[Guide] Bear: Feral Tanking, Effective Health Pool & You.

**pocketsgold** · October 27, 2015

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**pocketsgold** · October 27, 2015

to be continued...

**tasto** · October 27, 2015

naxx enchants are only available for coins now :(

**dike** · December 18, 2015

a8 pvp staff > any wep

**pocketsgold** · January 5, 2016

got a screenshot of a expertise and hit capped bear in icc above 113k hp?
not using survival instincts ofc.

the pvp staff cuts a good deal of hit rating that must be made up with gems.

glad staff has 275 stamina, two sockets and no hit rating.
crypt has 209 stamina, three sockets and 99 hit rating.

using this staff nets you a loss of 114 stamina in comparison with cryptmaker, due to having to gem the 150 worth of stamina gems as 100 hit rating instead.

you could get a higher HP with a hit cloak and the icc tank ring, 27 stamina more.
but you lose over 1000 armor for doing so.

**~~Funkymusic~~** · January 5, 2016

there is quite a bit wrong with this guide. weapon, idol, you are worried about hitting hit rating when tanks dont need hit cap, why no ferocity? good god man. idk why we are even having discussions about ferals till they fix threat or dps or whatever tha cause is of ferals losing agro so damn fast (or be it noobs who cant use tricks or salv) i suggest http://forum.warmane.com/showthread....-Tanking-Guide as a much more in depth guide that you might want to take a peek at. cheers.

**dike** · January 7, 2016

hit rating>stamina>armor

dunno why all are just so mad about armor- pple trying to have it on all pieces, sacrificing stamina.

**pocketsgold** · January 7, 2016

raenels guide is nice, but i prefer an EHP approach.

This guide is meant as a reference for players who want an in-depth description/inspection of my character keefgrinder, which there are quite a few.
it is not meant as a walk-through to tanking. i fully expect you to be well-versed with druid tanking by the time you even consider this kind of gearing.

both idols are mentioned, both have their legitimate uses. any others do not compare, moving on.

the reasoning behind no ferocity is mentioned, at this point i'm guessing you did not even read this thread.

believe me, tanks use hit cap if they're tanking/offtanking LKHC25.

as for your problem with threat? I don't have a clue what you're talking about.

**pocketsgold** · January 7, 2016

if you aren't going for effective health yes, that may be true.

this is an effective health pool spec dike ^_^

hit rating > armor > stamina here.

you're referencing a more spell-tanking friendly gearing.
not what i'm going for.

**dike** · January 7, 2016

that 1k armor loss is nothing. like 1% phys dmg taken increase?

**pocketsgold** · January 7, 2016

i'll agree to disagree with you at this point dike. 1k armor is by far more than nothing ;D
with that logic you might as well say the extra stamina is also nothing and the point is entirely moot to discuss.

**MrRufus2nd** · January 7, 2016

Armor has diminishing returns so by the time your raiding you should have enough armor where stamina over takes it. Besides you wear leather so armor is mainly concerned for off pieces and stamina has crazy multipliers and you would want more health to last against bosses. It's hit+exp>stamina >armor.

**pocketsgold** · January 7, 2016

armor, while it has a tiered method for damage reduction, does not have diminishing returns.
it only seems that way and is usually described as so as the true distinction is harder to grasp.
armor, at high levels approaching the hard-cap more is required to reach 75%.
the amount you have (unless eclipsing one of these tiers) does not actually reduce the effectiveness of additional armor.
a small distinction, but one important to comprehend if you wish to pursue EHP to its fullest.

I do believe these retail numbers are similar to ours here on warmane.

Armor Value_Damage Reduction

5,000 >>>>>>>>>>> 23.1%
10,000 >>>>>>>>>> 37.5%
20,000 >>>>>>>>>> 54%
25,000 >>>>>>>>>> 60%
30,000 >>>>>>>>>> 64.35%
35,000 >>>>>>>>>> 67.78%
40,000 >>>>>>>>>> 70.63%
49,905 >>>>>>>>>> 75% (HARD CAP)

have you noticed you're posting in a strict EHP thread though?
Armor stacking is the point.

if ya have some numbers on stamina versus armor here on warmane, i'd be happy to read through them. ^_^
perhaps the golden number where armor stacking becomes less valuable than stamina?

yeaaahh, that'd be greaaaaaat :D

**MrRufus2nd** · January 7, 2016

Each 100 points of stamina
Bear form alone: 1490 HP
Bear+ Kings: 1630 HP
Bear + Kings + ICC - 2130 HP

Also agility gives 2 points of armor per point. It's why you mostly go agility but stamina is still ideal stat to go for over armor in a good portion of cases. Armor is for physical damage. Stamina is good for magic and physical. You should keep separate pieces though for fights where it would more beneficial to have higher armor.

also with agility you you get some armor but also crit which helps with savage defense to take less damage and it goes off attack power which also scales with it. its why we sacrifice armor for agility in plenty of cases except for maybe stamina which will be good against all damage not just physical. also stamina buffs hard in icc and raid buffs, armor does not. this would make stamina more valuable in the long run especially since we get so much from just a few points of it. the items with armor has strength on it which would make our savage defense weaker and less likely to proc.

30 stam = 440 hp unbuffed. this is a minor amount ofc. 1890 armor = 1.43% reduction. i got that reduction from taking off my trinket from my bear that had armor and a proc and subtracting the percentages. if it has no diminishing return then this should be correct across the board.

i know its a thread for EHP but i believe with this thinking would make the priority of it abit more clear as we can mess with stats easier than we can with armor which is more of a sacrifice for key abilities. we mainly do it though for stamina and with armor makes it more useful but still awkward (its late that word seems wrong though o.O).
imma do some basic math to compare armor and stam myself using...um maths and stuff

**pocketsgold** · January 7, 2016

do please keep it to discussing a 27 stamina difference, make it a cool thirty just for easy's sake.

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