Sup peeps. I'm Double <Murmur> Alliance side on Warmane's Lordaeron. I've put through a list to my knowledge is complete in giving you the Hit Cap which is 5% with Nerves of Cold Steel Talent in Frost To which i've capped here to 8% purposly on this list to allow you room to swap peices to what you'd prefer. This list is also 100% Expertise capped 26/26 without gemming/enchanting your gear for hit/exp allowing you to fully gem Strength. (aside for the tear to activate meta) Starting in this gearlist here I was pulling well over 4500 DPS single target on Patchwerk in Naxx25. This list also offers in most cases a way to slot in other peices if you can't obtain peices. If you guys have any questions i'll try to keep tabs here on the forums, but feel free to message me in game. Enjoy and happy hunting.
Head: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=41386
This helmet is BiS till T7.5 from Kel'Thuzad and easy to obtain since it's crafted by Blacksmiths
97str/1.83hit/1.13crit(socketed) Crafted
Neck: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37397
47str/.94crit King Ymiron Utgarde Pinnacle
Shoulders: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=43481
Unfortunately these leather shoulders can't really be replaced. There are some leather shoulders in HCoS, some Plate shoulders with a socket from HGundrak, or non heroic Plate shoulders from HHoL with a socket and Hit rating. Imo going for the Expertise cap is key and you'll have to Socket one of those Heroic shoulders and then get Gloves Enchanted with Expertise if you aren't able to obtain these.
72Agi=1.15crit/3.42expertise
Back: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37840
This cloak is from the 2nd boss in HHoL and is needed for Expertise cap. If you're Human and get +3Expertise to Maces/Swords i'd suggest you changing this to Cloak of Bloodied Waters http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37647 which is a very very nice cloak and also easy to obtain from an Auction House for about 100-200g depending.
Chest: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=39617
This Chest is obtainable through the Heroism Badge vendor for 80 badges. If you're still gearing towards this peice, there is a chest in HAN:OK (old kingdom) which drops a chest usable till this one drops, or the Hit chest from HGundrak
74str/2.85haste/1.31crit
Bracer: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=41355
These bracers are INSANE for 187 ilvl and put the rest of the bracers to shame. These bracers are also very very easy to obtain since they're crafted. If these are unobtainable I'd go with Rep Bracers from Wyrmrest Accord.
53str/.81hit/.76crit
Gloves: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=43813
These gloves are obtained through the Heroism Badge Vendor for 60 Badges.
57str/1.00crit/1.01hit
Waist: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37194
We're aiming for Expertise cap here so we're going with this belt which drops from Ingvar the Plunderer in Utgarde Keep. There's also the belt from Keristraza in The Nexus, and the Leather Vendor belt. Both of which would have to have Expertise gems worked in.
45agi=.72crit/5.25exp
Pants: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37193
There's no arguing this peice is there? These pants are just way too good. Drops from Ingvar the Plunderer in Utgarde Keep.
83str/2.44hit
Feet: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44306
These boots are amazing and extremely easy to obtain from Exalted with Kights of the Ebon Blade which Death Knights are almost revered with by default!
50str/1.44crit
Finger1: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37642
Again we're going for Expertise here. This ring is too good to pass up. Drops from Gal'darah in Gundrak.
49agi=.78 crit/4.03exp
Finger2: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=45690
This ring is 100% required here guys. This ring is basically 8000g from a Vendor in Dalaran. There are 2 rings, one of which you have to buy to be able to upgrade to this ring here. It's about 6800g(exalted) with the 1st ring, and another 1000g(exalted) to upgrade it. This ring also upgrades 2 more times during the expansion and is well worth it for how long it'll be equipped. However, I don't expect everyone to have the gold. Even I don't have this amount at the time of this guide. If this isn't something you can obtain you'll have to gem/enchant Expertise to stay capped and you can pickup the ring from Ormorok the Tree-Shaper from The Nexus, or buy the BoE ring called Signet of Edward the Odd.
56str/.83crit/4.51exp
Trinket1:http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37166
This trinket will help get you 8%Hit Capped aswell as offer you a GREAT active. If you're extremely rich then buy a http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=42987
1.68hit
Trinket2: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40684
This is by far the best trinket obtainable Pre-Raid.
1.83crit
*DISCLAIMER* DO NOT waste your gold on http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=43573. If you need to sub in a trinket while you're aiming for the two above, http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37390 is worlds over Tears of Bitter Anguish.
Tears of Bitter Anguish has flat Haste which is okay, but offers a lower proc of 410 Haste. This item also has an ICD (internal cooldown) of 50sec. and also only triggers upon a critical strike. Crits come easy to us, but Meteorite Whetstone offers flat Crit with a higher proc at 444 Haste with an ICD of 45sec. and triggers off of regular white hits. The Whetstone has more of an uptime for a higher value, also since you'll be around 20% crit with this Gearlist the Crit is worth quite alot more to you than Haste will be. It isnt until later where Crit can deminish since we obtain so much passively.
Weapon1: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=41383
This weapon is Crafted by Blacksmiths and has a higher DPS value than any one hander Pre-raid. This weapon as a Human will also put you over Expertise Cap and if it does, feel free to swap out a peice of expertise gear. I'd reccommend the shoulders or Cloak.
Weapon2: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44250
This weapon is very very very easy to get. This weapon is from Kights of the Ebon Blade Revered. You as a DPS will have this rep Exalted for your helmet enchant anyways, and most likely boots. There is a couple of sub weapons like the Axe from Hodir Revered, or from HVH. Both of which have a 440 top end which is 18 higher than this sword. However, this sword is a 2.70 speed 1hander that's extremely easy to obtain and since ATP coefficient depends on your attack speed, all 3 weapons pretty much equal out. You will find no dps gain/loss by using this weapon over others in the Offhand. The DPS in the main hand will however boost your dps very very slightly.
Relic: There's pretty much one choice, and this is the one from your Badge Vendors.
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Lordaeron Frost DK Pre-Raid BiS
Edited: January 11, 2016
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First up.. Your boots are wrong.
Yes they have a socket or two, however they are pretty meh compared http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37367 which gives you a **** ton of haste and agility.
The proc rate of Mirror is ****ing terrible, save your badges and go with something which is going to be constant and always there for you.
http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37390/ much better.
Your neck.. Nope, your gaining more AP and Crit going with http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40678
Braces... Nope again. http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37853 - give all of 6 AP less but instead give us Haste and Agility.
Also, don't go for a mainhand lower than 2.7 unless absolutely necessary. All our strikes are based off weapon damage, which means a crappy quick MH is going to lower the actual amount of damage we have going out. It's much preferable to have a slower blue weapon rather than a quicker epic weapon.
I see your aiming for EXP cap, but I can tell you at this GS it's not worth it. Clearing Naxx on the PTR with 17 expertise and having no dodges/parries. Stop wasting an unnecessary stat.
Change your belt and shoulders and gain a better stat.
Belt: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40688
Sholders: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37627
My personal BIS list.
Helm: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=41386
Neck: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40678
Shoulder: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37627
Back: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37840
Chest: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=39617
Bracers: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37853
Gloves: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=43813
Belt: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40688
Legs: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37193
Boots: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37367
Ring 1: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37642
Ring 2: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37624 *If you don't have gold for Kirin Tor ring!
Trinket 1: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37390
Trinket 2: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37166
Weapons: http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44250 (Humans + Others), http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=37871 (Orcs)
Ilvl/GS does not equate actually better..... Min Maxing and stat priority is much stronger than ****ty epic/highGS items.
Kemii of <Is a Cookie> (5.4k on Patchwork 25M)Edited: January 10, 2016
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so would you be so kind to make a proper gear list i will reach 80 by next week and want to know which items i should be focusing on
oh nvm u gave it thnks!!
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Thank you doublespoons / kemii for these lists !
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when i see such fails, i cant sleep for 2 days.
http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=41383 143.6 DPS 251-467 wep dmg 2.5 speed
http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44250 130.2 DPS 281-422 wep dmg 2.7 speed
and u ,kemii, still suggest to equip x2 rep swords? ahahahah
OP was right about weapon choice 100%
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Are you sure....
http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=41383 143.6 DPS 251-467 wep dmg 2.5 speed = Damage per hit 359
http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44250 130.2 DPS 281-422 wep dmg 2.7 speed = Damage per hit 351.54
The difference is so marginal, there is little reason to actually fork out that much gold for such a minimal increase.
In terms of Lord, the difference is not worth the gold increase between the two. Just for it to be replaced with an item from Naxx anyway like http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40189 or http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40407
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mmmm, this thread is about best in slot items pre-raid, not about : "is it worth to waste gold on this?"
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Seeing as how good the Reaper is, I'd definitely not waste my gold on the crafted mace, even if it's a DPS gain, even if someone gave me all the mats for free, but Kemii you have to agree here that we're talking about BiS and not "best decision" so the crafted mace is still better...
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And people should be aware, that there are other options than a tiny DPS increase for a lot of gold.
Are you aware of how many people don't have the BOE mace available to them and still want to know what they should be using instead.. OP mentioned nothing about an ORC weapon for the expertise bonus there.
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OK, stop it, please, both of you...
It's a very nice and very useful thread for Lordaeron - try to make it better instead of arguing over the worth of a crafted mace.
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You guys are also not calculating in attack power and other secondary stats (still not worth the gold difference, even on the higher rated realms). Let's also not forget that a FDK's strikes will hit their target with both weapons thanks to Threat of Thassarian.
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Yeah, but the crafted mace is Main Hand-only, if that's what you're hinting towards, Lynea :P
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No. It was directed at Kemii talking about weapon speed for Main-Hand only. Slow speed is important for both weapons.
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DK's and Warriors have the lowest AGI crit conversion at .62 paladins being higher at .74 or something (not 100%) and rogues/shaman/druids/hunters all the same conversion at .82 or w/e. Point is Agi is a terrible stat. I agree you dont have to aim for 26exp, but this is a list for people to cap those stats. It seems you just scrolled through and didnt read the whole thing which is fine due to how long it is. Also your BiS isnt even hit capped w/o your Nerves of Cold Steel talent. Also Haste scales under Crit for Frost DK's till you get around 27-32% unbuffed. Thats when Crit becomes useless for us. DK DoTs dont crit and noone runs BCB due to it only being about 3-4% of your damage. I'd rather the 8 crit for Subversion on OB. Your BiS list looks like you read a 3.3.5a Frost DK guide based on ICC gear. Stats/Rotations/Gemming arent the same... they're similar but there are things to be moved around to maximize your dps. This BiS list gives you EXP cap/Hit Cap and if you're alliance y ou're Spell Hit capped w/o gemming/enchanting for anything. That's the point of this. I do however really appreciate the comment and some of the items will be added into this list for more options.
I fail quoted here.. This is directed towards Kemii, also you said something about how I didnt give Orcs an option for axes when In Weapon2's line it clearly talks about Son's of Hodir rep axes or The Key from The Violet Hold. You really need to read it if you planned on arguing in the thread man.Edited: January 10, 2016
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http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Critical_strike
http://forums.elitistjerks.com/forum...ng-remembered/
You do realize that agility isn't the only stat on the items, right? You also realize that strength DPS weapons are also incredibly difficult to come by also?
How valid is the list then?
Why does that matter when it is a mandatory talent?
"Useless"? And how do you plan on getting that far on crit in a "pre-raid" set?
With a fair amount of arp, BCB is literally the largest DPS gain per talent point for a FDK.
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