WotLK [Guide] Warlock - How to improve your game play

[Baelfrog]

You still need a lot of SP and Haste to go Demo or Affliction ... just go Destro ...

[Baelfrog]

On LDW I mean frostbolt volley mainly.
On DBS I agree that adds shouldnt attack you much - my mistake - there are also things like blood nova/mark of the fallen champion/boiling blood though.
On BPC I mean ball of flames/glittering sparks, kinetics should be taken care off (+ pushback reduction woud not reduce them, since you are knocked back anyways).
BQL bolts target random ppl + are aoe dmg. Additionaly she has Shroud of Sorrow (aura hitting every 3-4sec entire raid).

^those are things you can not avoid by playing/positioning better

Look at your damage taken from fights -> each hit delays your casts.

AoE SPELLS should not trigger Pushback ... go to Wowhead, Wowwiki and Battle.net to check it ... its bugged here on Molten, so if they fix it, you wont need any of the Pushaback talents ... they are PvP only ...!

[Beanlord]

AoE SPELLS should not trigger Pushback ... go to Wowhead, Wowwiki and Battle.net to check it ... its bugged here on Molten, so if they fix it, you wont need any of the Pushaback talents ... they are PvP only ...!

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Interrupt

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[baxuz]

I don't think i will be hit capped with these BiS items...

[rc100]

Heyo, great guide! Thanks for the detailed explanations and compliments on the formatting!

A question:
At 2900 sp, 35% crit and 974 passive haste (not taking into account http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=48722 or http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=59625 procs) , which spec would be more viable, Demo or Hybrid demo?
Is it too soon to expect decent results from affliction?

Well at that point specs for you should look something like this destro>hybrid>demo=affliction if raid dps is not so good hybrid will be on top on destro.
Depend on the fights and how well you play affliction spec for bosses like Lady, PP, BPC, Sindi, LK affliction should pull more.
Try affliction after you reach 1378 haste, because after that number with raid buffs your haste rating will be 50% and you will have actually 1 sec cast on unstable affliction, haunt and curses. As we know at 50% haste we reduce our GCD - global cooldown from 1.5 sec to 1 sec.

I don't think i will be hit capped with these BiS items...

Raid - Chance to miss is 83% on bosses so 17% is the hard cap for ALL casters, without talents or racials you need 446 hit rating to reach it.
Soft caps
16% or 420 rating - If there is a Draenei in your group (not raid, GROUP)
14% or 368 rating - (3/3 Suppression)
13% or 342 rating - (3/3 Suppression) + Draenei
11% or 289 rating - (3/3 Suppression) + Spriest or Boomkin in the raid
10% or 263 rating - (3/3 Suppression) + Draenei + Spriest or Boomkin
Dungeon - Chance to miss is 94% so 6% is the hard cap for all casters and takes 158 rating without talents.
Soft caps
5% or 132 rating - If there is a Draenei in your group (not raid, GROUP)
3% or 79 rating - (3/3 Suppression)
2% or 53 rating - (3/3 Suppression) + Draenei
(3/3 Suppression) + Spriest or Boomkin puts you at the cap and + Draenei puts you 1% over

Like every other caster in the game we need 17% hit. With that gear we will have 11.30+% hit from gear and with 3 points in Suppression 14% + boomkin or shadow priest in the raid +3% hit more we end up a bit over the hard cap 17.30%+.

[Sky]

Well at that point specs for you should look something like this destro>hybrid>demo=affliction if raid dps is not so good hybrid will be on top on destro.
Depend on the fights and how well you play affliction spec for bosses like Lady, PP, BPC, Sindi, LK affliction should pull more.
Try affliction after you reach 1378 haste, because after that number with raid buffs your haste rating will be 50% and you will have actually 1 sec cast on unstable affliction, haunt and curses. As we know at 50% haste we reduce our GCD - global cooldown from 1.5 sec to 1 sec.

I've been testing out hybrid, and that's the best working one so far (for my gear level, obviously). I love spamming http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=47838 anyway, it's a pretty spell!


Thanks for the help! :)

[Neixlol]

Just a question...I got 5.2K gs, 383 hit rating(14.60%) No supression talent(0/54/17) with +20 hit rating on hands.

I am wearing right now http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50449 with 2x gems 12 sp + 10 haste. I, however, got this item = https://wotlk-twinhead.twinstar.cz/?item=49991 but I can't decide..I do need a bit of hit, but the spirit shoulders give me more SP. Which one should I go with? I'm asking because I'm not sure how well spirit is used with demo locks. Thanks

[rc100]

Just a question...I got 5.2K gs, 383 hit rating(14.60%) No supression talent(0/54/17) with +20 hit rating on hands.

I am wearing right now http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50449 with 2x gems 12 sp + 10 haste. I, however, got this item = https://wotlk-twinhead.twinstar.cz/?item=49991 but I can't decide..I do need a bit of hit, but the spirit shoulders give me more SP. Which one should I go with? I'm asking because I'm not sure how well spirit is used with demo locks. Thanks

I would stay with http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50449 you dont need more hit than that you already have mate.14% + 3 from Spriest or Boomkin is the cap.

About spirit as you notice it give as spell power, the more spell power we have the better as demo, for the raid group.

[Netoneto]

I want to thank you for such a great guide. In my 5+ yrs playing a lock, I haven't seen a pve resource more complete that gets down to the point showing all viable specs...

Now, I'm back to warmane, just hit 80 and with 2.2k gs im hitting 1.9k dps on aff and 1.3k dps on destro on UC dummies. I copied your specs, glyphs and rotations. Using Felhunter on aff and imp on destro. From the comments here it would seem destro should be pulling more. What could I be doing wrong?

[rc100]

I want to thank you for such a great guide. In my 5+ yrs playing a lock, I haven't seen a pve resource more complete that gets down to the point showing all viable specs...

Now, I'm back to warmane, just hit 80 and with 2.2k gs im hitting 1.9k dps on aff and 1.3k dps on destro on UC dummies. I copied your specs, glyphs and rotations. Using Felhunter on aff and imp on destro. From the comments here it would seem destro should be pulling more. What could I be doing wrong?

Thank you for your kind words mate.
If you are doing your rotation correct, its most likely gear that makes aff on top of destro at the moment. Mainly because you are so low on crit r, and destro have few talents that benefit on that, which are not used frequently now.

[Neixlol]

Hey! I am back for another question.

http://armory.warmane.com/character/...ecrown/summary -> This is my armory.

I have 264 BoE shoulders and 264 hands. I have enough emblems to get t10 shoulders + hands(251) which means I lose out on some stats, but I get the 4P bonus. My question is, is that worth? I am destro with OS demo, but im planning on trying affliction soon.

Also if you check my armory, you will see I have waist 232 from PoS HC. I can buy the waist 264 with 60 EoF(Belt of Omission) ? Thanks in advance, appreciate it :P

[rc100]

Hey! I am back for another question.

http://armory.warmane.com/character/...ecrown/summary -> This is my armory.

I have 264 BoE shoulders and 264 hands. I have enough emblems to get t10 shoulders + hands(251) which means I lose out on some stats, but I get the 4P bonus. My question is, is that worth? I am destro with OS demo, but im planning on trying affliction soon.

Also if you check my armory, you will see I have waist 232 from PoS HC. I can buy the waist 264 with 60 EoF(Belt of Omission) ? Thanks in advance, appreciate it :P

Welcome back mate,

1st thing 1st 4p bonus is amazing you should have it, specially if you have EOF for it, like you do.
2nd you don`t need points in suppression in your destro spec you have almost 15% hit chance that`s more than enough.
3rd your biggest holes in gear right now are your trinkets they are really bad and belt/waist. Try to find on global some Tailor with full patterns who can craft you Ulduar http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45557, this will be huge upgrade for you on top with 4p bonus or if you have EOF after you buy your tier parts buy one of the EOF waists, http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50997 or the one you link it.
4th about trinkets POS hc one http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=50259 its easy to get, and its a lot better than this two you have + http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=47213 its from vendor. I believe this are your best choices until you get ToC,RS,ICC or if you guys raid Ulduar trinkets.

If you do all that i`m sure you will notice dps difference right away, because this is huge upgrade for you and its easy to do it.

ps. i notice you don`t have shoulder enchant until you do sons of hodir quest chain reputations, you can buy the pvp one that is out side of VOA entrance http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44068.
I`f you have sons of hodir reputation enchant on toon that is in the same account where your walock is, you can buy it on that toon, and send it to your warlock.

[Looodak]

I am curious from where to get so much haste..i know i still need more items but how to get from 600 to 1600?

[Neixlol]

Hey! Just wanted to reply to show off and brag a bit.

Yesterday we did ICC 25N and I finally got a new trinket(DFO) From number 10-12 I am now number 2-5..it's amazing, really. I also got T10 token(264 shoulders now) and about the trinket from pos hc -> http://prnt.sc/c4i0t4 - I didn't get it with more than 25-30 PoS HC.

I'll gem my t10 hands and use them for 4p + I'll buy the hit belt with 60 EoF.

P.S: My dps is 7.4k on HC dummy without 4p bonus at the moment. I'm really liking destro, when should I change to affli? My OS is Demo(if the guild needs it)

[rc100]

I am curious from where to get so much haste..i know i still need more items but how to get from 600 to 1600?

close to bis gear is over 1500.

Just added aff warlock pov on LOD.
Nothing special just notice how to portal and aoe valks.

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