1. okay your spreadsheet is bull****
    lets compare
    Cobra-Lash Boots vs Shadowmasters Boots
    33 vs 30 Agility
    66 vs 76 AP
    0 vs 17 Crit
    3 Agility vs 3 Crit Socket Bonus (if you take them...but i will count them)

    it is obvious that the mother boots are way better

    72.3 vs 84,3 with cheekys and pawn

    intellect is nonsense since chainpulling is not customary in your guild i d guess and with haste you **** up your rotation = dmg loss
    so you can use fel mana potion or simple mana potion, runes and stuff to boost your mp5 + JoW on boss/mobs

  2. on top of that = bc bosses have no burst phase (only if you play illidan without warlock tank) and for that you ll get heroism so you cant use haste pot or rapid fire because this will result in dps loss
    you play with imp. hawk cause the extra attackspeed of 15% for 12s proccs very very often and with drums up you have the perfect shotspeed to spread some arcane/multi without clipping a steady

  3. u answered ur question about fd urself
    so u just pick readiness to have 1 rapid fire more per fight, looks pretty worth to me spending 7 more talent points for that...

    and since u brag about ur so good and do same dmg as bm hunters maybe u start to proof that by posting any kind of logs ( legacyplayers )
    As far as I know, I was writing my BIS gear list and your reaction, quote: "i have like no idea who the fk u are, but u clearly don't play Survival at all..."
    What is this reaction? You are king of the Bongo, or what?

    Why do you think every guild should use Legacy players? We never needed it. I've been interested in Legacy players a few weeks ago just to find bosses partial resists on the server where I played because I doing Theorycrafting. I don't need to prove anything, I don't have the habit of lying, and if you don't believe me it's just your problem. Next time you can come up with your opinions and not just criticize others, especially if you don't know anything about them.

    okay your spreadsheet is bull****
    lets compare
    Cobra-Lash Boots vs Shadowmasters Boots
    33 vs 30 Agility
    66 vs 76 AP
    0 vs 17 Crit
    3 Agility vs 3 Crit Socket Bonus (if you take them...but i will count them)

    it is obvious that the mother boots are way better

    72.3 vs 84,3 with cheekys and pawn

    intellect is nonsense since chainpulling is not customary in your guild i d guess and with haste you **** up your rotation = dmg loss
    so you can use fel mana potion or simple mana potion, runes and stuff to boost your mp5 + JoW on boss/mobs
    You can't compare only raw dps, in addition, when it's due 17 crit rating (i have more about 54% crit without this boots) in my BIS gear list hunter need this boots, because Cobra have Intelect, i use leather boots, head and waist, 3 pieces is maximum for me.

    on top of that = bc bosses have no burst phase (only if you play illidan without warlock tank) and for that you ll get heroism so you cant use haste pot or rapid fire because this will result in dps loss
    you play with imp. hawk cause the extra attackspeed of 15% for 12s proccs very very often and with drums up you have the perfect shotspeed to spread some arcane/multi without clipping a steady
    Lol, every good hunter can change rotation as necessary? Nobody will be use rapid fire or haste potion in heroism, only newbie doing this mistake...hunter is about your own styl, not only "one hunter use this" = every hunters must use this. I know play all types of hunter and pre SWP is best Deep survival = my opinion, my experience, but in other server, on this server i have only 65. lvl now.
    Edited: September 22, 2018

  4. As far as I know, I was writing my BIS gear list and your reaction, quote: "i have like no idea who the fk u are, but u clearly don't play Survival at all..."
    What is this reaction? You are king of the Bongo, or what?

    Why do you think every guild should use Legacy players? We never needed it. I've been interested in Legacy players a few weeks ago just to find bosses partial resists on the server where I played because I doing Theorycrafting. I don't need to prove anything, I don't have the habit of lying, and if you don't believe me it's just your problem. Next time you can come up with your opinions and not just criticize others, especially if you don't know anything about them.
    Yes, this is my Jungle here!

    You're claiming to be at the same damage as bm hunters but you can't even prove it.....no i don't force your Guild to use Legacy, but don't claim something you can't prove.......
    You're doing Theorycrafting and useing a Specc in T6 Gear, that ppl used durring T4-T5 due to lack of Crit ????
    And as you can see the Posts above yours show that you're wrong again.....but you play Hunter for 6 years hmmmmmm
    This is just looking to me that you wasted 6 years of your time and i'm sorry for that

  5. Yes, this is my Jungle here!

    You're claiming to be at the same damage as bm hunters but you can't even prove it.....no i don't force your Guild to use Legacy, but don't claim something you can't prove.......
    You're doing Theorycrafting and useing a Specc in T6 Gear, that ppl used durring T4-T5 due to lack of Crit ????
    And as you can see the Posts above yours show that you're wrong again.....but you play Hunter for 6 years hmmmmmm
    This is just looking to me that you wasted 6 years of your time and i'm sorry for that
    Does it make sense to argue with you? I disagree with you, you disagree with me, but it does not alter the fact that I stand by my opinion because I do not see why 0/20/41 could not be used in t6, in my opinion it's on every hunter , everyone likes a different playing style, i test all three types of surv hunter, and Deep is ideal for me, when i loot Thoridal, i go to Speed surv of course or when i use weapon with 2,7 and less.

    And the damage: I have more than thousand screenshots that prove what I'm saying...but is this proof for you?

  6. then go ahead and post some of your screenshots

  7. Ok, on Monday I put here some screenshots, tomorrow i don't have a time.

    EDIT: I have 4736 screenshots and I have categorized about 4000 from all, last about 800 i must categorize. Tomorrow I should have finished it. W8 guys.
    Edited: September 24, 2018

  8. Hello guys, my work is complete, i post here about 50 screens. On all screens i have survival talents (Deep survival 0/20/41 or Arcane survival 0/25/36), all other hunters are BM. Our items are comparable, all of these hunters have 4xt6 bonus (when you want, i post gear of all hunters).

    All Screens in one
    https://postimg.cc/gallery/2p35m1d24/

    Hyjal - Rage Winterchill
    https://i.postimg.cc/L6m4LnXh/Rage_W...c_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/WzvN94wW/Rage_W...c_survival.jpg - my own record (Arc surv)

    Hyjal - Anetheron
    https://i.postimg.cc/NGpvhLNh/Anethe...c_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/kMFX2nfw/Anethe...c_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/63hJpQtv/Anethe...c_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/9QvjxSLr/Anethe...c_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/y8rN7vvH/Anethe...p_survival.jpg - my own record (Deep surv)

    Hyjal - Kaz'rogal
    https://i.postimg.cc/GpKHTGPL/Kaz_ro...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/MpkcCWKS/Kaz_ro...p_survival.jpg - my own record (Deep surv)

    BT - High Warlord Naj'entus
    https://i.postimg.cc/mk2kSDwY/High_W...c_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/bYCwhqg5/High_W...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/NFMGHnsb/High_W...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/BbMLWD67/High_W...p_survival.jpg - my own record (Deep surv)

    BT - Akama
    https://i.postimg.cc/HLsbhZj1/Akama_...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/d3dCygNr/Akama_...c_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/1RLc3r7D/Akama_...p_survival.jpg - my own record (Deep surv)

    BT - Teron Gorefiend
    https://i.postimg.cc/V6wpp02C/Teron_...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/65PSwmDw/Teron_...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/Cxf2K4g8/Teron_...c_survival.jpg - my own record (Arc surv)
    https://i.postimg.cc/L5Ncz4CZ/Teron_...p_survival.jpg - my own record (Deep surv)

    BT - Gurtogg Bloodboil
    https://i.postimg.cc/PJc3MLj9/Gurtog...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/bNDFwR0h/Gurtog...c_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/wTC4ysFs/Gurtog...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/XJLt97X6/Gurtog...p_survival.jpg - my own record (Deep surv)

    BT - 1. phase on Essences
    https://i.postimg.cc/KvZwJFF9/1._f_z...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/MKd4L4pz/1._f_z...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/HLJfX2Hd/1._f_z...p_survival.jpg - my own record (Deep surv)

    BT - Essences
    https://i.postimg.cc/J42xZWhH/Essenc...c_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/pTHqrYL0/Essenc...c_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/9FM1Dfcj/Essenc...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/v8X38nFz/Essenc...p_survival.jpg - my own record (Deep surv)
    https://i.postimg.cc/G3jSBNYv/Essenc...c_survival.jpg - my own record (Arc surv)

    BT - Mother Shahraz
    https://i.postimg.cc/3Ry0MWp3/Mother...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/28nv8qt6/Mother...p_survival.jpg - my own record (Deep surv)

    BT - Councils
    https://i.postimg.cc/4yJKYntk/Counci...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/g0NQCTDV/Counci...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/gJfW77zM/Counci...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/HLRRW7qn/Counci...p_survival.jpg - my own record (Deep surv)
    https://i.postimg.cc/GmMjdwWm/Counci...c_survival.jpg - my own record (Arc surv)

    BT - Illidan Stormrage
    https://i.postimg.cc/tCM9nDVC/Illida...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/2yWgqFp3/Illida...c_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/zfN6yRpG/Illida...c_survival.jpg - my own record (Arc surv)
    https://i.postimg.cc/T1nn5htT/Illida...p_survival.jpg - my own record (Deep surv)

    SWP - Kalecgos
    https://i.postimg.cc/LXFNhdTK/Kalecg...p_survival.jpg - my own record (Deep surv)
    https://i.postimg.cc/RZ08zzPg/Kalecg...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/XJxdWt1g/Kalecg...p_survival.jpg

    SWP - Brutallus
    https://i.postimg.cc/65nSW3c5/Brutal...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/NfqJztth/Brutal...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/fL12Zn09/Brutal...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/q7bDbCJQ/Brutal...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/Dfbp6Ztd/Brutal...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/gJjqnSPH/Brutal...p_survival.jpg - my own record (Deep surv)

    SWP - Felmyst
    https://i.postimg.cc/4N4srFjB/Felmys...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/xCSSgsKG/Felmys...p_survival.jpg
    https://i.postimg.cc/K81jhKFx/Felmys...p_survival.jpg - my own record (Deep surv)

    SWP - Eradar Twins
    https://i.postimg.cc/NFFcCrrx/Eradar...p_survival.jpg - my own record (Deep surv)
    Edited: September 25, 2018

  9. few points:
    - the damage/dps from ur raidmemebers is below human being with that gear
    - gear isnt equal at all, but ok ( officer or w/e u're on that server, must be good getting/taking all the loot, since ur def outgearing the BM's by alot :) )
    - even with ur gear ur pretty underperforming dmgwise within the grp u're in and lusts u get...

    this is pretty much a waste of time talking to you, so have a nice day

  10. I'm not going to give armory from another server to get a ban, so I'll list it at least.

    Our gear:

    Tatrgel (survival hunter)
    Head - T6
    Neck - Clutch of Demise
    Shoulders - Mantle of the Golden Forest
    Back - Thalassian Wildercloak
    Chest - Embrace of the Phoenix
    Wrist - T6
    Hands - Gloves of Immortal Dusk
    Waist - T6
    Legs - Leggings of the Immortal Night
    Boots - T6
    Ring 1 - Angelista's Revenge
    Ring 2 - Signet of Primal Wrath
    Trinket 1 - Madness of the Betrayer
    Trinket 2 - Berserker's Call
    Main Hand - Shiv of Exhaustion
    Off-Hand - Shiv of Exhaustion
    Ranged Weapon - Golden Bow of Quel Thalas

    Ellysalaria (BM hunter)
    Head - Cursed Vision of Sargeras
    Neck - Choker of Serrated Blades
    Shoulders - T6
    Back - Dory's Embrace
    Chest - Embrace of the Phoenix
    Wrist - T6
    Hands - Gloves of Immortal Dusk
    Waist - T6
    Legs - Leggings of the Immortal Night
    Boots - T6
    Ring 1 - Angelista's Revenge
    Ring 2 - Band of Ruinous Delight
    Trinket 1 - Madness of the Betrayer
    Trinket 2 - Blackened Naaru Sliver
    Main Hand - Shivering Felspine
    Off-Hand - none
    Ranged Weapon - Bristleblitz Striker

    Emilcvok (BM hunter)
    Head - T6
    Neck - Clutch of Demise
    Shoulders - T6
    Back - Cloak of Fiends
    Chest - Embrace of the Phoenix
    Wrist - T6
    Hands - Gloves of Immortal Dusk
    Waist - T6
    Legs - Starstalker Legguards
    Boots - T6
    Ring 1 - Angelista's Revenge
    Ring 2 - HK Band
    Trinket 1 - Madness of the Betrayer
    Trinket 2 - Berserker's Call
    Main Hand - Shivering Felspine
    Off-Hand - none
    Ranged Weapon - Crossbow of the Relentless Strike

    Chattyboy (BM hunter)
    Head - Duplicitous Guise
    Neck - HK Choker
    Shoulders - Mantle of the Golden Forest
    Back - Dory's Embrace
    Chest - Carapace of Sun and Shadow
    Wrist - T6
    Hands - T6
    Waist - T6
    Legs - Bow-stitched Leggings
    Boots - T6
    Ring 1 - Angelista's Revenge
    Ring 2 - Band of Ruinous Delight
    Trinket 1 - Madness of the Betrayer
    Trinket 2 - Empty Mug of Direbrew
    Main Hand - Shivering Felspine
    Off-Hand - none
    Ranged Weapon - Crossbow of the Relentless Strike

    Rustofius (BM hunter)
    Head - T6
    Neck - Choker of Vile Intent
    Shoulders - T6
    Back - Dory's Embrace
    Chest - T6
    Wrist - T6
    Hands - T6
    Waist - Don Alejandro's Money Belt
    Legs - T6
    Boots - Nyn'jah's Tabi Boots
    Ring 1 - Angelista's Revenge
    Ring 2 - HK Band
    Trinket 1 - Bloodlust Brooch
    Trinket 2 - Blackened Naaru Sliver
    Main Hand - Shivering Felspine
    Off-Hand - none
    Ranged Weapon - Bristleblitz Striker

    Rewiik (BM hunter)
    Head - T6
    Neck - HK Band
    Shoulders - T6
    Back - Dory's Embrace
    Chest - Embrace of the Phoenix
    Wrist - T6
    Hands - Gloves of Immortal Dusk
    Waist - T6
    Legs - Leggings of the Immortal Night
    Boots - Quickstrider Moccasins
    Ring 1 - Angelista's Revenge
    Ring 2 - Signet of Primal Wrath
    Trinket 1 - Hourglass of the Unraveller
    Trinket 2 - Berserker's Call
    Main Hand - Dagger of Bad Mojo
    Off-Hand - Mounting Vengeance
    Ranged Weapon - Crossbow of the Relentless Strike

    I don't see anyone being badly equipped, maybe Rewiik is on some screens without a bonus for 4 parts of t6 (he had LW wrist and shoulders) and Mask of Veiled Death on head, but if we talk about screens from the time, for example, a year ago, you have to take into account that I wasn't at that time too equipment, I did not go raids with other guilds.
    Edited: September 25, 2018

  11. I'm not going to give armory from another server to get a ban, so I'll list it at least.
    broo... i thought you were talking about retail tbc... not a ****ty french or russian server with bugged spells and mechanics
    i can post screens of myself pulling around 3k dps as a spriest too....since shadow spell was bugged back on an old server i ve played on

  12. broo... i thought you were talking about retail tbc... not a ****ty french or russian server with bugged spells and mechanics
    i can post screens of myself pulling around 3k dps as a spriest too....since shadow spell was bugged back on an old server i ve played on
    This server has been running for almost 10 years and his team has been looking after him all the time and the functionality is very good there. I stopped playing because there are only about 1,000 people playing there and our CZSK community has split into more than one other server. In times of greatest fame, the server had more than 3000 players online as warmane, so it's not a Russian server as you type...

    I'm not going to deal with it anymore, my opinion I wrote here, letting each of the topics take what they need.

  13. Tatrgel mate you are wrong in so many places.
    First of all your bis list for survival hunter is wack the guy asked for bt bis list and you are listing some wierd swp trash/bt mix list which isnt even bis. You are not using t6 4p bonus which is ridiculous Since steady shot is your main dmg.
    Your mana conerns are also invalid since with mana spring/wisdom on the boss you will be more than fine + you can stack the swp stam/int buff with mage int buff when you dont buff stamina and you get a lot of mana that way.
    Your talent build is just funny at that stage of the game. Its fine early on when you are low on crit but later on 7/20/34 is the highest damage output talent spec by far. You are talking about some deep arcane shot build... Multi shot/arcane shot after steady in rotation is fine early on but later arcane shot is a legit waste of gcd. Arcane Shot's damage is not affected by armor that means its great early on when you have 0 armor pene but going into bt/swp survival hunters pick up a lot of armor penetration that makes steady shot outperform arcane shot on every single level so its simply waste of gcd. And arcane shot can be resisted so its really bad to use it later on. It can be compared to not being hit capped and missing a shot you wouldnt want that. What i would recommend is using 2:1 rotation w/o haste effect and 3/2 with haste effect (such as imp aspect of the hawk) you could weave in multi shot here and there if you feel like it but arcane shot is a big no no.
    While playing on many many private servers i've met a lot of "Theorycrafters" where 99% of the time is just pile of **** that doesnt apply into the game. So ye i dont know about your 6 years of playing survival hunter Tatrgel but you might want to reconsider your survival hunter career...
    And about your screenshots... They are just funny to say the least.

    So to the OP if you want bt bis list Enory one is the best in this thread.

  14. what about Bindings of Lightning Reflexes on BM hunter?

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