Actually I wouldn't call it hardcore either, at least not to my definition of hardcore, but just A LOT more difficult than what retail wotlk raids were like which is the same on Icecrown here. But there is definitely something "hardcore" -like about raiding on lordaeron when you see these new posts popping up every single day about how difficult even the starting raids are and even just the time it takes to get into them, whether it's because people don't have much time like yourself Funky and they just expect too much for the effort they put into it or it could be because people are simply not good enough at the game. Yet, those raids are doable, they aren't easy, you're not gonna faceroll 15 naxx bosses in an hour or so, but it can be done if you're raiding with a group of players who are dedicated enough to spend the hours needed to do it. Because if there was nothing hardcore-like about raiding on lordaeron, then there would be no raiding guilds at all; all of us, the raiding guilds, would simply switch to icecrown to have it easier when leveling alts, professions, farming gold etc. if those were the only things that made playing on lordaeron more difficult when all we play for is raiding. But no, not really..