WotLK Pre ICC gear?

[JMF12]

Returning ret paladin player with a knack to be socially inept so i haven't asked someone ingame but i can ask here, what to buy?, been hoarding frost and triumph emblems because i fear i will buy useless junk that will make me reach the gs everyone ask for but nothing else
also all guides i have found are for end game after icc and for pre raid so no luck

[angrylol]

Your first buy is Libram for EoT,
Then T9 Set 4/5.
Then you can buy a trinket for EoT with Hit Rating+attak power use. If necessary to cap Hit Rating.
Off-set parts you can buy after you got all this, you can get good offparts from dungeons etc. Things like shoulder+head for EoT is a "noob-trap", more expensive and gives you less power compared to T9 set parts.

Depending How many EoF you got, buy T10 set in parts of 2 and replace T9 set(t9 set 2 part bonus + t10 set 2 part bonus). Retri paladins don't use set gloves, so don't waste emblems on that.

You can buy Voodins lucky Neck and Ring of rotting Sinew, great boost.
You can buy crafted wrists and boots, pretty expensive, but works great. Don't buy pants, since you will use set item(for Expertise Rating).

Join a guild(probably "progression" guild), clear ICC/RS as much as you can.

TL:DR
Buy EoT Libram, it's cheapest and highest stat gain.
Buy Set 4 parts to have set bonus, it's a "core" of your gear, then build around it.
Cap necessary things - Hit Rating, Expertise Rating.

[JMF12]

Thanks for replying, what is libram for eoT?
also already had voodin neck and ring. got a better idea
http://armory.warmane.com/character/...ecrown/summary
one more thing what gloves can use besides t10?, are the castlecrasher ones good?

[angrylol]

What I'd do if that would be my char:
Buy
http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47661 - 25 EoT
T9 Helmet - 50 EoT
T9 Shoulders - 30 EoT
(4 part set bonus unlocked)
http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47572 - AH/other players
http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47734 - 50 EoT (replace PvP trinket) (hit rating is capped)
http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=42987 - can use this instead of Scorpion trinket if you have funds(or instead of http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47734 if you want to cap Hit Rate with gems and leave your current Wrist instead of buying --- this is probably more viable, cheaper option)
Your gloves are fine

Replace gems:
Few expertise gems to get closer to 26 Expertise (You have 21 Expertise now)(expertise is capped or close)
Use primarily STR gems, maybe str+crit in yellow slots(if that unlocks socket bonus)
Use proper Meta gem (Relentless Earthsiege 21agil+3% Crit dmg)
Use 1 Nightmare tear(in blue socket) to unlock Meta Gem
Note to not use any other gem that matches Blue socket except Nightmare Tear. You lose stats compared to simply ignoring socket bonus and dumping in +20 STR gems, forgot about this sry. Example, you lose 4 STR on your boots and gain 15 stamina(which does nothing for you), so just use 2 x 20 STR and ignore bonus. Use 20 STR+ 10 All stats in chest to unlock bonus and Meta socket, 2 birds with one stone.

Enchant all my gear:
helm http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=44149
shoulders http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50335
pants http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=38374
Cape - 23 haste
Wrist - attack power
Gloves - attack power
Boots - attack power
Weapon - Berserking

Respec to usual cookie cutter Retri spec: https://wotlkdb.com/?talent#sVVzZVZVfbtbIuhdIfsu:G0om [note glyphs too]

I highly suggest you find some Retri guides in this forum.

[Thorbjorn]

What I'd do if that would be my char:
Buy
http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47661 - 25 EoT
T9 Helmet - 50 EoT
T9 Shoulders - 30 EoT
(4 part set bonus unlocked)
http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47572 - AH/other players
http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47734 - 50 EoT (replace PvP trinket) (hit rating is capped)
Your gloves are fine

Replace gems:
Few expertise gems to get closer to 26 Expertise (You have 21 Expertise now)(expertise is capped or close)
Use primarily STR gems, maybe str+crit in yellow slots(if that unlocks socket bonus)
Use proper Meta gem (Relentless Earthsiege 21agil+3% Crit dmg)
Use 1 Nightmare tear(in blue socket) to unlock Meta Gem

Enchant all my gear:
helm http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=44149
shoulders http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50335
pants http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=38374
Cape - 20 haste
Wrist - attack power
Gloves - attack power
Boots - attack power
Weapon - Berserking

Respec to usual cookie cutter Retri spec: https://wotlkdb.com/?talent#sVVzZVZVfbtbIuhdIfsu:G0om

I highly suggest you find some Retri guides in this forum.

Isn't 22 agility preferable on cloak when we're talking about Ret?

[angrylol]

Not sure about scaling at that gear, but usually haste is better(and cheaper too). but difference is like 15 DPS or something. That is with raid buffs, haste auras and all that stuff. On dummy self buff probably agil is better.

Biggest use of that enchant is to display that gear is enchanted and effort has been put in, that's the point imo.

[JMF12]

Not sure about scaling at that gear, but usually haste is better(and cheaper too). but difference is like 15 DPS or something. That is with raid buffs, haste auras and all that stuff. On dummy self buff probably agil is better.

Biggest use of that enchant is to display that gear is enchanted and effort has been put in, that's the point imo.

is not agi for hunters?

[angrylol]

Sure, but retri scales very good from agility. While gearing is not that important and you should let Agility classes get priority on those items, but as "best in slot" retri uses some Agility items. That will give more DPS than same level STR items, because agility items have "more" stats(less stamina), despite STR being your most powerful stat.

[Bastardbottle]

I would get Banner of Victory trinket from shop even though it has arp on it rather than mark due while gearing he/she ll have enourmous amount of hit rating prolly and banner's proc is quite nice. But If I remember correctly there were some trinkets with crit, atk instead of arp, you guys know.

[JMF12]

Sure, but retri scales very good from agility. While gearing is not that important and you should let Agility classes get priority on those items, but as "best in slot" retri uses some Agility items. That will give more DPS than same level STR items, because agility items have "more" stats(less stamina), despite STR being your most powerful stat.

i see, and what about gloves ,chest and belt?

[angrylol]

Yes, if you can get things in point store, that would be great boost

Here are pre-icc trinkets ranked in approximate power, strongest on top:
1. http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=42987
2. http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45609
3. http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=46038
4. http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45931
5. http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50198
6. http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=45263
7. http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=40431
8. http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=47214
.
.
13. http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=42136

Maybe forgot some and some value can change depending on your gear, but this is good ranking in general. (Unless you need Hit Rating to cap it, then EoT trinket jumps to top 1 spot)

i see, and what about gloves ,chest and belt?

Nothing much can be done about those items, keep waht you have until you get some better from ICC, maybe TOC. Defenately not worth to spend emblems on those, unless you already have full set bought.

Chest - you use set item. You already have it, next upgrade there will be T10 set - http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50328 (95 EoF)
Gloves - next meaningful upgrade will probably be http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50037 from ICC25. http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50188 works pretty great too.
Waist - not sure, I guess whatever works, there are bunch of +hit +exp and that kind of stuff plate belts. Nice would be http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50778 if your group is ok to give it to you. http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/item=50707 is Best in slot for retri pala.

generally what you are looking for is crit+haste or agility+crit(+haste in perfect world) but above that is to keep your expertise and hit rating at caps.

Gear is secondary. What you need is experience, read a bunch of guides about your class and raid mechanics.

[JMF12]

first, thanks for your help, second so i have to change everything but the gloves/belt and should enter icc with the crap ones even if i could buy set/gate crasher ones?
also experienced or not, ppl just keep harping about GS so gotta fill it somehow

[angrylol]

There are more important things to buy, if you spend EoF on those items - it's a major setback by a few weeks to farm EoF again. First thing you buy for EoF is T10 set. Those little stats you would gain are just not worth it. You can buy those items after you have 4/5 T10. And your gloves are pretty decent, 232 ilvl with perfect stats for you.
GS is nice and great, but I think being seen as "gs stacker" instead of someone with a plan who stacks actual power will hurt your chances more.

[JMF12]

There are more important things to buy, if you spend EoF on those items - it's a major setback by a few weeks to farm EoF again. First thing you buy for EoF is T10 set. Those little stats you would gain are just not worth it. You can buy those items after you have 4/5 T10. And your gloves are pretty decent, 232 ilvl with perfect stats for you.
GS is nice and great, but I think being seen as "gs stacker" instead of someone with a plan who stacks actual power will hurt your chances more.

late reply, according to your guide i wont be using EOF anyway lol...besides t10 chest

[angrylol]

Hmm? You will use 4 parts of T10 set., and glove slot will be non-set item.

I'm confused, I don't know waht guide you are referring to, but if you read any guide you will see that retri paladins use 4 items of t10 set - to unlock all set bonuses.

Usually people are replacing their T9 set with T10 set, by two parts each time. So now you have 4/5 T9 set, you farm enough emblems for 2 T10 parts and then go ahead, replace that T9. For example, 155 EoF to get T10 shoulders+helmet. So now you have T9 chest+pants and T10 helmet+shoulders. Get the next 190 EoF to replace remaining T9 so you have full T10 set bonus + non-set gloves.

I don't know how to be any more clearer, first 345 EoF you ever get will be spent to get 4/5 T10 set. Not some stupid waist or trinket. That's the effective way, since you are probably starting to do some progress in ICC and will get those good gloves from Festergut, every potato raid kills it. But, I mean, do whatever you want, get those gloves for EoF if you want them, idk.