The real reason PvPers cant complain.

[Butkus]

DKs and Ret Pallies lol. If anything warr + hpala is most broken by the end. Otherwise TBC had terrible balance as several specs were missing key abilities. Shammy had no thunderstorm or hex, Shadow priest doesn't have dispersion, hunters didn't have disengage. Ret pal and enhancement are literally auto-attack specs. Also dike is right, resto druid is pretty op in TBC.

what?missing key abilities?only reason why classes needed some abilities like you claim is because of the rest crap that got added in wrath,like new op'ed classes revamped classes and new abilities. i hope you dont think hunters are weak in TBC or that shadow priests are weak both shadow and dis are top notch in arena.

"DKs and Ret Pallies lol. If anything warr + hpala is most broken by the end"
like i said dont start with the end game crap where you ONLY look at the LAST season of wrath

i checked out some of your posts and you seem to say the same thing over again word for word.... warriors op'ed in wrath "lmfao" classes missing key abilities "lmfao" im not sure if you really think that or are trolling? either way i will repeat what i said..

wrath pvp is all about pve gear so go raid or pay up $$$$ and make sure you pick a class like DK or pally for melee or you will get face rolled by them. wrath had the most unbalanced pvp is wow history see S5 and gave birth to the most OP'ed crap/classes/specs we have seen in dk's and rets "all pally specs were op'ed". things were so broken in pvp blizz stopped giving out rewards in 2's and straight up said we cant and are not going to try to balance 2's anymore.why?cause the op'ed classes they added to game and this was long before they buffed and made arms good in 2v2 backed by pallys one of the most op'ed specs in game along with dks.

sure wraths pvp got a little better as the x pac went on but it was still very unbalanced and class like dk or a spec like ret would faceroll any other melee and most ranged specs, one man armies they were called.... some will tell you well arms warrior were op'ed with bis gear and shadowmorue supported by a healer "after blizz had to hot fix and rework the spec/class mid x-pac due to being broken as in being weak in both pvp and pve and thats something blizz said they never do unless its a must = make class changes during an x-pac." but guess what?a dk or a ret for example can do just as much if not more damage then an arms warrior could do with bis gear but at same time have better self healing more utility and much less healer dependent.

pve gear human racial pally reworks dks got added and you think thats good balance?both dks and pallys were better in pvp and pve dps then arms or fury was for 99% of the x-pac. and even then only fury could compete with a ret or dk dps wise and both pallys and dks were better tanks then warriors were as well.
warriors were the worst CLASS in game in both pvp and pve for much of wrath and some how people like you only look the last season of wrath in only 2v2 and say see warriors op'ed. but what about the rest of the x-pac?what about 3v3 or 5v5?what about 2v2 during s5 or s6?where were all them op'ed warriors?and fyi the few warriors still around went fury cause arms was dead.......this is why they had to buff warriors and let them shine in ONE aspect of game play = 2v2 when backed by and op'ed pally....

[dike]

kid crying about balance in 2v2 bracket. =O

[KomodoV01]

kid crying about balance in 2v2 bracket. =O

ikr, people crying about warriors being op. meanwhile drw doeant even work like it should, am i right?

[Butkus]

kid crying about balance in 2v2 bracket. =O

i know its funny who would complain about 2v2 even more so in wrath where 2v2 went bad? it was not me that brought up 2v2 or anything about arena but i can tell you who did.......

class balance is alot more then who's good in 2v2 and whos not
class balance is the entire game all aspects of it

[taralej]

Dude, are you seriously saying TBC was more balanced than WotLK? :D Like, holy duck, seriously?

And yes, of course people will only talk about the last season. Or do you maybe want us to talk about the time when resilience didn't affect DoTs? Or maybe early Cata when Rets could 100-0 people in HoJ? Or maybe early WotLK when destruction warlocks would destroy your hopes, dreams, soul and everything in between with just Chaos Bolt and Conflag? Or again early WotLK, pre-Frost Strike "adjust", when you could eat 10k Frost Strike crits?

That sounds very balanced.

[KomodoV01]

Dude, are you seriously saying TBC was more balanced than WotLK? :D Like, holy duck, seriously?

And yes, of course people will only talk about the last season. Or do you maybe want us to talk about the time when resilience didn't affect DoTs? Or maybe early Cata when Rets could 100-0 people in HoJ? Or maybe early WotLK when destruction warlocks would destroy your hopes, dreams, soul and everything in between with just Chaos Bolt and Conflag? Or again early WotLK, pre-Frost Strike "adjust", when you could eat 10k Frost Strike crits?

That sounds very balanced.

or 11k fero bites
or
8k lava bursts through wall
or
15k+ dmg in a global and a half
all good ))

[Butkus]

Dude, are you seriously saying TBC was more balanced than WotLK? :D Like, holy duck, seriously?

And yes, of course people will only talk about the last season. Or do you maybe want us to talk about the time when resilience didn't affect DoTs? Or maybe early Cata when Rets could 100-0 people in HoJ? Or maybe early WotLK when destruction warlocks would destroy your hopes, dreams, soul and everything in between with just Chaos Bolt and Conflag? Or again early WotLK, pre-Frost Strike "adjust", when you could eat 10k Frost Strike crits?

That sounds very balanced.

what?cata?and its funny you keep on saying wrath with this and that problem lock dks and you forgot pallys ect ect
yes TBC had the best pvp in wow's history and no it was not perfect but it was far better and far better balanced then any crap wrath gave us. but like you said you ONLY talk about the last season of wrath cause the rest of it had so many issues... but then again so did the last season of wrath but but human racial pve gear arp dks shadowmourn....

[Butkus]

or 11k fero bites
or
8k lava bursts through wall
or
15k+ dmg in a global and a half
all good ))

hey lets go watch a dk and pally fight for over 15 mins in dps specs on youtube playing wrath
man them sure were the days but like taralej said locks were also well balanced in early wrath.....

[Jakkre]

The class balance depends on the arena bracket.
Imo the 2s bracket of TBC is the most unbalanced bracket of WoWs history.
U can literally only play rog, fmage, dudu, slsl lock, disc priest, mm hunter or Awarr if u want to reach a high rating there.
Paly and shami of any spec are completely unviable for 2s in TBC.

The 2s bracket of Wotlk also favors certain specs such as hpala or Awarr.
However, when u are skilled u can also reach a high rating when u play one of the weaker specs.
I have already seen exotic setups such as enh shami and hpaly, ele and disc or FDK and disc/hpala in the top 5 of the Wotlk 2s ladder.
On TBC its impossible for weaker specs to win anything in 2s no matter how skilled u are. If u play a hpaly in 2s for example ull just lose against any other healer because u have a blatant disadvantage.
On Wotlk class disadvantage also exists but not on such a high level like on TBC.

[Skoobydoo]

kid crying about balance in 2v2 bracket. =O

To be honest there was still titles and rewards from 2s bracket in TBC so it make since to talk about it,but people who point out 2s PVP in WOTLK are just players who have don't know much about PVP.

hey lets go watch a dk and pally fight for over 15 mins in dps specs on youtube playing wrath
man them sure were the days but like taralej said locks were also well balanced in early wrath.....

show us 3v3 game with ret or DK that have been 15 mins long( and there is no x2 healer comp).i will really like to see that.Or you still cant understand that Blizzard balance their game around competitive 3v3 bracket,not casual 2v2 or random battlegound PVP.

[dike]

class balance is the entire game all aspects of it

just no. not how it works.

blizzard balanced it around pve. and a lil' bit of old good balance around 3v3, 5v5. 2v2 never was balanced bracket (look at tbc 2v2 ladder - out of top 50 - 14 teams with druids, balanced af, i guess). and 1v1 is impossible to balance.

i still cannot understand why u cry about pvp balance in pve-oriented game? u still dont get it 14 years after wow release?

To be honest there was still titles and rewards from 2s bracket in TBC so it make since to talk about it,but people who point out 2s PVP in WOTLK are just players who have don't know much about PVP.

that doesnt change anything, since game was never been balanced around 2v2

[Skoobydoo]

that doesnt change anything, since game was never been balanced around 2v2

The fact they give you rewards and title from this bracket make it competitive,so people have a reason to be talking about it.
Wotlk on other hand clearly consider 2s casual since they remove rewards and titles from it.

Also since WOTLK they start to do PVP ONLY balancing so we can separate PVE and PVP class balance from now on.
Butkus need to go read some patch notes maybe he will understand.

[KomodoV01]

>wotlk 2s bracket favors warr/pal
here we go again

[AluschI]

The 2s bracket of Wotlk also favors certain specs such as hpala or Awarr.

hpala or Arms is not inbalanced ... Enough combos easily farm Arms and hpala. It is mostly the people who favor certain specs, especialy on a long lasting pserver. Arms is one of a few who get a lot from pve BiS gear and is able dominate up to 2k rating with only pve gear and res gems, even lacking skill.

[Butkus]

The class balance depends on the arena bracket.
Imo the 2s bracket of TBC is the most unbalanced bracket of WoWs history.
U can literally only play rog, fmage, dudu, slsl lock, disc priest, mm hunter or Awarr if u want to reach a high rating there.
Paly and shami of any spec are completely unviable for 2s in TBC.

The 2s bracket of Wotlk also favors certain specs such as hpala or Awarr.
However, when u are skilled u can also reach a high rating when u play one of the weaker specs.
I have already seen exotic setups such as enh shami and hpaly, ele and disc or FDK and disc/hpala in the top 5 of the Wotlk 2s ladder.
On TBC its impossible for weaker specs to win anything in 2s no matter how skilled u are. If u play a hpaly in 2s for example ull just lose against any other healer because u have a blatant disadvantage.
On Wotlk class disadvantage also exists but not on such a high level like on TBC.

no TBC's 2's was and is not more unbalanced then 2's in wrath it was wrath where blizz said F it and ended rewards,again this was long before warriors got "good" in 2's at the end of wrath. how cant you remember dks in 2's all of wrath even more so the first half of it?dks were almost un killable period.

shammy are pretty good dam healer in tbc 2's and even more sought out for 3's and 5's so stop with the shammys suck.

"On Wotlk class disadvantage also exists but not on such a high level like on TBC"
funny you forgot how dead arms was for 1/2 + of wrath or are you saying saying arms + holy pally was great in s5?but the class balance?...
again stop taking about one dam season of wrath class blance during wrath means just that =WRATH not one season of it.