1. May 26, 2020  

    Tier 7 Enhancement Draenei Shaman BiS List

    Tier 7 Enhancement Draenei Shaman BiS List

    Professions: Engineering + Jewelcrafting

    Head: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40543 - META GEM: Relentless Earthsiege Diamond - GEM: +16 AP +8 Hit rating (Pristine Monarch Topaz 0.30% spell hit)

    Neck: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=44664 [http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40065 has 1.07% spell hit (28 rating) for slightly more hit] - GEM: +16 Hit rating (Rigid Autumn’s Glow 0.61% spell hit)

    Shoulder: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40524 has 4.64 expertise (38 rating) Socket +6 to all stats for Meta gem

    Cloak: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40403

    Chest: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40523 has 2.21% spell hit (58 rating) and 5.37 expertise (44 rating) - GEMS: +68 Hit rating (Rigid Dragon’s Eye x2 +2.60% spell hit)

    Wrist: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40736 has 1.07% spell hit (28 rating)

    Hands: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40520 - GEM: +16 Expertise rating (Precise Scarlet Ruby +1.95 expertise)

    http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=39762 has 1.11% spell hit (29 rating) - GEM: +16 Expertise rating (Precise Scarlet Ruby +1.95 expertise)

    Legs: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40522 has 1.37% spell hit (36 rating) - GEM: +16 Hit rating (Rigid Autumn’s Glow +0.61% spell hit) & +32 Expertise rating (Precise Dragon’s Eye +4.15 expertise)

    Boots: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40549

    Ring 1: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40074 has 1.07% spell hit (28 rating) [http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40717 if you get hit cap with your own methods, superior stats]

    Ring 2: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40474 has 1.22% spell hit (32 rating)

    Main hand: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40383 with Windfury

    Off hand: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40189 has 0.95% spell hit (25 rating)

    Relic: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=42607 [2nd bis is http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=33507 with Badges of Justice (TBC) and 3rd bis is http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=37575 (Borean Tundra quest)]

    Trinket 1: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40431

    Trinket 2: http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=44253 > http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40684 > http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40371 > http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=37390 [If going for 17% spell hit then use http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40256 > http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=37166

    NOTE ABOUT TRINKETS: On fights where Fury of the Five buff will fall off often then Greatness is *probably* #1 trinket 1 and rest follow, http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40371 great for burst like Gothik/KT phase 1, http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=37166 / http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=39257 good for controlled burst like on Malygos sparks, use your imagination...

    IN THIS GEAR:
    Hit Rating: 344 (13% soft spell hit cap as Draenei Shaman)
    Expertise rating: 148 (27/27 just 2 rating above cap rounded up becomes 27 with 9 from Unleashed Rage 3/3)

    I took Jewelcrafting just to be able to reach spell hit & expertise caps, Tailoring is obviously best in slot if you can make it work. Feel free to leave input, this is my conclusion of BiS after playing and theorycrafting Enhancement on Frostmourne since about a week after launch.
    Also before anyone says anything, yes Calamity + WF is better than Wraith Spellhance, especially at BiS. With the current amount of testing I’ve been able to do so far on my Frostmourne Shaman, the traditional Windfury build is superior in many ways to Spellhancement once Calamity’s Grasp is acquired. This is due to a few reasons, the main thing being the large increase in auto attack damage (in combination with the damage from Windfury Attack) being more significant than the loss in spell damage from not using a Spell Power weapon, and this is true even in dungeons and raid fights with constant cleave or AoE.

    A note here is that you will want to go for the 17% hard spell hit cap in order to never miss a spell. Unless you have a Shadow Priest always Mind Searing everything which is unlikely, you will miss some spells on cleave/AoE fights if only going for the 14% soft spell hit cap. When raiding, I can be both hard and soft spell hit capped with a quick trinket and ring change that I can easily swap out before any given encounter. As Enhancement is a hybrid spec and benefits from both Attack Power and Spell Power, we preferably want to use the Fish Feast food buff over, say, an expertise or hit rating food buff. A Hit rating battle elixir can be combined with an Intellect guardian elixir if needed, but obviously, the optimal choice of Alchemy consumable is the Attack Power Flask of Endless Rage.

    And, sorry orcs. You're **** outta luck here. Lol.

  2. May 26, 2020  
    Wouldn't the emblem totem (60 haste) beat http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=42607 120 AP ?
    considering the absymal amount of haste you get in Naxx gear and the fact that you would usually favor 1 haste over 2 AP, I'm a bit surprised

    Also I favor http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40684 over fury of the five flights since I have a LOT of trouble keeping elemental devastation + flurry up in T7 gear, what's your opinion about it?

    Otherwise I agree with everything

  3. June 5, 2020  
    trinkets: grim toll.. uhm hello? hello? Dying Curse, anyone? or sphere, as the armor pene is a waste stat here

  4. @Zeaconn I haven't tested it but I definitely believe that the attack power from Stonebreaker/Deadly totem is superior to the tiny amount of haste from totem of dueling. The stats and proc rates just put Stonebreaker in the lead (it might even be better than lava lash because of how the priority system works, lava lash being at the bottom). Come Ulduar and S6, the Furious totem will be bis by far, Conquest totem looks really bad, lol... About having trouble keeping them up, are you using glyph of Fire Nova? It helps a lot with proccing Devastation. My single target prio system goes 5 stack Bolt > Stormstrike > Flame Shock > Earth Shock > Fire Nova > Lightning Shield =<4 stacks and finally Lava Lash. I often think ahead and space out my fire novas so that I always have something to cast every GCD, if that makes sense. When you play one spec for so many years, it's kind of like walking, it happens automatically. lol

    @Dozorto1Absolutely I would go for Dying Curse if spellhancement, but only if I could get it without stealing it from a caster in my guild. I'm looking forward to trying the Elemental Focus Stone in Ulduar 10. I mentioned

    Honestly after playing for a while since I made this list, I think mirror/whetstone might just be better than any other trinket combo if you don't have greatness/fury of the five flights and can maintain soft spell cap. I think I underestimated whetstone, and haste itself as a secondary stat, even at this gear level.

    When you combine Whetstone proc with Engi gloves you can be at around 1000 haste for 10 seconds which is incredible, especially if you're using fire nova glyph. Using Shamanistic Rage with that haste is like you're playing in ICC gear for 10 seconds :D.

    My gear is setup in a way where I can swap out pieces like my ring (valor ring for strong-handed ring) and trinket from mirror to sphere and have hard spell hit cap. Of course, this is as a draenei.

    Things are looking amazing in Ulduar in terms of Enhancement gearing. There's so much more hit and expertise on everything. Hehe. =)

  5. This is so wrong on so many levels it's not even funny. Message me for bis list if you want. WF is inferior even in bis gear to wraith spellbuild (unless you bad at shaman ). WIth bis WF build u do max 6k dmg on patch while with wraith build 7k is ez dmg.
    Edited: July 17, 2020 Reason: additional info

  6. You might be right with buffs to spell damage and spell crit in raids, my tests that showed windfury superior to wraith flametongue were on dummy and in 5 mans. Do you think wraith will still be better in ulduar with the new weapons? In ulduar bis gear we will be able to get like 500+ more haste on gear due to better stat values, I suppose that would favor flametongue more? Would you only use ap trinkets or consider some sp trinkets for wraith?

    I just did a full run of ulduar 10 in my tier 7 gear and you're absolutely right that wraith strike is better than calamity windfury, about 300 dps. Although, my opinion on this is that it's only a dps increase under certain conditions. In order for flametongue+wraith to do more dps than calamity+windfury (this might change with ulduar weapons), you HAVE to be able to attack the boss with judgment of wisdom 100% of the time with NO movement, otherwise you will go out of mana due to so much mana lost when not having windfury attacks proccing during shamanistic rage. I gained 300 dps on 2nd try of XT (we were going for hard mode but went normal after one wipe) but I oomed on iron council and my DPS tanked due to having to replace magma totem so much and not having judgment of wisdom all the time.

    @Hehastaught Would you agree? Maybe you can swap to calamity with windfury every minute for shamanistic rage, not sure if it would help that much without windfury glyph, but it actually might. I'll have to do more testing in the next ulduar 10 man. Flametongue would do even more dps in 25 man so it would most probably be very worth it in 25 mans. This is very interesting and thought provoking! Thanks for challenging my post. =)

    Ulduar notes:

    Fire Elemental bosses

    Fire Elemental bosses

    Razorscale - when it lands 2nd time
    XT Deconstructor Hard Mode only - after heart is down, Use Shamanistic Rage every tantrum
    Iron Council Hard Mode - use fire elemental on the last one (giant)
    Kologarn - only on 10 man
    Auiraya - when attack power trinket procs
    Thorim - idk it seems to kinda just die but on trinket proc I guess
    Freya - in phase 4 on either side
    Mimiron - when attack power trinket procs in phase 1 or phase 2 (searing phase 3 magma phase 4)
    Vezax - when attack power trinket procs, then searing totem
    Yogg - last phase use fire elemental so adds don’t oneshot you with magma totem aggro



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    25 man - FLAMETONGUE ALL BOSSES WITH GLYPH it’s just broken with glyph WTF

    Flametongue vs Windfury Main Hand

    Razorscale - Flametongue
    Ignis - Windfury? Tons of magma totem replacement
    XT Deconstructor - Flametongue
    Iron Council - Flametongue
    Kologarn - Flametongue
    Auiraya - Flametongue
    Hodir - Flametongue and use Flametongue glyph for storm cloud
    Thorim - Flametongue
    Mimiron - Flametongue
    Vezax - Flametongue and swap to windfury main hand when using shamanistic rage AND SWAP FIRE NOVA GLYPH TO FERAL SPIRIT (at least on 25 man)
    Yogg - Flametongue, swap to windfury main hand when using shamanistic rage in last phase if low on mana

    Edit: 27/7 after yet another ulduar 10, it's pretty clear that flametongue wraith strike is disgustingly overpowered...

    Edit again: 29/7, after doing a full run of ulduar 25 and trying out flametongue glyph for the double stacking spell crit in combination with debuffs and moonkin putting me at basically 40% spell crit the entire raid I have nothing else to say than it is just busted. Blizzard clearly underbuffed windfury so it wouldn't be too strong in PvP and as a result this build is way superior to windfury in pve. Not sure if WF will be king again with Golden Saronite Dragon from FL25hard... We will see in about a month I guess.

    My biggest quandary right now is whether improved stormstrike is supposed to be working on vezax or not, and if shamanistic rage mana gains are actually getting "intensified" as the debuff aura to enhancement shamans apparently is supposed to do...
    Edited: July 29, 2020 Reason: Updated information

  7. Soz for late reply:: Yes in uld WF becomes better slightly tho!! IF you are resto and can get val anyr u can continue with the build but thats highly unlikely :'D

    Bis Weps Golden saronite and caress of insanity but prior to that you can have superior numbers with double ft

    Now it's not OP!!!!

    Main thing is this is not blizzzlike at all!!!!

    The main thing why this double FT build works because in later patch (ICC patch) the FT damageg got normalised at an insane value (something like 4.2 speed) AND the totems are not counted as spells anymore so stuff like Firenova wont reset your swing timer . Now on retail this didnt affect the game at all as in ICC WF build is super superior due to raw amount of AP but on 3.3.5 patched wotlk/ulduar content its actually freaking massive.

    So its not op, not an oversight or underbuff from blizz it simply got changed in later patcch.
    Edited: August 6, 2020 Reason: spelling

  8. Thanks for the reply Hehas! I'm glad to know that there is potential for windfury with the Saronite Dragon! ^^ My guildies will finally stop crying about "broken spec" once I get that wep and play Enhancement like blizzard intended! That sounds nuts what you're mentioning, I don't see any sign of those changes in the patch notes! Although I am aware of the weapon speed normalization of Flametongue Weapon that occurred in patch 3.1 (as far as I know)! Changing the meta of Enhancement Shamans dual wielding Flametongue with fast weapons and daggers (fire knives build) in Naxxramas to using a slow offhand weapon with attack power Windfury main hand. Never had any idea about Fire Nova resetting swing timer, that sounds like an unintentional blizzard bug rather than an intentional mechanic that was removed! Interesting though. =)

    If you have time, please check out this thread and discuss the tier 8 best in slot with me so other Shaman can see! Thanks again. http://forum.warmane.com/showthread.php?t=423991

  9. Im pretty sure the normalization for FT was a nerf to spellhancement. Spellhancement was definitly pre nerf FT a thing, because you could stack really fast weapons to make FT proc even more and it was pretty broken in early wotlk.

    With no doubt, spellpower built is superior to WF and this will most likely remain the whole expansion. WF can outperform spellhancement in singletarget, however not in all scenarios, simply because Spellhancement grants more consistency.

    Well calling it spellhancement on the otherhand is kinda wrong tho because all you want is a spellpower mainhand and a trinket. While the MH is important, the trinket is not essential for dealing good dps.
    Reason why this just works is because blizzard fcked up spellpower-weapons giving way too much spellpower making the hugh amount of spellpower just better for enhancement shaman, compared to a poopy stat holder Mainhand for melees.

    I mean preg spec /hybrid ret has literally the same issue and is to an extend better than ret for pvp..

    At the end, stick to what you enjoy to play. I personally like spellhancement way more than traditional WF because it makes ENH actually viable in terms of raw dps - hell you can outdps or atleast match dps literally any other class in ulduar content - and that might be harder to archieve as traditional enhancement.

    As a sidenote regarding your trinket choices:
    As an enhancement you want consistency, i would say FFF or Illustration (for spellbuild) remains BIS.

    I've got a question by myself tho:
    Does someone have a macro for calculating critcap? I've got one but im not entirely sure if it works correct because im pretty sure that my critcap should be lower than 55%.

  10. I wanna delete this thread lol. It's embarrassing how wrong I was about Enhancement back then.

  11. I wanna delete this thread lol. It's embarrassing how wrong I was about Enhancement back then.
    Can you share your latest thoughts and updates?

  12. Spellhance is without a doubt superior to Windfury from Naxx and probably even late into ICC, and I prefer its consistency far more than the randomness of Windfury procs.
    Randomly doing 30k damage in less than a second at the start of a fight and getting one-shot by the boss isn't fun.
    Sitting on 1 Maelstrom stack for several moments before suddenly getting 5 stacks out of nowhere in an instant due to a Windfury proc is frustrating, and so is going what feels like forever without proccing Windfury.

    As far as gearing goes, the stat combination hit+haste on gear is invaluable. Only use spell power cloth/leather items if they are hit/haste and that armor slot has no corresponding hit+haste or crit+haste agility mail/leather item around the same item level.
    A good example would be BiS boots in TOGC - The only mail boots without armor penetration are the crit+haste agility mail boots from Jaraxxus 10HC, but their haste stat is abysmally low - So I put Boots of the Icy Floe in my BiS list because they have considerably more haste and are hit+haste as well as item level 258. An overall much higher stat value and also allow you to get hit capped with only one +20 hit gem (troll/orc).
    Another example, BiS belt and neck in Naxxramas - the item level 226 and 213 agility necklaces, and agility mail belt are either crit+arp or crit+hit, so I went for the Wyrmrest Necklace of Power and Cincture of Polarity instead of Fool's Trial and Torn Web Wrapping. These choices result in a much higher haste rating value because of not having to gem nearly as much hit rating, due to the large amount of hit+haste on the spell power items.
    If there are agility items with hit+haste at a similar item level as spell power hit+haste items, the agility ones are superior. Example - Leather hit+haste belt from Twin Val'kyr 25HC is BiS for (Spell) Enhancement in ToC. Any cloth hit+haste belt is not. That doesn't mean that they cannot be a very good upgrade, though. I was able to pick up an Icehowl Binding from ZA10 today to replace my Belt of Dragons, which allowed me to reach 14% spell hit without gemming any hit rating. I'm now almost at 900 haste rating because of that upgrade. Hopefully I'll be able to get Twin Val'kyr belt from TOGC25 soon. =)

  13. Can you Link your t7 bis list for spellhancer?? I would Like to know :)

  14. bis list/breakdown

    Spellhance is without a doubt superior to Windfury from Naxx and probably even late into ICC, and I prefer its consistency far more than the randomness of Windfury procs.
    Randomly doing 30k damage in less than a second at the start of a fight and getting one-shot by the boss isn't fun.
    Sitting on 1 Maelstrom stack for several moments before suddenly getting 5 stacks out of nowhere in an instant due to a Windfury proc is frustrating, and so is going what feels like forever without proccing Windfury.

    As far as gearing goes, the stat combination hit+haste on gear is invaluable. Only use spell power cloth/leather items if they are hit/haste and that armor slot has no corresponding hit+haste or crit+haste agility mail/leather item around the same item level.
    A good example would be BiS boots in TOGC - The only mail boots without armor penetration are the crit+haste agility mail boots from Jaraxxus 10HC, but their haste stat is abysmally low - So I put Boots of the Icy Floe in my BiS list because they have considerably more haste and are hit+haste as well as item level 258. An overall much higher stat value and also allow you to get hit capped with only one +20 hit gem (troll/orc).
    Another example, BiS belt and neck in Naxxramas - the item level 226 and 213 agility necklaces, and agility mail belt are either crit+arp or crit+hit, so I went for the Wyrmrest Necklace of Power and Cincture of Polarity instead of Fool's Trial and Torn Web Wrapping. These choices result in a much higher haste rating value because of not having to gem nearly as much hit rating, due to the large amount of hit+haste on the spell power items.
    If there are agility items with hit+haste at a similar item level as spell power hit+haste items, the agility ones are superior. Example - Leather hit+haste belt from Twin Val'kyr 25HC is BiS for (Spell) Enhancement in ToC. Any cloth hit+haste belt is not. That doesn't mean that they cannot be a very good upgrade, though. I was able to pick up an Icehowl Binding from ZA10 today to replace my Belt of Dragons, which allowed me to reach 14% spell hit without gemming any hit rating. I'm now almost at 900 haste rating because of that upgrade. Hopefully I'll be able to get Twin Val'kyr belt from TOGC25 soon. =)
    Would also like to hear more/see a list. Is there already a link you can share that you worked off of by chance? Very interested in spellhance for the next season.

  15. Have you used any simulator when you put up this list? For example http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=42607 isn't BiS totem. This one is - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40322.
    Edited: November 20, 2021

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