1. how to calculate death strike / heart strike damage

    So I have read this topics http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=104959.1#p1188539
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...nics-explained. And I wanted to calculate death strike damage but I couldn't,maybe somebody would help with that? Here are my calculations:
    (all items unequipped only weapon 5-8 damage)
    1082 AP
    weapon 5-8 dmg
    min dmg +(3,3*AP/14)=260
    max dmg=263
    multipliers=1,15 blood pressence and 1,1 blood gorged=1,26
    260*1,26=327,6
    263*1,26=331,38
    death strike deals 97-98% weapon damage+374 (this also *1,26 right?) so 471,24
    327,6*0,97=317,772+471,24=789,012
    331,38*0,97=321,4386+471,24=792,24
    Heroic training dummy armor decrease this damage by 44% so
    789,012*0,56=441,84762
    792,24*0,56=443,6544
    But when I hit death strike on hc training dummy it hits 525 what did I calculate wrong here?


  2. Yes,thanks I also forget about 4% increased damage from two hander spec so:
    min 789,012*1,04=820,57248
    max 792,24*1,04=823,9296
    http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Armor_penetration I was using this table to calculate this 10% arpen
    only 10% arpen gives about 11,35% armor reduction
    hc training dummy 13083 armor-11,35%(1484,9205)=11598,0795
    using http://rehfeld.us/wow/damage-reduction.html armor reduction calculator it is 41% damage reduction from this armor
    820,57248*0,59%=484,1377632
    823,9296*0,59=486,118464
    Still something wrong ,anyone?

  3. you have 1 more thing " blade armor" "veteran of third war" "improved death strike"

  4. you have 1 more thing " blade armor" "veteran of third war" "improved death strike"
    blade armor is counted into attack power same as veteran of third war ,improved deathstrike is counted into deathstrike weapon damage and bonus damage from death strike I checked this by specced into frost.
    Edited: December 4, 2017

  5. Best way to calculate everything is to use the base ability damage without talents, and then multiply everything on yourself, it'll be more accurate.

    Death Strike (Rank 5) is: 75% Weapon DMG + 223

    Modifiers:
    Blood Presence: +15%
    Blood Gorged: +10% (And also reduced boss armor by 10%)
    Improved Death Strike: +30%
    Two-Handed Weapon Specialization: +4% or 0 (You didn't specify if you've spec'd into this)
    Bloody Vengeance: +0/3/6/9% (Didn't specify if you've spec'd into it or not)
    Glyph of Death Strike: +0-25% (Didn't specify if you are using it)

    From the weapon damage (5-8) and the normalization factor of 3.3 I'm going to assume that you are using a starter 2-hander either Broad Axe or Bastard Sword.
    I'm also going to assume that you have 2 points in Two-Handed Weapon Specialization, no Vengeance Stacks, and using the DS Glyph with 25+ RP.

    Calculations:
    83 Boss armor: 10643;
    Armor that can be reduced by ARP: (10643+16635)/3 = 9092.66666667
    Armor that is negated by the player's ARP: 9092.66666667*(139.96)/1399.6=909.266666667
    *139.96 is the Blood Gorged's 10% ARP
    Remaining boss armor: 10643-909.266666667=9733.73333333
    % damage reduction from remaining armor: (9733.73333333/(9733.73333333+15232.5))*100=38.987592575%
    Minimum DS damage: [(5+1082/14*3.3)*0.75+223]*(100-38.987592575)/100*1.15*1.1*1.3*1.04*1.25 = 545
    Maximum DS damage: [(8+1082/14*3.3)*0.75+223]*(100-38.987592575)/100*1.15*1.1*1.3*1.04*1.25 = 558

    This is higher than what you've observed so most likely you are either not using one of the talents I assumed you spec'd into or maybe you had under 25 RP and were using the DS glyph, or had some Vengeance stacks.
    Edited: December 14, 2017

  6. Yea I had all of those talents + 0 stacks of vengeance + horn of winter only with 5-8 weapon .
    I took wrong armor value I thought it should be 13083 and btw glyph of death strike is not working atm,
    ty for the calculations (I had 0 runic power but that doesn't matter - glyph not working).
    Edit :I'm using rusted pitchfork for the style points ! :D (5-8 damage)
    Edit2: I think you can't put imp death strike in multiplier like this improved death strike is changing death strike tooltip - weapon and bonus damage.
    Edited: December 15, 2017 Reason: style points

  7. Hmm with 0 RP and no Vengeance stacks that is more damage than I'd expect, I'm assuming the 1082 AP includes HoW. Were you spec'd into Two-handed Weapon Specialization? Were there any debuffs on the target? Sunder/expose armor?
    Doing the calculation for Imp Death Strike either way shouldn't make a difference, since you'll just be moving the multiplication from the end to the front. (75%WPN DMG +223)*1.3 = 97.5% + 289.9)
    I notice however that you've listed your tooltip bonus damage as +374, instead of 289/290, which is strange, and are you sure about GoDS? I was certain it was working before.
    I'll respec my DK and mess around with DS and HS and come back here, haven't touched blood for some time now.
    Edited: December 16, 2017

  8. Okay, here are some tests for: Death Strike (Rank 5) 75% Weapon Damage + 222.75, weapon used: Broad Axe (5-8) 3.1 Speed


    1) No talents, UH presence, no Glyph of DS
    Calculations:
    83 Boss armor: 10643*
    % damage reduction from remaining armor: (10643/(10643+15232.5))*100=41.1315723368%
    Minimum DS damage: [(5+578/14*3.3)*0.75+222.75]*(100-41.1315723368)/100 = 193.49000951
    Maximum DS damage:[(8+578/14*3.3)*0.75+222.75]*(100-41.1315723368)/100 = 194.814549132

    *From what I understand, the actual armor value of bosses/dummies on Icecrown is a bit off (by about 30-100 points) but I'm not exactly sure as to the number (I've been told its 10673, but I think it's even higher), so the damage in the screenshots will vary by 1-2 points of damage.
    Spoiler: Show


    2) Blood Presence, Talents: Two-Handed Weapon Specialization, Improved Death Strike, Blood Gorged
    - Straight away I'm seeing the issue with Imp DS and bonus damage, interestingly it's not exactly being multiplied in twice, which would have been 376.4475, very odd. For this reason I'll use the 97.5% and the 374 value separately instead of doing a 1.3 multiplier at the end.

    Calculations:
    83 Boss armor: 10643;
    Armor that can be reduced by ARP: (10643+16635)/3 = 9092.66666667
    Armor that is negated by the player's ARP: 9092.66666667*(139.96)/1399.6=909.266666667
    *139.96 is the Blood Gorged's 10% ARP
    Remaining boss armor: 10643-909.266666667=9733.73333333
    % damage reduction from remaining armor: (9733.73333333/(9733.73333333+15232.5))*100=38.987592575%
    Minimum DS damage: [(5+578/14*3.3)*0.975+374]*(100-38.987592575)/100*1.15*1.1*1.04 = 410.740423205
    Maximum DS damage: [(8+578/14*3.3)*0.975+374]*(100-38.987592575)/100*1.15*1.1*1.04 = 413.088259959
    Spoiler: Show

    This is clearly not the case, and even if we assume that is just a visual bug, it still doesn't add up either:
    Minimum DS damage: [(5+578/14*3.3)*0.975+289.575]*(100-38.987592575)/100*1.15*1.1*1.04 = 342.974229036
    Maximum DS damage: [(8+578/14*3.3)*0.975+289.575]*(100-38.987592575)/100*1.15*1.1*1.04 = 345.32206579

    I've tested the Blood Presence, Two-Handed Weapon Specialization, and Improved Death Strike all separately and together, and it all adds up with everything stacking multiplicatively (The 374 is just a visual bug, actual bonus damage goes up to 289.575 with 2/2 in the Imp DS). I did this rather quickly in-between putting in the talents and did not take screenshots there, can re-do it and post it all later with the math if someone is interested, cba tonight.

    It all just seems to break down with Blood Gorged at the end, however it does not appear to be a problem for white swings, and it is stacking multiplicatively with Two-Handed Weapon Specialization and Blood presence there:
    Minimum Swing damage: [(5+578/14*3.1)]*(100-38.987592575)/100*1.15*1.1*1.04 = 106.744871021
    Maximum Swing damage: [(8+578/14*3.1)]*(100-38.987592575)/100*1.15*1.1*1.04 = 109.152908717
    Spoiler: Show


    It is getting rather late, and this is starting to give me a headache, I'll come back to look at it and the Death Strike Glyph later.
    Edited: December 16, 2017

  9. Oh I see so +374 in the tooltip is just a bug it should be 290 ? I was thinking about this before how it is so much if without anything in frost it's +223.
    Yes I was using two hander spec talent ,no debuffs.
    https://www.warmane.com/bugtracker/report/58082 at least not how it should
    I will now remove the glyph and look for the damage one second...
    Edit: It's working but always - not checking runic power this is why I was pretty sure it's not working
    Edit2: about the tooltip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my9wslCEfl8 3:02 374 also maybe a visual bug who knows.
    I'm pretty sure there is something bad with deathstrike damage for example
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7b4uUxkhhA 0:02 you can see 43k deathstrike from what I've heard bis blood dk did max about 30k ds in icc which is pretty much low ?
    full bis dk blood (orc) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esc5W6iDyms max death strike 32.570 on taunka and all procs.

    Just look like almost no difference between heart strike and death strike damage (had both diseases for heart strike)
    https://imgur.com/a/zRDv0 hs damage
    https://imgur.com/a/bDb0H ds damage
    and I had glyph of deathstrike ....

    Edit3:also for rune weapon what happened to me today:
    https://imgur.com/a/ai2a3 as you can see 1 melee - drw just stopped working when I was dpsing the dummy....
    Edited: December 16, 2017

  10. Alright, Death Strike part 2: (Yes I noticed that I have an extra 1 point of strength today, I don't know why either)

    1) UH presence, Talents: Just Blood Gorged, no Glyph of DS
    Calculations:
    83 Boss armor: 10643;
    Armor that can be reduced by ARP: (10643+16635)/3 = 9092.66666667
    Armor that is negated by the player's ARP: 9092.66666667*(139.96)/1399.6=909.266666667
    *139.96 is the Blood Gorged's 10% ARP
    Remaining boss armor: 10643-909.266666667=9733.73333333
    % damage reduction from remaining armor: (9733.73333333/(9733.73333333+15232.5))*100=38.987592575%
    Minimum DS damage: [(5+580/14*3.3)*0.75+222.75]*(100-38.987592575)/100*1.1 = 220.827871631
    Maximum DS damage: [(8+580/14*3.3)*0.75+222.75]*(100-38.987592575)/100*1.1 = 222.337928715

    So, something is clearly not working properly as the actual damage is significantly lower.
    Spoiler: Show

    Let's check white damage now:
    Minimum Swing damage: [(5+580/14*3.1)]*(100-38.987592575)/100*1.1 = 89.5487819835
    Maximum Swing damage: [(8+580/14*3.1)]*(100-38.987592575)/100*1.1 = 91.5621914285

    Everything seems perfectly fine here...
    Spoiler: Show

    So I believe the issue is this: the armor penetration from Blood Gorged is not being applied to Death Strike
    83 Boss armor: 10643;
    % damage reduction from remaining armor: (10643/(10643+15232.5))*100=41.1315723368%
    Minimum DS damage: [(5+580/14*3.3)*0.75+222.75]*(100-41.1315723368)/100*1.1 = 213.067966595
    Maximum DS damage: [(8+580/14*3.3)*0.75+222.75]*(100-41.1315723368)/100*1.1 = 214.52496018

    This gives the damage I've observed while testing
    Spoiler: Show

    I believe this is probably the case for other strikes as well.



    Now onto Glyph of Death Strike:
    You are right, the ability always deals the same damage, regardless of how much RP you have, tried from 0 to 30 in increments of 5, and saw no difference at all.
    1) UH presence, No Talents, Glyph of DS
    Calculations:
    83 Boss armor: 10643;
    % damage reduction from remaining armor: (10643/(10643+15232.5))*100=41.1315723368%
    Minimum DS damage: [(5+580/14*3.3)*0.75+222.75]*(100-41.1315723368)/100*1.25 = 242.122689313
    Maximum DS damage:[(8+580/14*3.3)*0.75+222.75]*(100-41.1315723368)/100*1.25 = 243.778363841

    The damage is close enough, so I'd say yes, the talent is giving the full 25%, regardless of how much RP the player has.
    Spoiler: Show


    2) Blood Presence, Talents: Two-Handed Weapon Specialization, Improved Death Strike, Blood Gorged + Glyph of Death Strike
    I will be keeping in mind the Blood Gorged bug.
    Calculations:
    83 Boss armor: 10643
    % damage reduction from remaining armor: (10643/(10643+15232.5))*100=41.1315723368%
    Minimum DS damage: [(5+578/14*3.3)*0.75+222.75]*(100-41.1315723368)/100*1.15*1.25*1.1*1.04*1.3 = 413.65261683
    Maximum DS damage:[(8+578/14*3.3)*0.75+222.75]*(100-41.1315723368)/100*1.15*1.25*1.1*1.04*1.3 = 416.484283862

    I'd say this is close enough, and it looks like the Improved Death Strike talent and the Glyph of Death Strike are stacking multiplicatively (*1.25*1.3) instead of additively (*1.55), which probably shouldn't be the case either.
    Spoiler: Show


    I'll take a look at HS another time.
    Edited: December 17, 2017

  11. "Yes I noticed that I have an extra 1 point of strength today" Hmm that's interesting you mean you had 1 extra point because of this 1 point into abomination's might that you put in talents to get blood gorged?
    I think that may be a reason :P.
    So most likely blood gorged is not affecting death strike,and maybe other physical special attacks like heart strike,plague strike,rune strike.

  12. No I did not put any points into any strength or AP increasing talents. A single point in Abom's Might would have given me 1.8 (probably would have been rounded to 2 str) and an extra 5% AP. You can check the spec I've used on the armory: http://armory.warmane.com/character/...ecrown/talents

    I think the difference in strength is due to some minor bug associated with talents that increase stats by a %. Once you spec out of them you may end up with less or more of the stat than you had originally, until you re-log.

  13. And now for Heart Strike (Rank 6) 50% Weapon Damage + 368 +10% damage per disease active on the target
    Bloody Strike - *1.45%
    Damage increase from diseases - *1.2

    1) Blood Presence, Talents: Two-Handed Weapon Specialization, Bloody Strikes, Blood Gorged
    First let's see what the damage should be if all worked (including Blood Gorged)
    Calculations:
    83 Boss armor: 10643;
    Armor that can be reduced by ARP: (10643+16635)/3 = 9092.66666667
    Armor that is negated by the player's ARP: 9092.66666667*(139.96)/1399.6=909.266666667
    *139.96 is the Blood Gorged's 10% ARP
    Remaining boss armor: 10643-909.266666667=9733.73333333
    % damage reduction from remaining armor: (9733.73333333/(9733.73333333+15232.5))*100=38.987592575%
    Minimum HS damage: [(5+580/14*3.3)*0.50+368]*(100-38.987592575)/100*1.2*1.15*1.04*1.45*1.1 = 612.935035096
    Maximum HS damage: [(8+580/14*3.3)*0.50+368]*(100-38.987592575)/100*1.2*1.15*1.04*1.45*1.1 = 615.030027891

    Now this is interesting it looks like Blood Gorged (and the rest of the talents) is actually working properly for Heart Strike
    Spoiler: Show


    Also re-tested Death Strike to see if the Blood Gorged issue was fixed during restarts:

    2) Blood Presence, Talents: Two-Handed Weapon Specialization, Improved Death Strike, Blood Gorged, Glyph of Death Strike
    Calculations:
    83 Boss armor: 10643;
    Armor that can be reduced by ARP: (10643+16635)/3 = 9092.66666667
    Armor that is negated by the player's ARP: 9092.66666667*(139.96)/1399.6=909.266666667
    *139.96 is the Blood Gorged's 10% ARP
    Remaining boss armor: 10643-909.266666667=9733.73333333
    % damage reduction from remaining armor: (9733.73333333/(9733.73333333+15232.5))*100=38.987592575%
    Minimum DS damage: [(5+580/14*3.3)*0.75+222.75]*(100-38.987592575)/100*1.15*1.1*1.04*1.3*1.25 = 429.178968515
    Maximum DS damage: [(8+580/14*3.3)*0.75+222.75]*(100-38.987592575)/100*1.15*1.1*1.04*1.3*1.25 = 432.113764457

    And no, the issue is still there.
    Spoiler: Show


    In short: Blood Gorged works fine with Heart Strike but not Death Strike.

  14. Interesting need also to take look at plague strike or rune strike but I feel like only death strike damage is a bit too low.
    If you can create a report on bugtracker with that proofs, would really appreciate that.
    Edit: I also check if arp overall gives death strike increase damage typical dps blood talents http://armory.warmane.com/character/...ecrown/talents
    5-8 weapon damage
    no buffs,no horn, ds glyph,blood pressence,imp.death strike,two handed weapon spec,veteran of the third war,abomination's might
    436-439 death strike
    446-449 death strike with 85 arp rating from food and elixir
    So overall arp is affecting death strike seems like the issue is only blood gorged for death strike most likely.
    Edited: 4 Weeks Ago

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