[Guide] Vast's Assassination Rogue Bis Lists t7/t8/t8hm

**gad777x** · February 15, 2016

**quachzepro** · February 15, 2016

You forgot ranged weapon. and Maybe http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44011 + 4 SET is a bit better than http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40541 + 4 set. Rest is GEGE!

**Fabix** · February 15, 2016

According to rawr http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=44011 + http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40541 + http://wotlk.openwow.com/item=40539 is slightly better than any other setup. Could be Rawrs fault though.

**gad777x** · February 15, 2016

Quach and I agree that 4 set + hands/legs nets more dps.

**quachzepro** · February 15, 2016

Well if u skip 4 set and wear these pieces you get the following :

+74 AP
+20 hit rating
+83 expertise rating
+63 ArP
-24 Agi
-41 Crit
-60 Haste
And you lose 4 p Bonus.

So comment what u think is better and why :P

**Fabix** · February 16, 2016

Originally Posted by quachzepro

Well if u skip 4 set and wear these pieces you get the following :

+74 AP
+20 hit rating
+83 expertise rating
+63 ArP
-24 Agi
-41 Crit
-60 Haste
And you lose 4 p Bonus.

So comment what u think is better and why :P

I am pretty sure that the 4piece bonus of the T7 set is one of the worst there is dps-wise. E.g. in a whole S2D encounter (which is obviously far from benchmark-encounters but i didn't have any other at my hand) i only did 55 envenoms which is a total of 1925 energy. 5% would net you an amount of 96 energy total which equals 1.74 mutilates.

Yes i am pretty sure since we are completely relying on our whitehit and poison damage that especially the expertice and the AP will outperform the 4set bonus by a good amount.

But if you have any data of backing this all up, i would be pleased to hear it.

**quachzepro** · February 16, 2016

It reduces energy of Mutilate by 3 not envenom but yea its tricky and needs some calculations. I used 200 Mutilates in our sarth + 3d so gained about 300 energy from the bonus.

which means around 6 extra mutilates and its not just the extra mutilates dont forget about Envenom buff uptime because of these extra 6 muti's idk bro hard to find exact answers w/o any spreadsheets available atm.

**Fabix** · February 16, 2016

Originally Posted by quachzepro

It reduces energy of Mutilate by 3 not envenom but yea its tricky and needs some calculations. I used 200 Mutilates in our sarth + 3d so gained about 600 energy from the bonus.

I stand corrected in case of 4P then, should probably read more comprehensively before I talk.Anyways, I did about 180 Mutilate hits in that fight (which equals 90 Mutilates) so thats about 247,5 energy which is another 4.5 more mutilates. I am still not sure if the 4P is worth it since the stats you gain are definitely quite an improvement.

The only thing i can recall to is the Rawr calculation which obviously could have some errors resulting in wrong outcomes. But until this is figured out I personally will go for the 3 offset + 3 t7.5 combination.

**gad777x** · February 16, 2016

More energy>More mutilates>More envenom uptime > more deeps

its rly tricky to calculate and it also will vary fight to fight , I am sticking to my 4p bonus

@Fabix you forget to take into consideration that its not only those 4.5 mutilates you sacrifice you sacrifice poisons procs, envenom uptime and the benefits from it . Having said that , Im still not convinced :)

**quachzepro** · February 16, 2016

Ok so APPROXIMATELY we get 26 Ap ( 78 ap - 24 agi ).
We already have 268 hit with this gear so +20 hit wont have so much value apart from white hits.
+83 expertise is good as we can replace expertise gems with AP so count it as ( 166 ap )
+63 ArP ( not so valueable stat for muti rogues but its ok )
-41 crit ( pretty imp stat ) equi to 82 ap approx
-60 haste ( pretty imp stat ) equi to 120 ap approx

So 202 Ap IS LOST and 192 ap + 63 ArP and + 20 hit ( that only benefits white hits ) is gained ( and we lose Set Bonus )

CLOWN FIESTA CALCULATIONS but yea.

**deathmenot** · February 16, 2016

can u make a pre raid bis? with eoh and rdf items

**gad777x** · February 16, 2016

not really relevant anymore but feel free to /w me anytime if you have questions ill try to help out
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**deathmenot** · February 17, 2016

wouldnt "tears of bitter anguish" and " fury of five flights" be better trinkets "mark of norgannon"can be used if below expertise cap

**Vikicka** · February 17, 2016

Originally Posted by deathmenot

wouldnt "tears of bitter anguish" and " fury of five flights" be better trinkets "mark of norgannon"can be used if below expertise cap

tears is not better than mirror / card.

**Beargrillz** · February 29, 2016

Is it worth going for the expertise cap or is it better to gem ap? Coz u know get 80% energy refund when u fail to hit with envenom if talanted adn u still can benefit from the envenom buff

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