1. Grats, you got to the point. So Jimmy would still have only 0.5(or less dollars, because Tonny will find where he can express his talents and reap rewards or Jimmy wpuld have sent him to Siberia, jail or gulags because Tonny is smart and only way to take his 2 dollars is force.
    You do realize... that right now warmane is taking MORE gold from you than they would with my suggestion, right?

    2/2 = 1 with the 1 gold vanishing entirely.
    With my suggestion, that 1 gold doesn't vanish entirely. It gets split up between everybody on the server, so you will gain at least a fraction of it back, as will everyone else and the economy will have a more balanced start after the squish and wont leave a bittersweet, or outright bitter, taste in the mouth of the new player.

    I'm an new player an collecting gold for my flying competence it need 6000 golds and now you told me you gonna half all my money how can this be healthly for the economy.It gonna instead giving me a bad experience for this server
    This guy gets it....

    I almost quit last time they did this... all my friends did, but I kept playing. I don't think I'll keep playing after this. I just hate having to think about earning more money all the time. I just want to make my money once then play the game.

    Oh well. It was fun while it lasted.
    Queue "ANOTHER ONE" meme.

    Too all of you complainers about the gold squish, you are free to leave the server no one is forcing you to play on this FREE server, go play retail you angry people.
    If you think this is a free server then god bless your innocent child soul, I hope the real world never bursts your adorable bubble of ignorance.

    you do realize that all gold sold for coins is farmed by people ingame right?

    and that even before the marketplace allowed you to sell gold for coins people were doing it through paypal or some other means. it's not like the gold is magically being generated out of thin air.
    Or... Bots.. Who are as close as generating it out of thin air as it can get without getting into trade conspiracies.

  2. As if farming 6k gold would be so hard, you can level up herbalism and gather herbs for 2 hours on Sholazar Basin and you will get those 6k.
    Actually, on Outland it's a pain in the *** to get those 6k. Not everyone plays wotlk.

  3. Or... Bots.. Who are as close as generating it out of thin air as it can get without getting into trade conspiracies.
    bots are indeed an issue, was mainly replying to how it seemed they thought warmane was sellin gold that they were creating, rather than game that was in 1 way or another farmed in game.

  4. Actually, on Outland it's a pain in the *** to get those 6k. Not everyone plays wotlk.
    It will be the same dude, gold gets diminished but hia trade value grows up, therefore is the same to have X amount of gold after the squish, it's even better because the economy and the prices are way more stable so it will be better for all of us. The only problem is about things in game that will cost the same amount of gold, but then on the other hand with an hyperinflated economy those prices tend to be virtually nothing and the game itself is not meant to be that way. So overall the squish is good and as I explained above you could get more profit out of it by doing simple things.

  5. You do realize... that right now warmane is taking MORE gold from you than they would with my suggestion, right?

    2/2 = 1 with the 1 gold vanishing entirely.
    With my suggestion, that 1 gold doesn't vanish entirely. It gets split up between everybody on the server, so you will gain at least a fraction of it back, as will everyone else and the economy will have a more balanced start after the squish and wont leave a bittersweet, or outright bitter, taste in the mouth of the new player.
    You are saying that communism is somehow a good thing, it's obvious you have no clue how even ingame economy works.
    I will "lose" half of my gold, but the half I will have left will be more than double value. If that half wouldn't disappear my gold value would drop to close to 0 at least for some time, because every impaired who cant make some gold even in game will have gold and will not need the gold I can trade. So I would lost way more than half.

    Some people have the bitter taste about their lost 2k gold, some people lose hundreds of thousands or millions and they get ahead of things and make it happen instead of dreaming about some communism where they get free stuff because it's "according to their needs".

    Only morons who cant grasp reality and mechanism how things work would spout some ridiculous absurd about communism.

    You are parasitic impotent that wants to leech off of the work of others. You will get outsmarted all the time and your only recourse is getting together people like you and killing off people like me, taking my stuff. But that is just one-time deal, because after you kill me I will not make more stuff for you to take, so you will fall in poverty and wretched state. And there is nothing you can do about it, because you will have killed every competent human and all that's left is hell.
    Just like it happened in soviet union, maybe after some 30 more years we will have recovered from it.

  6. I dont really care about the gold squish for the most part.

    I will say it would be more fair for lower level/starting accounts if there was some sort of threshold before the squish hits. Like 20k or something that would be exempt from the squish. People complain about the population on Frost but at the same time a casual player starting out a few months ago is probably scrambling to try and save gold for the flight licenses, or one of the convenience mounts that carry vendors.

    I see the point of doing the squish on servers that have robust economies but really some of the servers dont need it.

  7. You are saying that communism is somehow a good thing, it's obvious you have no clue how even ingame economy works.
    I will "lose" half of my gold, but the half I will have left will be more than double value. If that half wouldn't disappear my gold value would drop to close to 0 at least for some time, because every impaired who cant make some gold even in game will have gold and will not need the gold I can trade. So I would lost way more than half.

    Some people have the bitter taste about their lost 2k gold, some people lose hundreds of thousands or millions and they get ahead of things and make it happen instead of dreaming about some communism where they get free stuff because it's "according to their needs".

    Only morons who cant grasp reality and mechanism how things work would spout some ridiculous absurd about communism.

    You are parasitic impotent that wants to leech off of the work of others. You will get outsmarted all the time and your only recourse is getting together people like you and killing off people like me, taking my stuff. But that is just one-time deal, because after you kill me I will not make more stuff for you to take, so you will fall in poverty and wretched state. And there is nothing you can do about it, because you will have killed every competent human and all that's left is hell.
    Just like it happened in soviet union, maybe after some 30 more years we will have recovered from it.
    It's almost how rich people pay higher taxes, isn't it? Having lots of gold = luxury tax making your gold worthless for a while, yea.

    I almost find it hilarious how you call being obnoxious and insulting: "outsmarting" somebody. You're the type of person who wins arguments all the time in real life because people eventually give up on talking to you. You don't have any idea how economy works, not me. To add to that, you have absolutely no idea how marketing works and how you having your gold be WORTH something is vastly irrelevant compared to the downsides that taking gold from people can be.

    The people who had hundreds, thousands, millions of gold have the means to recover it that a person who barely lost 2,000 doesn't.

    Also I find it adorable how you presume that I am to benefit from that solution and that I am trying to leech. I am more prepared for the squish than you will ever be and it will take 0 gold out of my account while I make about half a Shadowmourne 2-3 weeks after it from all I've stockpiled on.

    From a pure marketing perspective, "we are taking 50% away from you" is considered a slap in the casual players' faces and is capable of driving them away from the game. This is especially true for 1x realms such as Lordaeron and the Outland realm where things cost a lot more due to accessibility rather than inflation. Driving people away from the game and leaving it only to those who currently feel good about playing it, such as yourself, that won't be affected negatively by these changes, will result into the server's sad demise. You will die from cancer tomorrow; some other elitist will quit because they are bored and a third one will realize that getting laid feels a lot better than ganking level 30's in STV.

    To survive the leaving players, the server needs new players and the server can't get new players if they cast them away. This is an in-game economy, not the soviet union. And this makes this in-game communism rather than a real one. Nobody cared about marketing during communism days but here, marketing is everything and in the hypothetical scenario of 50% of all gold being redistributed between everybody, 50% will feel bad and 50% will feel good. The 50% that feel bad would be the ones with a lot of gold and the 50% that feel good would be the ones who had little. The ones who had a lot have their ways to acquire it back and/or are so lifeless that farming wow gold is all they have going for them and the ones that feel good will continue playing on the server and supporting the economy with likely donations.

    Without new players and a flow of leaving old players, the server's donations will diminish and it will close. To keep new players interested in the game, we must market a positive experience for them. A lot of games are like that at the moment, when you start of with a ton of free **** and hardly any hardships and things start becoming pay / grind to win once you are midways through the late-game. This gets you hooked. But most realms are fast paced and that happens rather quickly here, so the "feel good" experience needs to be extended for a longer period of time. I donated for the first time one year after I first started playing and it was because I wanted to play asap and had already invested a lot of time knowing that I wouldn't quit any time soon. People need a decent experience until the point when they become hooked and have invested enough.

    If I were to join today, I'd be 4K+ gear score by the end of the month and I'd be gathering for my fast flying. I wouldn't have invested enough time in the game to be fully hooked and having my gold taken away from me would bum me out to just move onto something else. Lets not forget to mention the people who joined in December / January, donated to skip the queues right away and spent their 10 coins on gold which is about to get halved before they'd get the chance to spend it. That's an outright ripoff.

    Marketing to new players is way more important than you stroking your top 5% ego.

  8. When I cut out the noise about communism and how you think economy works you have a decent point.

    Point about good steady economy, new players and pace of the game.
    I have been saying for a long time that squish has downsides and barely achieves half of its purpose at best. Now we can expect every year prices to inflate to 300% at the end of the year, doesn't matter if there will/wont be squish. And that is BIG deal because of the season - MAJOR downside to gain new blood, compared to steady inflation over time and that is not good either:

    If player can sell one gem that is farmable in less than hour for 5k.. nobody buys gold, new players don't get invested in game because they can get everything instantly thus it has no value, people cant sell their gold, Warmane dosnt get their cut - bad for everyone in a long run.

    So something has to be done, and best we got is squish. And you better give staff some ideas on how to sink gold out of the system so it retains value, system that would benefit every party involved and work in a long run. Instead of regurgitating some insanity about communism and spit in a face of 100M dead souls.

  9. When I cut out the noise about communism and how you think economy works you have a decent point.

    Point about good steady economy, new players and pace of the game.
    I have been saying for a long time that squish has downsides and barely achieves half of its purpose at best. Now we can expect every year prices to inflate to 300% at the end of the year, doesn't matter if there will/wont be squish. And that is BIG deal because of the season - MAJOR downside to gain new blood, compared to steady inflation over time and that is not good either:

    If player can sell one gem that is farmable in less than hour for 5k.. nobody buys gold, new players don't get invested in game because they can get everything instantly thus it has no value, people cant sell their gold, Warmane dosnt get their cut - bad for everyone in a long run.

    So something has to be done, and best we got is squish. And you better give staff some ideas on how to sink gold out of the system so it retains value, system that would benefit every party involved and work in a long run. Instead of regurgitating some insanity about communism and spit in a face of 100M dead souls.
    What the squish does is it INFLATES the prices rather than deflating them. Even after the squish and this inflation happens BECAUSE there is going to be a squish come next year. Somebody linked the AH data earlier on the thread - August & October, the prices double and then some because people are preparing for it and stockpile on items, which creates demand for items, which increases the prices because when one person buys all, the open supply diminishes. This is literally economy 101; can't argue that's not how it works. Hadn't there been a first squish, the prices now would be about 120-130% of their original values because people wouldn't stockpile and the items would actually be bought by people using them, a.k.a. exhausting them.

    Gold sinks are really easy to come by if they'd be willing to cut down on gold. A transmog vendor with 5000 gold / piece would be CROWDED 24/7. Removal of transmog with 2000 gold / piece would be as crowded as people would experiment more. 10 euros for a purely cosmetic change is ridiculous; 5 euros to fix it is just as ridiculous. Keep the legendary transmog scrolls on the store for 50 coins, sure, dual wielding Thunderfuries is a luxury.

    They won't do that though, because that would take one or two coin sinks out of circulation. Transmog scrolls dropping from battlegrounds at a ridiculously low rate promotes a demo experience as you get this item that can do this cool thing and you farm for one over and over and over again and get one after two weeks and say to yuorself "**** it" I wanna look cool now and spend money on the item.

  10. Any system would work, communism, autocratic etc. if people held leaders to the idea that they exist to work for the betterment of their nation. Only problem is the fact that all throughout human history people have proven to be stupid, lazy, lacking in integrity, easily mislead and they show no hope of improving anytime in the near future. Just look at brexit for example, people who voted for it didn't understand it what so ever but politicians told them that it was a shinning city upon a hill and as all good and wise people know you can't trust a politician unless they flash a confident smile and telling you things you want to hear.

  11. I'm commenting in between running back and forth after a 2 year old so sometimes I miss putting things in.

    I used brexit because it remind me of people saying the squash will help.

  12. They do that to force ppl to spend money on coins to buy more gold after the squish. This isn't wrong because Warmane has a great service and team, they need money to maintain things that way.

  13. They do that to force ppl to spend money on coins to buy more gold after the squish. This isn't wrong because Warmane has a great service and team, they need money to maintain things that way.
    "They do that to FORCE [...] This ISN'T wrong." Repeat this part in your head a couple of times asking yourself the question: "what forced things aren't morally, or even legally, wrong?" An alternative incentive to donations to that would be, oh I don't know, seasonal, rather than yearly discounts; more custom events; etc. No business's marketing should place customers (and potential such) in a point where they have to decide between: "I am either going to completely quit this and not waste my time here or I will waste my money because I already wasted too much time here to stop."

  14. Dear Warmane
    Can we, please, have gold squish more often? Most people playing on Warmane love the QQ of small angry group.

    Regards,
    80% of Warmane community

  15. I dont know why im writing this post because it will surely be ignored by the staff but if u have such a big problem with gold especialy on icecrown why dont make it x1 and create a big gold sinks like the ideas mentioned above. Maybe create a custom casino ingame where u could bet on things like mounts items etc

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