Cba argue over talents cuz it all depends on indivituals playstyle. But without http://wotlk.openwow.com/spell=49589 u will lose to a 1k gs hunter, some other ranged classes, u will miss nice moments, for example in AV theres usually 10v10 situations, just grip them 1 by 1, gg. Ill state also that this is based on my expereience as 1.2-1,3 resi with 46k hp, so i find Rime to be VERY good cause it procs alot. Chilblains is useless because i don't use glyph of diseases, and u usually just end up using chains every 5-10sec in almost every situation. And Imp frost press increases my health for like 3k. Dem double healing death strikes at 46k hp :d
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Wtf DK is the most hybrid-friendly class there is in Wotlk. Blood with un-dispellable diseases is more viable than blood with DRW IMO. http://rpgworld.altervista.org/335/d...00100000000000
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Agree! But, no Veteran of the Third War? o:
For blood PvP with unholy blight, imho:
Without pet, no rune tap (play with a healer): http://wotlk.openwow.com/talent#jfVrVh0IsbofosxZfMGh0fz
With perm pet, no rune tap (play with healer): http://wotlk.openwow.com/talent#jfVr...osZZfMGh0fdM0z
Without pet, with rune tap for Solo: http://wotlk.openwow.com/talent#jfVRqI0IobofosxZfMGh0fz
With perm pet, with rune tap for Solo: http://wotlk.openwow.com/talent#jfVR...osZZfMGh0fdM0z
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You may be right. I think I built this spec around a low strength gear set, but I am using it on my strength stacked DK. I might just switch that.
Analysis: On my DK I have nearly as much strength as is practical, just under 2.5k with horn of winter on, 877 resil, full str gems. 3 talent points would get me 150 str and 300 stamina, so about 300 ap and 3k hp. My ap in blood presence with double DV is 7227, frost presence 7515. My parry is a hair under 16% in either presence. So between that and 3/3 Spell Deflection, it's a 4% boost in AP (blood presence) and a 9% boost in hp (blood presence) vs a 16% chance to take 45% less spell dmg. I think the expertise is negligible. I'd say one is not clearly better, but with my strength, I may go with veteran.
On your specs, I'd suggest getting rid of Blood Caked Blade and Dirge and putting them in Impurity. I think the damage increase is substantial, but I haven't tested it formally. I don't think rune tap is worth it even without a healer, except for just dueling, but that also has to do with personal playstyle.
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Dk is the most flexible class when it comes to not only Talents but also gear and glyphs .. this is what makes DKs op but other players dont understand it for an example if u enter arena as frost or blood u will get laughed at instantly cuz other classes only know unholy dks
AS A DK you can :
TANK as Blood , Frost , Unholy , HYPRID
DPS as Blood , Frost , Unholy , HYPRID
PVP as Blood, Forst , Unholy , HYPRID
YOU just need to know how to manipulate gear , stats and rotations.
I ve been a dk since the release of wrath , i run my own spec hyprid .. 27.44.0 .. my obliterate hits 10k with relentless gear
I have many other viable specs both pvp pve .. I hope soon I will share them with u guys.
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U can never outdps a Frost DK on single target fight.
U can never outdps a Unholy DK on multiple target fight.
U can never tank better than a Blood DK.
U can go and spec 27/26/18 and feel like a Uniqorn or a Fluffyrabbit, but it wont work as good.
Ive been a DK since the release of Wrath, and i tryed everything, some stuff are simply not ment to be when it comes to WotLK...
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Not true outside ICC. It's not even true in ICC on anything that requires you to tank adds but that is mostly due to the DnD bug.
This is my favorite spec to tank dungeons/solo with. 6 death runes all the time, pet is a portable nuke that explodes for 10-20k. Full Rune Tap and Death Strike healing. Group support with Mark of Blood and AMZ. Stack a bit of crit and you can easily pull 6-10k DPS on trash AFK, drinking your morning coffee.
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If u ask me, there is a good reason why ur best choice when tanking Lich King 25m hc is Blood DK.
On top of that, i dont know which Boss in ICC requires u to tank multiple targets constantly. Even if there is such a fight, u should take some other tank that has better AoE aggro. DK is made for Boss tanking alone how i see it, nothing much u can do about it. Also, if 2/12 bosses have some high AoE tanking, u shouldnt spec for those 2 bosses alone from my pov.
As for the dungeon/solo spec u linked, i feel like BCB and talents in Improved AMS/AMZ and Mark of Blood are wasted.
BCB is RNG talent when it comes to TwoHanded DK.
Less spell dmg taken is not needed how i see it since the point of that spec is more aggro.
Id go for something like:
http://wotlk.evowow.com/?talent#j0E0...0guht0bx0ux0uu
Points from Desolation could be put in Desecration, Outbreak or Unholy Command.
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The best spec for LK is technically a hybrid spec. Blood is overall the best spec in ICC, but saying it's best on every fight is just not true. Absolute piss AoE makes frost a better alternative for Deathwhisper/Valithria/Gunship/LK OT. Outside of ICC the gap is much closer, Unholy is actually a viable tanking spec and blood is no longer double dipping from % heals.
DKs aren't made for boss tanking, blood DKs are. Frost is a good AoE tank with solid EH and the ability to kite 10+ mobs from 30 yrds away, Unholy can make a better blood DK outside of ICC.
This is a spec I made for myself, it's purpose isn't more damage or aggro, it's fun. Mark of Blood and AMZ are in it because they're fun to use, as opposed to Desolation, which is a horrible and boring tanking talent for 5 points. The reason Blood Cake is there is because I like the synergy it has with Bryntroll. I don't know why you trade a rare buff like Ebon Plaguebringer for common trash like Abomination's Might, you'll do less damage, provide less of your best buff and do even less damage when you have a hunter/enh shaman in your group. The only other talents I would consider picking are Unholy Command, Desecration and Ghoul Frenzy because there are some interesting things you can do with those.Edited: June 29, 2017
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http://wotlk.evowow.com/?talent#j0ERqI0Icbobs
This is the base (with some posible changes midtree) for best survability + single target aggro spec.
It doesnt matter if u decide to finish it like:
http://wotlk.evowow.com/?talent#j0ER...soZhxbxVMhzZ0o
Or like:
http://wotlk.evowow.com/?talent#j0ER...bsoZhxbxMMZ0tb
Its still a Blood Spec and the only diference is:
U lose 20% Haste Raid Aura, 5% Haste selfbuff, more KM procs for 10sec less CD on DnD.
Aslong DnD is bugged, it wont matter how u spend ur talents, Prot Paladin will always be better when it comes to AoE threat.
This isnt retail where every class is good at everything, u chose what u want to play depending on what job u want to do.
When it comes to those ICC bosses u mentioned:
LDW - u can tank 3 adds as Blood easy, in p2 u should be on the boss.
Gunship - jump over and tank Saurfang.
VDW - tank abos and those exploding mobs.
LK - I tanked this boss with DK, Prot Pala and Feral. Only as DK i feel safe and confident that i can solo tank it with posible sac or dsac in case Healers are grabbed. So again, u should main tank and time ur CDs.
As for Frost DK tank, again, Prot Paladin is better.
U dont spec into assasination cos combat is better overall... U dont spec into arms cos fury is better...
Sure, it can be fun, but fun isnt as good for the raid overall.
3 points from BCB put into 3/5 Desolation are better choice if u ask me.
And as for Plaguebringer, considering its a dungeon spec, i think 10% atk power grp buff and 2% strength is better than 9% extra spell dmg done and 1% crit.
As for Unholy, i dont understand the logic behind it.
Blood is better for LK, the boss that can one shot u.
Unholy is bad on LK but better on other bosses...
How i see it, if u survive LK with Blood u can survive everything else...
Again, dont get me wrong, u an spec w/e u want...
Hell, spec like:
http://wotlk.evowow.com/?talent#j0ER...hxbxVMczZfzGIz
Idc, if its fun for u do it...
But its simply not better than other specs or other classes depending on what job u are there for.
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You said you can't tank better than blood with any of the other specs, which is wrong and that's my point. Just like blood is better on LK, frost is better on some encounters. You can do those encounters as blood, just like you can do LK as frost but the right spec for the appropriate encounter will always perform better. If DnD ever gets fixed, then I will concede the need for a frost offspec.
Edited: June 29, 2017
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The only ICC encounter that can realistically be considered challenging where AoE aggro presents itself as an issue is Lady Deathwhisper on heroic. And yeah, even then you also ought to have the option of having the other tank OT, or having some of the DPS assist in threat transfer.
Also AoE aggro is also really not even remotely relevant on LK.
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Out of 53 WotLK Bosses (if i counted right), there are 5-10 fights in which u need to tank couple of extra adds during a Boss Fight. Most of those are doable as a Blood Tank without the need of reducing the CD on DnD (going in Unholy talent tree). More importanly in each one of those fights u can be a Main Tank and let the Off Tank (Prot Paladin) do the Add job.
With highest single target threar generation (Icy Touch + TH Rune Strike) and most Deffencive CDs, DK should be played as a main tank. Thats atleast how i see it.
I love Frost DK tank, it has fun and insane amount of Single Target Threat and nice AoE one aswell, but when it comes to survival, its not as geared (talent wise) as Blood is.
I never feel safe as any other class when it comes to tanking as much as i do with Blood DK, looking at both Aggro and Survival aspect of tanking.
And as someone that did his best to make hybrid specs work, both DPS and Tanking, again, some specs are not ment to be in WotLK (rip sm frost dps). :'(
U can do solid and nice dps tanking with those fun specs, but not as good as the real one.
The only reason people are even talking about fun specs is cos they are overgeared and overbuffed in ICC.
Like, think about it, if u needed every single DPS, Tank, Healer giving his best, not slacking for 1sec the whole run, doing everything in his might to maximise performance, do u think people would even consider anything else exept whats best for the job they want to do?
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Also afaik DND's threat has been working mostly fine for several months now, unless something broke again recently.
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I just checked and this appears to be true. Omen is giving me the correct values on one and multiple targets. Seems like the real issue is just that DnD is too slow and not spammable enough to fix blood's aoe problem on its own.
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