WotLK TAiaJ vs DC HC for retri

[t0m1t0]

Hello there rets,

I have this question. I heard that the Tiny was nerfed and now has very bad proccing rate? Is this true? If that's the case did someone tested the other choices?

Best Regards,

TS

[Inoyoulikeme]

As far as I am aware the only bug with TaiaJ is it doesn't proc off of SoComm seal damage at all (it procs roughly 2x as much with SoR). However it still procs normally with SoV/SoC.

Best in slot trinkets for a Ret are still TAIAJ HC/STS HC though. Unless you are clearing trash with SoComm the bug doesn't mean much.

[SilverFlash]

General trinket ratings:TAiaJ HC->TAiaJ->STS HC->DC/DV HC->WFS HC->STS->DC/DV->WFS.

[nobum]

I did a dps test on a dummy with my retri paladin 6881 shadowmourne, I took off both trinkets and equipped one at a time and did a few runs. Only used 3 spells: judgement, crusader strike, divine storm. Heres the result.

Death's Verdict Equipped:
Time - DamageDone (DPS)
0:30 - 162k (4987)
1:00 - 334k (5453)
2:00 - 713k (5877)
3:00 - 1100k (6076)
4:00 - 1478k (6124)
5:00 - 1814k (6027)
6:00 - 2179k (5997)
7:00 - 2602k (6175)
8:00 - 3008k (6241)

Tiny Abom Equipped:
0:30 - 192k (5507)
1:00 - 408K (6149)
2:00 - 807k (6455)
3:00 - 1191k (6401)
4:00 - 1571k (6383)
5:00 - 1983K (6454)
6:00 - 2416k (6601)
7:00 - 2799k (6574)
8:00 - 3223k (6645)

Note that around 3-4 minutes DV's dps starts to plateau and stay between 6k-6.2k dps while Tiny's dps continues to rise. At 1 minute mark there is about 70k damage difference, but by 4 minutes there is nearly 100k difference.

Tiny Abom will pull ahead in dps the longer the fight goes. DV is only better than Tiny when the fights are less than 1.5 minute.
In pve Tiny wins hands down but in pvp, DV is better because most fights are determined within the first 30 seconds

[t0m1t0]

Yes, tiny at the moment... is ridicilous I don't know why... It should be nerfed... but its procing like crazy.. Good for us :D

[Inoyoulikeme]

Elaborate? Generally speaking it still underprocs on Warmane compared to retail.

[t0m1t0]

Well, before I stopped playing 2-3 months ago it was 2.5% max 3% from my total dmg in icc on dummy bosses. Now it is like 4.5%-5% from my total dmg. The question is I don't know if it still procs the seals or not.

[Inoyoulikeme]

There were bug reports a couple of months ago about TAIAJ supposedly underproccing with SoV, I never noticed but perhaps there was a bug and it is fixed now.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...-good-or-great

This thread and several others discuss the way the trinket worked on retail. On Warmane the trinket still underprocs in certain circumstances (e.g Paladin Seal of Command primary target application does not proc a mote, when it should), and there have been reports of it not proccing properly from our Seal of Vengeance application too.

And yes it can make up anywhere from 4-6% of your total DPS (based on retail logs) as a Ret Paladin due to the way our seals and talents affect the proc, that's why it is considered best in slot. On retail Rogue poisons and debuff application effects also procced the motes, making it BiS for Rogues for a time as well, before it was adjusted/fixed.

As it stands I believe TAIAJ is only viable for two specs: Ret Paladin and Enhancement Shaman, whereas competing trinkets are desired for basically every other physical DPS class in the game (Hunters/Rogues/Warriors/Death Knights/Feral Druids).

I wouldn't call that an "OP" trinket, I would call it what it is; niche.