1. 1 Week Ago  

    Why You Should Play MoP

    Hello All,

    I'm here to promote Frostwolf and MoP in general! I'm obviously going to be biased since I love MoP, but I will try to be as balanced as I can presenting both the good parts and bad parts of MoP. For background, I've played WoW since vanilla, having played vanilla-cata on various private servers, MoP and some WoD on retail. As you can imagine, having played WoW private servers since the very first years, I have a lot of patience in dealing with bugs. You may be different, and that is fine. I will explain how well Frostwolf is working and you can decide for yourself if its worth trying.

    Why you should consider MoP:
    The pros of MoP in general are many. I will list the most important (imo) below.

    1. MoP PvE is generally considered to have been amazing. Raids have many mechanics and were considered the best part of this expansion by many players. The raids were also pretty challenging and fun. I'm not a PvE player, so I can really only go by word of mouth. I mostly PvP'd on retail, and also mostly PvP on Frostwolf.

    2. MoP PvP is excellent. Now this is just an opinion, but I enjoy the way most classes play out in MoP. Every class has a myriad of options on what they can do as it was the expansion with the highest number of abilities in the game. Furthermore, PvE gear is virtually useless in instanced PvP. The only gear that any serious PvP'er will use is Prideful gear (ilvl 550), because any item that is not Prideful will be downscaled to ilvl 540. This means no Shadowmournes, no Gurthalaks, no Vial of the Shadows, none of that garbage. It is your skill vs. the enemies skill and whether you raid for your gear does not matter.

    3. Arenas. Arenas in MoP do not require teams. This cannot be emphasized enough. MoP allows players the flexibility of doing arenas whenever they feel like it, with whichever composition they like. Want to try something crazy like HLS (hunter/lock/shaman), but you got to 2k playing KFC (hunter/warrior/healer)? Well, now you just play with your new partners rather than leave a possibly high rank team.

    4. Rated BGs. Expansions before Cataclysm did not have Rated BGs. For those that do not know what these are, Rated BGs are essentially a 10v10 battleground with arena rules (no flasks, potions, heroism, etc.). Rated BGs have their own rating system, giving titles and mounts as rewards unique to this bracket. This is my biggest gripe with WotLK. Once you are in a PvP guild and BIS, most of your game-time revolves around deleting low geared players in Random BGs or doing arenas with the same people over and over again. Rated BGs allow you to challenge other guilds and do competitive BGs!

    5. Pandaria. Now I know many people hate Pandaria as a continent and its lore. That's fine, each to his own. I do feel the zones have a lot going on, and there is more to do in the world itself compared to Cataclysm. This is of course at a peak with Timeless Isle and pet battles.

    6. Talents. I'm sure this will trigger a lot of people, since the talent tree is one of the things people hated the most about MoP. However I feel the talents in MoP were a step in the right direction. Before MoP, every experienced WoW player knew the exact build they would need to play optimally. This was specially true in PvP since you couldn't swap talents based on the team you were playing against. As a result, we had cookie-cutter builds that we would all find online in some guide, and then use it for the rest of our gaming life. In MoP however, if you do not swap talents based on the team you are against, you may as well be stuck at 1500 mmr.

    What sucks about MoP:
    There are a fewthings that suck about MoP, and I feel if I don't mention them, people won't take my post seriously. So here they are:

    1. Gear difference in PvP. Gear has always been an issue in PvP in WoW. From Vanilla where tier 3 was ridiculous in PvP, to WotLK where Shadowmourne plagues almost all private servers, to MoP where the difference between Grevious and Prideful is quite ridiculous. HOWEVER, MoP also introduced the Conquest Catch Up system allowing new players a larger conquest points cap to get catch-up faster.

    2. Post-Cata Azeroth. Unforunately, Azeroth in MoP is still devastated just like in Cataclysm, with flying enabled. I personally think adding flying to the game at all was a huge mistake, and sadly MoP continues the trend. However, this is just part of life after Cataclysm, so there is nothing to be done here. If this is truly a deal breaker for you, then I suppose you can only really play up to WotLK as that is the last expansion in which Azeroth does not have flying.

    3. More Effective Health. In PvP the stat that is most relevant is called "Effective Health". Effective Health is essentially you're health, multiplied by damage reduction auras such as resilience, armor, etc. In MoP Effective Health is HIGH. Very high. Players simply cannot be one shot, ever. Even a naked character has close to 300k HP, and there is nothing that can hit 300k in PvP. For example, even a Chaos Bolt with everything (flasks/potions included) maxes out at about 280k. For comparison sake, Judgement in WotLK can easily hit 15k without potions, which is generally the HP of a naked character. What this means is that healers are very strong in MoP, and fights in general take very long. If you are someone that values BGs with 50 Killing Blows, or someone who wants very fast arena games (specially in 3v3), you may not enjoy the expansion. Some double DPS comps are great in 2v2 and can have fast games, but generally, healer/dps comps are superior in 2v2. Personally I enjoy the slower gameplay, but many players have told me they don't like it, so I put it here.

    As I mentioned, I love this expansion, and as such I'm struggling finding downsides in it. If you have any, please post as a reply and I will edit my post with your reply!


    Now that we have discussed why MoP is good or bad, lets consider some things about Frostwolf.

    Great things about Frostwolf:
    1. A lot of stuff works. PvP in general is close to perfect. There are bugs, but they are few and far between thanks to a lot of hardwork by our QA/Devs, as well as a lot of players who devoted a LOT of time to report bugs. Staff has been very responsive on class bugs and if you post something truly broken, it generally gets attention very quickly.

    2. All raids are open. Now, I'm not saying PvE is perfect on MoP. I don't think its even close to being perfect, PvE is where we struggle the most. However all the raids are open for players to try. There are a lot of servers out there where the raids aren't even open, so I'll take an open raid as a positive (PvE will be talked about lower)

    3. Friendly Community. Frostwolf has a VERY friendly community (based on my experience, the most friendly on the whole server). I see people complain about toxic communities a lot, so I think you should give FW a try and see if that's more to your liking. We also have a discord server now to bring the community closer (link here: https://discord.gg/4z4FESt)

    4. 3v3 Tournament. It was mentioned by Proterean that a 3v3 tournament may be happening at the end of this season for players who finish high in the arena ladder

    5. Conquest catch-up. This took a long fight, but we do have conquest catch-up enabled on Frostwolf, so gearing is a bit better now than it ever was before!

    No so great things about Frostwolf:
    1. Population. There was a time Frostwolf had a lot of population. Those days are sadly gone. The population is why I'm making this post to begin with. I think the issue with population is that it is a cycle. People leave servers that have low population, which in turn causes others to leave because of the lower population. I'm trying to reverse the cycle by increasing the population, which will bring more people and on and on. If I can sell you on the idea of MoP, I'm sure we can reverse this cycle together!

    2. PvE. PvE has a LONG way to go on Frostwolf. We have all the raids open, but there are some major issues that need to be sorted (which to the credit of the devs, they are working on them). Flexible raids are not ready yet, and there is an ID issue which is causing raiders to wait 1 hour between swapping from normal to heroic and vice versa. The QA has stated they are aware of the issue and are working on a fix which will come along with flexible IDs (the raid ID system is different in MoP. If your raid disbands after boss X is killed, you can join another raid that has X downed. This is currently also bugged on Frostwolf and should be fixed along with the 1 hour wait bug).

    3. Lack of 3v3 and Rated BG. I'm not sure why this is, we have the population for both 3v3 and Rated BGs but people just seem to not want to do them right now. I think a higher population will lead to more players being active. I also think the 3v3 tournament should help.

    Again, if you have others things that should be added to the list, please post in a reply and I will edit the post.

    To summarize this massive wall of text which is basically an essay at this point, Frostwolf struggles from only one thing, low population. We have so many things working now that we didn't have when the population was high, that it baffles me how the population is still low. I encourage all of you to join us on our discord server and ask us any questions you have. We will be glad to help in any way, and we would love if you make a character and give FW a try!
    Edited: 1 Week Ago

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  3. 1 Week Ago  
    You have alot of strong points and a very coherent and well written text.

  4. 1 Week Ago  
    If there's one thing I want people to take from the post, then its the fact that they should just give FW a try!

    Also come join our discord server if you have any questions!

  5. 1 Week Ago  
    i've ragged on mop quite a bit on the forums, due to the asain theming and panda's. and downright refused to play the expansion. few days ago however i decided to actually give it a try, as i'm quite bored of wrath. so far im lvl 53 and quite enjoying it. ran into a few bugged quests but nothing major and doesnt hinder my leveling. the guys have been great in the discord answering my questions (there's been quite a few tbh).

    all in all it's been fun so far, and i'm looking quite forward to getting to 90 and getting into some raids/pvp.

    so if like me you've always hated an expansion you never really tried because of a few things, give it a go and try to get past that. you may just enjoy yourself.

  6. 1 Week Ago  
    i've ragged on mop quite a bit on the forums, due to the asain theming and panda's. and downright refused to play the expansion. few days ago however i decided to actually give it a try, as i'm quite bored of wrath. so far im lvl 53 and quite enjoying it. ran into a few bugged quests but nothing major and doesnt hinder my leveling. the guys have been great in the discord answering my questions (there's been quite a few tbh).

    all in all it's been fun so far, and i'm looking quite forward to getting to 90 and getting into some raids/pvp.

    so if like me you've always hated an expansion you never really tried because of a few things, give it a go and try to get past that. you may just enjoy yourself.
    If you can get past the Pandas and Destro Locks one-shotting you with Chaos Bolts, it really is a fine expansion. I'd personally rate amongst my favorite expansions.

  7. 1 Week Ago  
    So i just got back from a 2 year wow break and i come back to utter annihalation of the cata server, does anyone feel like this is a good transition expansion because wotlk aint doing it for me, also does anyone know if i can transfer my cata guys up to mop as im assuming catas hitting the crapper and soon.

  8. 1 Week Ago  
    How can you play an expansion where literally first 4 of 7 quests are bugged? Once you get to panda land you wont be able to get a weapon as the quest is bugged, followed up with another 3 quests(bombing, smoke and i destroying barriers quests), wanted to re visit panda land as i actually fun for me on retail, but this has just destroyed my will to play.

    Hyjal - only like lets say 7 working quests?

    If you are new to that server, go to Vashj'ir(or get to 81-82 in icecrown) then go to deepholm(it has decent enough amount of quests working and should get you to atleast 84 and few bars). Twilight Highlands only 1 of starting few quests is working, instantly go and speak with an assasin. You can forget about any cata dungs, as non of them work.

    I know many people dont care about "low level" stuff, if you are one of them,you should be fine, but if you're like me who cares about it, you wont have fun on it.

  9. 1 Week Ago  
    Stop exaggerating about quests they are not as bugged as you make them out to be. With the exp rates you will barely notice bugged quests till mop.
    7 quests in hyjal? no you can get to 85 in hyjal if u want to 88/115 quests work there( see my post http://forum.warmane.com/showthread.php?t=355769)

    For horde side yeah the entry quests is bug but u can just fly to Tian Monastary then do Dawn's Blossom and Nectarbreeze Orchard with the scattered quests on the way. That will get you to 87-88 and you can get Quest Completionist addon to show the location of non-hub quests on the map.

    I might have to go thru the zones again or make a fresh char to see changes if any happened.

    As for the topic good job Notorious maybe more people will see it and decide to give mop a try.

  10. 1 Week Ago  
    Awesome and much needed topic. I understood why people left this realm. MOP got no love for some time and there were alot of bugs. I'm not gonna act like it's all working now but now i clearly see the amount of bugs that got fixed by great work from both devs and people such as noto and halta who spend loads of time making bug reports. I think FW now deserves more population, it's clearly alot better than it ever was, and most importantly we finally got love from devs. I also see tons of undergeared ally in bgs lately so it looks like there's plenty new people joining atm.

  11. 1 Week Ago  
    Big thumbs up! try the expansion people, you wont regret it!

  12. 1 Week Ago  
    If you can get past the Pandas and Destro Locks one-shotting you with Chaos Bolts, it really is a fine expansion. I'd personally rate amongst my favorite expansions.
    WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST PANDAS?????

    i tryed out MoP like once it as released by you guys just becus MoP HAS PANDAAASSSS

    if i could find/make patch for my orcs and taurens to look like pandas on wotlk, i'd be running with a squadron of pandas by now :<

  13. 6 Days Ago  
    Hey there, i want to collect more points but actually playing tbc and woltk seems abit slow to collect achivements points ... so is mop faster once i have a 90char can i go for 2-3k achievements easily?

  14. 6 Days Ago  
    WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST PANDAS?????

    i tryed out MoP like once it as released by you guys just becus MoP HAS PANDAAASSSS

    if i could find/make patch for my orcs and taurens to look like pandas on wotlk, i'd be running with a squadron of pandas by now :<
    I have nothing against them. But there are plenty of teenagers out there who fear them because they think it's a little-kids-thing only.

  15. 6 Days Ago  
    I have nothing against them. But there are plenty of teenagers out there who fear them because they think it's a little-kids-thing only.
    personally i dislike them do to the fact that they played little to no role in the wc game lore. (my only knowledge of lore comes from the wc games). they had 1 hidden mission in warcraft 3, that as it. would of rather seen naga or something playable. least they played a role in helpin the blood elves escape and find thier way to illidan.

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