Mercenary Mode on Icecrown, Lordaeron and Blackrock

[SlamNRam]

What is happening in Horde? I'm genuinely curious as I'm about to roll a character there today.

[j4ckor]

You can roll horde characters.
The issue is about pvp, not questing or pve.

We don't need nonsensical proposals. We only need this mercenary **** to be cancelled because cancerous for pvp and for its community

[SnFox]

I still trying to play some battlegrounds as a Horde on Icecrown. But this is not greate...

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Sorry but there is not a little chance in most of the Battlegrounds for horde. you win 1 of 20 battlegrounds
so alliance get more and more honor get more gems to sell get more gold to sell and more coins to investe for more gear.
The gap between alliance and horde get bigger and bigger and the fun less.

This problem is really Important and Warmane should do something about it really fast!


There where bether ways to get lower Que time for Battlegrounds and here are some:

- cross fraction for all on one server but not cross reals.
- free fraction change from alliance to horde on icecrown to balance que time in battlegrounds. No more crossrealm and crossfraction stuff!
- stop sell shadowmourne (never will happens i know but its a weapon you get from a lot of PVE work and is way to strong in pvp)

[SnFox]

[Drkwispurr]

- cross fraction for all on one server but not cross reals.
- free fraction change from alliance to horde on icecrown to balance que time in battlegrounds. No more crossrealm and crossfraction stuff!
- stop sell shadowmourne (never will happens i know but its a weapon you get from a lot of PVE work and is way to strong in pvp)

Changing the coin shop won't be a good idea since many people bought sm and would be unfair for those who haven't...
Opening temporary free A>H transfers seems to me a step forward, or, in worst case scenario, despite losing the concept of Alliance vs Horde, turn this mode for all three realms, because one realm only (and the "beginner" realm) doesn't make any sense...

[Drifnur]

Has this been implemented? Or is it some sort of toggle like on live?

[j4ckor]

Yes, it is implemented. And it shouldn't be, because cancerous.

[Norroen]

Yes, it is implemented. And it shouldn't be, because cancerous.

So is that your argument? Weak, sorry. Maybe you should enhance your vocabulary as it must've been the eleventh or twelvth time in a short period of time I'm reading the word "cancerous" in one of your insubstantial posts.

It was quite the read to see "idc gotta farm"-members comment on this topic, as they and their dumbed down, gear- and numbers-relying playstyle is almost to be considered THE epitome of what's wrong with Icecrown PVP (Battleground's in particular). It's not like you guys were always benefiting from the adjustments the server crew has been undertaking, is it? Stop acting like benefactors, everyone could foretell the consequences your transfers to Alliance would have on the BG-balance, horde's been mostly dead before that and completely shut down after. My main point is: Of course you won most AV's with your bland farmstacks, while Alliance always had a good shot at random BG's and struggled with coordination to fight a bigger premade. But: As of late, Alliance wins almost any BG. And even if there wasn't any Mercenary Mode to be introduced, there's not been any real faction balance in Battlegrounds before, because ultimately only segregated groups could profit.

To come to an end and cut a long story short: The Mercenary Mode didn't change anything about it, it just fueled the excess. The main issue is that it's not up to us, the players, to find a solution and solve the problem. Mercenary Mode hugely disadvantages Blackrock and Lordaeron players right now and that won't change through a blind commitment to faction changes by a few players.

Disable AV Enabler support, make premades above five players impossible, maybe work on the seeding system. It would actually allow the queue to mix up the teams, because right now only certain groups gain. I'm sure "idc gotta farm", "Old Division" and "Afterbirth" would be fine with this, right?

Oh and stop blocking Crossfaction, of course. I can definitely understand the criticism it holds, but it's a system that's already proven its worth on other servers. Even if you're not considering it as a valid option, the Mercenary Mode has to be re-done carefully.

[Darwinianape]

To come to an end and cut a long story short: The Mercenary Mode didn't change anything about it, it just fueled the excess. The main issue is that it's not up to us, the players, to find a solution and solve the problem. Mercenary Mode hugely disadvantages Blackrock and Lordaeron players right now and that won't change through a blind commitment to faction changes by a few players.

Disable AV Enabler support, make premades above five players impossible, maybe work on the seeding system. It would actually allow the queue to mix up the teams, because right now only certain groups gain. I'm sure "idc gotta farm", "Old Division" and "Afterbirth" would be fine with this, right?

Oh and stop blocking Crossfaction, of course. I can definitely understand the criticism it holds, but it's a system that's already proven its worth on other servers. Even if you're not considering it as a valid option, the Mercenary Mode has to be re-done carefully.

Mercenary mode did change the composition of the horde into a majority blackrock base, while removing the blackrock players from alliance. Since most of the blackrock players are fresh 5.5k players, and the majority of the icecrown has like 6k+ gear, it gives alliance a distinct advantage, not to mention most blackrock players either try new classes, or dont even bother playing when they are rolled as horde. Oh and cancerous is an apt description for the current state of battlegrounds. Players can not do **** to change that. You have to understand the players mostly think for themselves, it's like asking oil companies to solve global warming. They are not a monolithic entity that can decide on some sort of plan that's good for the server in expense for their individual benefits. The balance must come from the staff, who currently play dead. The health of the server really depends on swift action on that issue, and they are just silent.

[CATZACK]

look i have 1 ally and like 4 or 5 horde and my ally levels better and has better gear then my other toons did at that lvl and the pvp sucks cause we get owned no matter how much we try and its unfair and either blizzard or warmane whom ever runs the free version of the game is pissing me off cause it use to be so even for the most part and now it has gone down hill since i got back on at the begging of this year, and im pissed now

[j4ckor]

So is that your argument? Weak, sorry. Maybe you should enhance your vocabulary as it must've been the eleventh or twelvth time in a short period of time I'm reading the word "cancerous" in one of your insubstantial posts.

You can do an insubstantial post also with writing a lot, like you did. While I prefer to write less words and say more. Sorry you don't like my vocabulary, but you should try it, it's perfect to spot trolls and clueless people.

Your post is totally incorrect in every aspect. Starting with Idc gotta farm mention. "numbers relying" playstyle. You sure you play pvp? you sure you are on Icecrown? They always do small premades. And they are the epitome of IC pvp issues? You are definitely a troll, a pretty bad one.

FYI horde was not dead before, we always been in disadvantage yes, but never dead. Now we are.

"The Mercenary Mode didn't change anything about it" again you prove to be totally clueless about what you are saying. It changed ALL the balances, it has substantially thrown fresh blackrock meat to alliance geared premades.

"Mercenary Mode hugely disadvantages Blackrock and Lordaeron" Wrong, again. it disadvanged Icercown horde forst of all, then Lordaeron, then Blackrock. It disadvange everyone. Except alliance that has a lot of easy meat to grind now.

"The main issue is that it's not up to us, the players, to find a solution and solve the problem" FINALLY something right! And what you expect us to do? To stay silent waiting for events? We are here reporting a critical problem introduced by a c-a-n-c-e-r-o-u-s, blind and clueless "feature". All this while staff is feigning dead.

[Norroen]

Did I hurt your feelys or why would you purposefully misinterpret my comment and claim its incorrectness? Instead of nitpicking, read it again. If you still think we got different standpoints, read it over and over again until you get it.

I'm gonna hand out a small explanation to you, anyway: I'm sure I play PVP and I'm quite sure I'm an Icecrown player. And yeah, I'm also sure about the fact that I've seen grander Premades hosted by either them, Old Division or Aftermath, even if it's been a while. They dumbed Battlegrounds down to a mere grinding/farming game, which is, considering AV Enabler's been allowed by the staff, all too natural, but the current reactions are bigotry at its finest. Do you really think anyone's gonna believe the point that they joined Alliance for some kind of balance? That'd be hilarious, but I'm not gonna take the bait. And sure, they're the epitome of IC PVP (more like BG) issues. I mean, it's not like their guild tag already reveals their true intentions, is it? Maybe I just played on the wrong Realms before I went to Warmane ultimately, who knows? Here's the BUT: joining a random battleground (the word "random" also reveals something, you know?) with a 20+ Premade stack to farm a random group isn't PVP nor the intention of a random battleground. If you wanna host big premades, fine, then bug the staff to implement the rated battleground system and fight other guild's premades. The whole approach isn't even my main issue, I just felt the need to dispel some false benefactory.

Still: The Mercenary Mode didn't change anything about it, the balance. It didn't help to solve the problems, it just displaced them. I don't care which side (Icecrown Horde, Blackrock, Lordaeron) suffers the most right now, certain people/players just can't enjoy PVP/BG's anymore and that's all that matters. There's nothing wrong about my initial statement, you're just a lil' *****y, which is fine, but try to provoke that personal war via Private Message next time, as that kind of behavior won't help adressing community problems.

That leads me to my next (and last) point: I don't expect anyone of you to do anything particular. I'd just admonish people to stop telling fairytales or flaming in here, stick to actual facts and try to write objectively. Words like "cancerous" or worse definitely won't force any staff member to take you serious at all - but it's up to you. If that doesn't help eventually, people can still stop donating and leave the server as a consequence, but there's always two sides to every question. As mentioned a few sites back, I do even get the point of creating and featuring the Mercenary Mode live, they really seem to have tried to actually fix a huge problem, but due to a lot of egoistic assclownery and whiny reactions in this thread it's just a half-assed attempt in this very moment. It's not only their fault, it's our fault also because noone actually wants to come to a compromise as improving the experience for EVERYONE would also imply to lower each one's sights equally to reach that goal.

This is supposed to be my last comment in here. As sorted out earlier, we won't come to an agreement anyway.

[j4ckor]

I've understood your standpoint, you claimed it clearly.
I was pointing out what you stated wrongly, the same things you wrote again above.
Yes, sure Idc hosted bigger premades, who didn't? Tkt (or any other guild) didn't? Every pvp guild is hosting bigger and smaller premades. This is the hot water discovery. Pointing them as the cause of pvp issues is just ridiculous. Yes their name explains their intentions, and that's their playstyle.
Vampsy didn't said he joined Alliance to balance things, he said he returned horde with his guild because he tought he could have some fun with small premades

so we first went in alliEns side because on horde every AV which we had it was boring gy farm and we never liked those, but after cross realm happened we saw that horde is lossing like every BG and we belived that in horde side we will enjoy with having nice fights

I'm not an Idc gotta farm member, but I don't like random lying-****ting.
About the fact you join an rbg and you face 20 men premade...what i have to say? Welcome in warmane's BGs.
Generally when you face such big premades means that on the other side there is another premade, bigger as the other one. 90% of the times those fights are cohordinated and planned on discord. If that 20 men premade steps in a bg without premades on the other side is only because they waiting to face the other guild premade. But enough of explaining to you how BGs premade works.

I didn't provoked any war, read your first post, read it again, and maybe you'll get who was the flamer here. You only got a proportionate answer to your tones.

I'm personally ok with "lower sight" to have equality for everyone, I'm also very ok for crossfaction, despite this is against lore but who cares at the moment. The only aim now is to fix this issue. But I'm NOT ok if I want to play BGs and I can't, I'm NOT ok if I want to play in my faction and I can't, because someone decided to do a big mess and this "someone" is going to be silent.

[se98f90se]

Played 15 games on alliance side, and most 10-15 man games were pretty challenging (1500-1400 score etc).
What happened ?

[Drifnur]

Yes, it is implemented. And it shouldn't be, because cancerous.

Is this done by default? Or a toggle/npc somewhere? Didn't get a single game playing as horde.