[CONFIRMED] Outland: The Burning Crusade realm announcement

[Karesinda]

People asking and complaining about it not being x1 that's because some people don't have a month to hit the cap, AHEM LORD.
That's why everyone went to Icecrown, it's much easier to obtain the necessary levels and much easier to obtain gold.
I understand people want the full blizzlike experience, but a lot of us have already experienced x1 rates on retail and it was slow and tedious.
We're here to experience the fun game play, not spend a month grinding and questing to even hit cap (while grinding is fun to some the majority it is not).

Having said that, can we get an estimate of when the PTR is gonna go live?

[Drathan]

Might aswell make respec cost 1 copper instead of complicating things with website additions

Sounds like a great idea.
Coupled with an addon that lets you save specs, it could be more or less the same as dual spec (minus being able to switch while on the move)

[eiLo]

Dear administrators of the project Warmane. You forced the community TBC to hold their breath. I have my own opinion and suggestions
1) The store must contain exclusively the things for fun: mounts, pets, bags, tabards and so on... maybe vanilla items
2) PVE content I ask to do before nerf, as wanted to make corecraft it will allow to feel the spirit of TBC content and increase population
3) Reit on the experience is better to make the average x3, x5 is very fast
All these points will increase online on your server

[legooo]

I am fine with x5 rate, as long as other rates are x1, the only thing that matters to me is the shop.If the shop includes all max level items it will be pointless to talk about progression realm.

[Drathan]

Having said that, can we get an estimate of when the PTR is gonna go live?

I second this. Installed TBC as soon as I saw the announcement :D

[icelego]

It has been said

PTR goes live on April 11

[Araphaenon]

You're either misunderstanding or you're misrepresenting what was said. Lordaeron was indeed created as a vision of what we want - but it brings us ZERO income. We cannot put food on the table with that.

Yes, that is indeed a point that is very understandable. Most of us weren't really complaining about you creating an Icecrown-ish server, but rather showing the demand for a pure Lordaeron-like vision realized in a TBC environment.

We didn't expect a TBC server to be made, and are extremely thankful for the work put into it. But at the same time we are demonstrating our interest in making a server with more blizzlike/hardcore settings, probably as another realm beside Outland -- as you yourself said in your post that with sufficient interest present, you might create a realm akin to Lordaeron. We certainly weren't trying to insult the result of lots of your development time, even if the server is going to have settings that are not to our liking, and even if we might wait for the creation of the possibly upcoming second server.

I'm also pretty sure a lot of people would be even willing to donate to Warmane should that dream be realized, not to gain any specific item, just to make that balance you're talking about slightly positive. (Not sure what the operational costs of a server are, but at least the TBC core should be able to easily be shared between the two realms.)

[Gnimo]

Some fun facts:
1. Coin shop keeps server alive. More donations more money to keep **** up and fix em.
2. Every time they release something u QQ about it. Stop QQing and for start just STOP. Think for a sec, try to see things from their perspective. Would u host a server and actualy lose money or host a high population one and actualy earn some? Try to give some suggestions like lowering respec cost cos of no dual talent specialisation. If they do it great. If they dont u are playing a TBC server. Cant wait for vanila release to see some awesome nerf boss requests. Its fun how u want dual talents but u dont want x5 or coin shop cos its not blizzlike...
3. There are people that want to play on x1 blizzlike realm. There are people that want to skip the aids part and play the end game raiding only (myself included). 3x and 5x realm when it comes to expirience ONLY and a coin shop server are a perfect start. If there are bunch of ppl playing TBC they will make more diferent realms for sure...
4. Population on non wotlk servers are basicly so low I wonder every they why are they wasting money on them every day... Ofc they are going to focus on WotLK and posibly TBC cos they get more money out of it. If u had a store, would u push and sell a product that costs u more money than ut actualy gave u back or a cheap product that gave u **** ton of money?
5. Hosting a private server is a business like every other. U couldnt chose on Blizzard servers what u wanted, all u could do is play or simply dont. Wait for the release and suggest some things they might actualy like and do, instead of QQing 24/7 and actualy making them make a x200 lvl 255 realm with every free item and custom stuff on top of that.

[icelego]

There are many tbc servers out there with no item shop and hardcore. Why don't you just go play there? If you QQ everything about warmane, just go find a different private server. No one is forcing to stay.

Yes, that is indeed a point that is very understandable. Most of us weren't really complaining about you creating an Icecrown-ish server, but rather showing the demand for a pure Lordaeron-like vision realized in a TBC environment.

We didn't expect a TBC server to be made, and are extremely thankful for the work put into it. But at the same time we are demonstrating our interest in making a server with more blizzlike/hardcore settings, probably as another realm beside Outland -- as you yourself said in your post that with sufficient interest present, you might create a realm akin to Lordaeron. We certainly weren't trying to insult the result of lots of your development time, even if the server is going to have settings that are not to our liking, and even if we might wait for the creation of the possibly upcoming second server.

I'm also pretty sure a lot of people would be even willing to donate to Warmane should that dream be realized, not to gain any specific item, just to make that balance you're talking about slightly positive. (Not sure what the operational costs of a server are, but at least the TBC core should be able to easily be shared between the two realms.)

[Araphaenon]

There are many tbc servers out there with no item shop and hardcore. Why don't you just go play there? If you QQ everything about warmane, just go find a different private server. No one is forcing to stay.

I'm sorry? I thought I was being civil and respectful, but if not, I apologize. I love the work they do and I was just joining in a discussion which was overflowing with people saying what they would or would not like -- in full knowledge of the fact that the decision is not ultimately theirs, just expressing their opinion.

[daniotoppi]

but the download on website of TBC work ?

[IcarNS]

Mercy, first of all, thank you for answering about my post. I did not write it with any objective that wasn't to share my opinion, harmlessly. I hope it wasn't considered some sort of attack, since this thread is full of them. I really appreciate the effort and work you all put in the servers.

With that being said, I'd like to answer what you wrote. You refer, with your first intervention, to Icecrown as the realm that hosts most of the player-base, which is true, but you do it to justfy your design of the new server by saying that this player-base likes these realm's characteristics. What I think is that releasing a new expansion in here creates a lot of incoming people, not from Warmane's. So, I think you should look at what tBC community desires the most, as average, outside this community. This way you are going to adapt your realm to the future player-base of it. I hope it makes sense, since I'm not a native English-speaker and I might over-complicate my argumentations and mess them up.

Now, referring to your second intervention. I guess you are right about most players being tired of leveling since they have already done it several times (although I do not share this boredom relating leveling), but I feel like you are limiting the desireable gaming experience right from the beginning by boosting everyone to the maximum-level content. A nice approatch to this, which I take from many fellow community people that have already said this, is to swap between high rates when in vanilla content to mid-low rates when you start the actual expansion's content, AKA Outland.

About the shop. There are plenty of ways to approach this matter, but I personally think that one of the best of them is to let people boost themselves buying stuff all the way to a maximum, which should be set by the realm's progression status. I.e. you should let them buy items that let's you skip lower content, older, but not the last one available.

Thanks again for reading, have a nice day.

[Mercy]

but the download on website of TBC work ?

Yes it does.

[Mercy]

Mercy, first of all, thank you for answering about my post. I did not write it with any objective that wasn't to share my opinion, harmlessly. I hope it wasn't considered some sort of attack, since this thread is full of them. I really appreciate the effort and work you all put in the servers.

Not at all. I just hope that it clarified some things.

With that being said, I'd like to answer what you wrote. You refer, with your first intervention, to Icecrown as the realm that hosts most of the player-base, which is true, but you do it to justfy your design of the new server by saying that this player-base likes these realm's characteristics. What I think is that releasing a new expansion in here creates a lot of incoming people, not from Warmane's. So, I think you should look at what tBC community desires the most, as average, outside this community. This way you are going to adapt your realm to the future player-base of it. I hope it makes sense, since I'm not a native English-speaker and I might over-complicate my argumentations and mess them up.

I'm not saying they like it. That would be an assumption. However, it is clear that the realm is in a state that is acceptable enough for them to be willing to play on. I do understand that there are a lot of people out there in the private server community that would love a better server than what is currently available to them, and I'm sure many of them will look to us to provide such a thing, in the event that our initial realm does not suit their needs. I do definitely hope that we can provide that for them eventually. However, please understand that we have to provide based on things we observe within our own community. We have to start from somewhere, and I do hope that you understand that us opening a TBC realm is a huge risk for us. We have to play it safe if we want to be sure that we will be successful with it.

Now, referring to your second intervention. I guess you are right about most players being tired of leveling since they have already done it several times (although I do not share this boredom relating leveling), but I feel like you are limiting the desireable gaming experience right from the beginning by boosting everyone to the maximum-level content. A nice approatch to this, which I take from many fellow community people that have already said this, is to swap between high rates when in vanilla content to mid-low rates when you start the actual expansion's content, AKA Outland.

About the shop. There are plenty of ways to approach this matter, but I personally think that one of the best of them is to let people boost themselves buying stuff all the way to a maximum, which should be set by the realm's progression status. I.e. you should let them buy items that let's you skip lower content, older, but not the last one available.

Thanks again for reading, have a nice day.

There is a good chance that we will go forward with the x5 rates, however we are still reading feedback and gauging the interest of the community. Keep in mind that we are several months, at least, away from opening the realm officially.

I also appreciate you being direct. I hope you have a nice day too.

[Jelenarozgax]

When we say "popular enough" we mean as in Icecrown - a server filled to the brim, with queues at most times - not as in people requesting it in a thread. A x1 server would come mostly from necessity of opening another Burning Crusade server. What we will have for now is a x5 server with coin shop. Those aren't negotiable or up to discussion as far as I'm aware - that's the plan and set in stone.

And thank you jesus for that