear setup deals ~12940 single target dps (200 less dps than the normal BiS gear).
    Ill just list the items here. I might add it later on to the front page.

    Slot|Gem|Enchant
    Head| http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=51242 |21agi 3%crit, 10hit 10exp | 50ap 20crit
    Neck| http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50658 |10hit 10exp
    Shoulders| http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=51240 | 20hit | 40ap 15crit
    Back| http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=54583 |20exp | 23haste
    Chest| http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=51244 |10hit 10exp , 10stats | +10stats
    Wrist| http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=54580 |10hit 10exp , 20hit | 50ap
    Hands|http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50619 |34haste, 10hit 10exp, 20haste | 20hit
    Waist|http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=54587 |34haste, 20haste, 20exp
    Legs|http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=51241 |10hit 10exp, 34haste | 75ap 22crit
    Feet|http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50711 |20haste, 20haste | 12crit 12hit
    Finger|http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=54576 |20haste
    Finger|http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50402 |20haste
    Trinket|http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=54588
    Trinket|http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50355
    Main Hand| http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50734 | 20exp | Berserking
    Off-hand|http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50737 | 20exp | Berserking
    Relic|http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50458

    That is the BiS set for SP enhance I haven't fully finished my set, but anyone is welcome to inspect my sham Epicsham for gems enhancts etc
    *Bracers are debatable you can also go for http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=54584

    I mainly have used wowequip to check stats, which a friend had given me from actual retail Wotlk and have done various tests on dummys and actual heroic raids.

    I have concluded that for this spec you need the following:
    Hit rating: 525 or 16% *Note I am a Draenei
    Expertise rating: 110 or 22/22
    Haste: at least 750 at BiS
    Crit: As much as you can after you hit 750 haste
    Spell power: As much as you can! Spellpower, Gemming wise is approx equal in DPS value as Crit rating when BiS as stated above.

    Glyphs: Theses Glyphs literally make this spec and Major Glyphs are irrefutable
    Flametongue, Stormstrike, Lightning Shield
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=41539
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=41532
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=41530

    Talents there are 2 ways to go for this spec you can inspect my Shaman for both tree's: http://armory.warmane.com/character/...ecrown/summary

    As for actual weapon imbued's, you use Double Flametounge weapon instead of Windfury, which with the glyph gives you 4% passive Spell Crit.

    Spell priority is fairly similar to normal enhance however, Firenova is higher up on the priority list.

    Professions I'm using are Engineering and Jewelcrafting which I find best personally, with these professions you have extactly 525 hit rating when BiS and Gemmed / Enchanted correctly

    This spec is really fun and I honestly can say does more Dps than a Normal Enhance, and is more versatile in certain fights.

    Hope to see more people trying this spec out, and if anyone has any questions you can always contact me Ingame or through forums!

    - Epicsham aka Bdsm aka The Trendy Enhance Shaman

    Glyphs:
    Flametongue, Stormstrike, Lightning Shield

    Spec:
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/talent...xxI0xzIhusouVo


    Ability priority order:

    1) |http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=51532 x 5 stacks - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=49240
    2) |http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=49233
    3) |http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=17364 if debuff not active
    4) |http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=49281 if not active
    5) |http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=2894
    6) |http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=58735 if not active
    7) |http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=51533
    8) |http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=30823
    9) |http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=68100
    10) |http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=61657
    11) |http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=17364
    12) |http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=60103
    13) |http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=58735
    14) |http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=49281


    ****I purposely posted this all JUST to post what others have already posted but with most of the links fixed. The spec link is still not working. I have never tried this gear and spec, however I witnessed a shaman on LoD doing 20k in the opening of the pull. Here's his armory link so anyone that wants to check him out can do so. http://armory.warmane.com/character/...ecrown/summary I don't know him personally, and I'm posting this without his knowledge or permission, although I also have no reason to believe he would mind. Please don't take this link as an invitation to whisper him questions.

    I would also strongly suggest that the spell priority list is incorrect. The shaman's Fire Nova was his 3rd overall dmg source, so I believe it would be VERY high on his spell priority rotation. I assume your correct spell priority is what DoctorSars said: LB>FS>Nova>SS****
    Edited: 3 Weeks Ago Reason: needed to add a note

  7. 3 Weeks Ago  
    Wooooah, why enha is so fun in terms of gear.
    Btw. did u try fire shock glyph in your comparissons? won't be good boost for sp shama?
    And what do u guys think about this sp shama? What are bosses where it can beat normal enha? Seems more target switching, and multidotting, same as more aoe. PP with a lot of running between ozoo and boss? Dbs with adds?
    And if there are difference what do u think if normal enha should use this stuff? I mean isn't it will be good to use SP unset parts instead of agility ones on trash to boost overall dmg? Like boss arp -setup, trash - reequip unset parts to SP ones? Will it be any advantage of that.

  8. 3 Weeks Ago  
    @quackdiggity
    Thanks for updating the links!
    Keep in mind that this double FT gear setup is based on EnhSim.
    I can not tell you whats really better ingame because it's always possible that there is still one or the other bug on Warmane, but I can tell you what's better according to EnhSim.
    If anything http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=54582 would be the other option because haste > crit.
    Replacing http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=54580 with http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=54582 appears to be a drop of around 30 DPS points.
    I have concluded that for this spec you need the following:
    Hit rating: 525 or 16% *Note I am a Draenei
    Expertise rating: 110 or 22/22
    Haste: at least 750 at BiS
    Crit: As much as you can after you hit 750 haste
    Spell power: As much as you can! Spellpower, Gemming wise is approx equal in DPS value as Crit rating when BiS as stated above.
    There are a few mistakes.
    First of all, when you are raid buffed you need just 368 hit rating to reach the spell hit cap of 17%.
    However, hit is the most complex stat of a Enh shami. It is usually not enough to just reach the spell hit cap. You'll need additional hit to extend the melee crit cap. Furthermore your white attacks have a very high miss chance, with extra hit you'll reduce it which in return will give you more FT procs, more MW stacks, more LS procs, more uptime on your 4set bonus, etc.
    In fact hit is such a complex stat for a Enh shami that it's almost impossible to calculate by yourself how much of it you gonna need. It's very advisable to use a theorycrafting tool for that.

    Second. You need 140 expertise rating, 26/26.

    Third. Haste is always better than crit. There is no haste cap.

    Fourth. SP is a poor stat, even for a double FT shami and it's not worth to Gem for it.
    The stat values with the double FT gear are as follow:
    Haste = Hit > crit > AP > Agi > Int > SP > Arp


    The spec link is still not working.
    That's the actual spec:
    https://db.rising-gods.de/?talent#hV...xxI0xzIhusouVo
    Glyphs: Theses Glyphs literally make this spec and Major Glyphs are irrefutable
    Flametongue, Stormstrike, Lightning Shield
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=41539
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=41532
    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=41530
    Glyph of Lightning shield sims 20 more DPS than Fire Nova Glyph.
    Fire nova deals pathetic single target dmg, even with the extra SP of the double FT build.
    Glyph of fire nova is only advisable when you hit +2 mobs.
    I would also strongly suggest that the spell priority list is incorrect. The shaman's Fire Nova was his 3rd overall dmg source, so I believe it would be VERY high on his spell priority rotation. I assume your correct spell priority is what DoctorSars said: LB>FS>Nova>SS****
    The actual spell priority is telling us that SS has only a higher priority than Nova when there is no SS debuff active on the target.
    Edited: 3 Weeks Ago

  9. 3 Weeks Ago  
    @quackdiggity
    The actual spell priority is telling us that SS has only a higher priority than Nova when there is no SS debuff active on the target.
    Btw, isn't it actual only for sp shammy? I tried to moove stormstrike in enhsim rotation higher than earthshock and it calculated more dps with same gear. And it is is higher in spell priority on main thread.

  10. 3 Weeks Ago  
    Btw, isn't it actual only for sp shammy?
    Yes, the mentioned spell priority is ONLY for double FT shami.
    I tried to moove stormstrike in enhsim rotation higher than earthshock and it calculated more dps with same gear. And it is is higher in spell priority on main thread.
    SS if debuff not active > earthshock > SS

    Thats what the spell priority of the OP is telling us. When the SS debuff is active on the target and you use SS over earthshock then you gonna lose DPS.

  11. 1 Week Ago  
    Hey, guys, how about this build? Full icc buffs w/o hysteria/tot or others **** - https://imgur.com/1NMJZGo
    And may be who know, how can i add glyph? I want add glyph of fire nova and test him

  12. 1 Week Ago  
    Hey, guys, how about this build? Full icc buffs w/o hysteria/tot or others **** - https://imgur.com/1NMJZGo
    And may be who know, how can i add glyph? I want add glyph of fire nova and test him
    I'd run that gear setup on EnhSim. Rawr isn't very accurate.

  13. 1 Week Ago  
    I'd run that gear setup on EnhSim. Rawr isn't very accurate.
    Can u give link on enhsim? i'd tried find a long of times, but unresult

  14. 1 Week Ago  

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