WotLK [Guide] Combat Rogue - The top kek DPS, In depth guide

[Fluffybully]

i'm playing orc rogue but i dont like her visual. i wanna go to blood elf but lil bit scaring about to dps difference. its big or doesnt matter? (full buff in icc etc.)

Unless you feel like min-maxing stuff then no it doesnt't matter.

This is outdated, agil+haste is better than agi+crit in the gem slots, run a sim craft on both and you'll see the difference, Ive ran full hit build, full agi, agi+crit in yellows and agi+haste in yellows. Agi+haste wins every time. More autos = More auto dmg = more energy regen from off hand. Crit is rng and those agi crit gems are such a small increase that the crit rng is basically the same without them.

Which sims? How about some screenshots, etc.. etc.. And unless wotlk changed in the 11y then no it's not outdated

Yo fluffy, you still active?
Two questions. 1) When you're about to transition on LK, do you build your CPs for SnD to have it on Ragings, or you spend it all on LK?
2) If noone puts sunders, I should use Expose right, and what would priorities be if I have to use Expose and I'm on rupture spec? do I wait for at
least 4 CPs or spend those earlier if I can squeeze it?
I'm asking it here on forums cause someone else might have the same question. Greetings

Active no, german internet is bad, then a random ban that many pepps got(even tho i was inactive in the 1st place) but i still lurk around every now and then
1) I try to get off a 3-5CP SnD right before the transition starts, so that I got SnD up when the ragings spawn and still got enuf time to refresh that SnD.
2) Use nice mean words to the warriors if they dun use sunders. But yeah expose has prio in that case. Then depending on timers you can 1-5 CP expose(it has to be glyphed in our case, else go for 4+ CP) and then you pop your ruptures up.

[bigcrazy]

Hi Fluffy, I've been reading your guide and I come to read it again every time I need to refresh some info about rogues, it's an awesome guide. But now I feel like I'm in a dead point with my rogue where I don't see that much DPS increase with the upgrades I made recently and I feel like it's time to make some big changes but not sure what it's the best option here.

First of all: https://armory.warmane.com/character...ecrown/summary

I've been using 4t10 cause I got it quickly with VOA and EoF event. I know that is for BiS or near BiS, but I wasn't focused on ArPen yet and this set was working pretty good for me always keeping hit never below 315 (around 322), exp capped and +45% (around 49%) crit unbuffed, gemming agi/crit with spec/glyphed Rupture and Low-Rupture rotation. With all of this I was pushing 13k~ sustained DPS in fights like DBS 25HC and never going down 11.5k (12k in most cases) DPS in other bosses of ICC 25HC except Sindy and LK with 5.5k GS. In dummies was pushing sustained 5.1k~ with 5.5k GS. Note: I'm Blood Elf and still don't have JC+Eng cause I've been lazy but coming soon.

Recently I changed http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50302 for http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50654 and I went from 5.1k~ to 5.7k~ sustained DPS and higher burst (8k~) in dummies (without buffs) but I didn't see that much increase in raid, just like 13.5k~ now. I'm getting better gear like http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50670 but I feel like numbers are harder to go up.

Right now my stats are these:
Hit: 316 (9.64% for melee, 12.05% for poisons)
Expertise: 132 (26/26)
ArPen: Soft-capped with NES, 723 (51.66%)
Crit: 52.01% unbuffed (your formula says that my crit cap is 61.116% but don't know if it takes in count the expertise talent so buffed I'll be passing this I guess)

I was thinking some options but here is where I need any advice.
-1st and the most radical: Change to 2t10 and gem full ArPen.
For this option I got http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50656 but still don't have http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50697 , so I will use http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=48246 to compensate the lack of hit. Replacing http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47883 with http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47659 I get exp capped w/o gems and extra ArPen. Going full ArPen means to change http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50198 for another trinket, but I only got http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40684 and can purchase http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50355 . With JC at least and re-gemming the results will look like:
Hit: 319
Expeertise: 134 (26/26)
Crit: 43-44%~
ArPen: 1125 (80.35%) (with JC) / 1220 (87.14%) (with JC + ArPen Food and Elixir)

-2nd: Keep this set and going for another stat to gem instead of crit, whilst I keep getting ArPen items to reach hard cap later.
For this option I'm not sure about what will give me the most DPS increase since you said in other comments that hit and haste are close to each other.

Another 2 options will be:
-3rd: Going 2t10 and keep the same gemming (agi/crit) or go for agi/haste or agi/hit, whilst I get better ArPen gear. With this option will have almost the same ArPen and will gem more of other stats since hit will be almost capped with gear, but maybe less crit.
-4th: Keep the same **** and be patience. Gemming ArPen with this set I think is pointless since I could only reach around 61% ArPen cause of the lack of hit. As you said, is for BiS going ArPen with 4t10 so is not an option then, but you will tell at the end.

I'm actually 5797 GS and I was hoping to push +14k~ in DBS at this gear. Hope you can clarify this to me cause I'm scared to mess it up since I'm not rich to re-gem many times xd

Thank you for your time. I'll wait for your answer :D

P.S. Sorry if my english ain't that good xd

[Fluffyinsect]

You can either persue hit and ARP cap, Hit and Crit cap with haste gear/gems alongside it. Check the sheets for the best option.

However i'd ditch banner for War Token. It's way superior.

But yeah DPS increase will come with better gear and of course having JC and Engi enchants.

Cheers

p.s. send u some goldz for gems

[bigcrazy]

You can either persue hit and ARP cap, Hit and Crit cap with haste gear/gems alongside it. Check the sheets for the best option.

However i'd ditch banner for War Token. It's way superior.

But yeah DPS increase will come with better gear and of course having JC and Engi enchants.

Cheers

p.s. send u some goldz for gems

All right, I'll check it out and do the changes, thank you a lot Fluffy :D

[Charmer]

Good day Fluffy, thanks for the guide, we've been using it as a foundation and a secure source for information.
Here's the armory http://armory.warmane.com/character/...daeron/summary.
My GF just collected enough EoF to buy her first gear with them, but not sure which piece to get, if anyone has an idea which is best considering her stats that would be much appreciated. What should she aim for/what's overcapped what's low, I am not sure with those things and I don't wanna lie to her, we are trying to get into raiding and getting the last pieces of gear before trying.
Also any tips to increase DPS? I am a prot pala same gearscore as her and she is usually around my numbers, she is doing the rotations correctly, SnD never drops, Blade Flurry comboed with Killing Spree, uses Rupture when all the ticks will be used, otherwise Eviscerate, Fan of Knives when 3+mobs around, Adrenaline Rush on CD... Not sure what we are missing, thanks.

[madafake]

Hey there Fluffy, very nice guide. I've learned a lot from it and I really enjoy maining my first rogue.

I mostly raid with combat, and do dungeons as assassination. But I am in a need of advice. See, I don't like farming a lot of gear and having two sets on me. However, I like playing both specs so having two sets is needed, gear-wise and gem-wise in order for them to perform well. My main spec is combat, and as I play I will gather more gear for assassination, which is going along very nicely. I do only 10 and 25 ICC, since my position in guild is on lower rank. Farming eofs and marks for two gear sets is limited and boring for me. Gear on me is mostly 264il, but it needs work because I am on stage where agility is still better then ArP. So what's your advice ?

[Fluffybully]

Good day Fluffy, thanks for the guide, we've been using it as a foundation and a secure source for information.
Here's the armory http://armory.warmane.com/character/...daeron/summary.
My GF just collected enough EoF to buy her first gear with them, but not sure which piece to get, if anyone has an idea which is best considering her stats that would be much appreciated. What should she aim for/what's overcapped what's low, I am not sure with those things and I don't wanna lie to her, we are trying to get into raiding and getting the last pieces of gear before trying.
Also any tips to increase DPS? I am a prot pala same gearscore as her and she is usually around my numbers, she is doing the rotations correctly, SnD never drops, Blade Flurry comboed with Killing Spree, uses Rupture when all the ticks will be used, otherwise Eviscerate, Fan of Knives when 3+mobs around, Adrenaline Rush on CD... Not sure what we are missing, thanks.

Am not sure if you did read my guide since there is a 20 Strenght Gem inside the chest piece... That same question goes for your other questions as they are mostly all answered.

But tl;dr
she needs, gems, enchants and leveling up engi/jc. Does she have any other gear pieces fists/daggers? If yes consinder respecing to Fist/Dagger talents, getting expertise to 26/26 and then pumping up crit to around 52-54% unbuffed w/o dropping hit rating.
As for EoF I would get the Herkuml War Token.
Then its just a matter of getting better gear and doing proper rotation.

Hey there Fluffy, very nice guide. I've learned a lot from it and I really enjoy maining my first rogue.

I mostly raid with combat, and do dungeons as assassination. But I am in a need of advice. See, I don't like farming a lot of gear and having two sets on me. However, I like playing both specs so having two sets is needed, gear-wise and gem-wise in order for them to perform well. My main spec is combat, and as I play I will gather more gear for assassination, which is going along very nicely. I do only 10 and 25 ICC, since my position in guild is on lower rank. Farming eofs and marks for two gear sets is limited and boring for me. Gear on me is mostly 264il, but it needs work because I am on stage where agility is still better then ArP. So what's your advice ?

Advice to what? If it is to raid with both specs then you already know the answer.

[Charmer]

Thanks for the reply Fluffy, she is currently saving up for gems and Berserking for both weapons, we weren't sure if gemming/enchanting is mandatory at this level of gear, she is also farming toc5 normal for the Banner so she doesn't have to buy the War Token and use the Emblems for a back/waist piece, she doesn't have any better weapons fists/daggers so we aren't respecing

[Abehl]

What poison would you recommend for the slow OH for FoK?

[Fluffybully]

What poison would you recommend for the slow OH for FoK?

Instant Poison IX

[AlbertsR133]

so i dont know what to do with trinkets, what should i aim for and replace first, atm i have 1047 arp without buffs food and trinket proc
any suggestions?

heres armory
http://armory.warmane.com/character/...ecrown/summary

[Fluffybully]

Fixed crit-cap macro

[OK]

Does mongoose really worth when u are under crit cap?great guide though

[z00mbie]

Fixed crit-cap macro

The macro you posted is incorrect.
Inorder to calculate the White Hit Crit Cap for rogue.
Out of total 100%
24% of your attacks will be glancing hits.
4.8% will convert into hit because of crit suppression mechanics.
To make it in maths it becomes
100%-24-4.8=71.1%.
Now remember till this point miss chance hasnt been included in it.
So 71.1% - Miss chance you have right now=White Hit Crit Cap.
White hit cap is 27%. Through that you can calculate the your miss chance you are having. You can also add up daranei hit as well if you want. I would say you should, because in raid usually you have racial hit as well.
This macro works as well:
/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage ("Your crit cap for white attacks is "..(0.712-(214-GetCombatRating(24))*0.000305-(722-GetCombatRating(6))*0.000305)*100)
If you want to include heroic presence, add 0.01 somewhere in the equation. On second thought just subtract 33 (or 32.79 if you want it more accurate) from the 722 if you want to include heroic presence. While 0.01 does work mostly, if you happen to be hit and expertise capped it will give you a false number. Also you need to adjust the 214 and the 722 figure if you are not 5/5 Precision and 0/2 Weapon Expertise.
Courtsey: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...-Cap-FAQ/page2
Feel free to read that forum, i suggest every new rogue. You will end up learning new theorycrafting stuff regarding rogues. I did myself as well.

[z00mbie]

Does mongoose really worth when u are under crit cap?great guide though

Moongoose isnt worth it if you are crit cap.
Moongoose provides you 120 agility, which then turns up into AP and Critical Strike of yours.
The Attack Power from 120 agility is no match compare to Beserking Enchant. While the critical strike gain is no use if you are above crit cap raitng.
The best in enchant in this wotlk for rogue is always Berserking.