[WotLK 3.3.5] Complete End-game Feral Dps PvE Guide

**Ayizan** · January 9, 2021

1) Introduction

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2) Why listen to me?

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3) Talents, Glyphs, & Professions

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The best Profession options:

Jewelcrafting: This profession provides the most stat benefit of any profession with 3 +34 gems, for a total +42 stat increase. Considering you can choose from any stat you need, makes it much more useful than for example, static +80 ap from enchanting.

Engineering: Basically a must-have for late ICC. The dps increase is not that impressive - 340 haste for 12 seconds on gloves, with a 1 minute cd - but the utility from nitro boots is second to none. As a melee you’re generally going to be close to the mechanics that will kill you and/or everyone else (like defile), so having quick nitro boots can save the day on many occasions. You also get +24 crit with nitro boots, and +23 agility on cloak along with the parachute. Similarly, the sapper charge bomb, saronite bombs, and chicken buff (all are explained under Consumables) all make engineering even better.

Blacksmithing: This is a viable option particularly if you also go tank offspec, because of the extra socket on bracers and gloves. Net total of +40 stat gain, so it slightly lags behind Jewelcrafting. This profession + JC are BiS for pvp arenas though, if you play them.

Tailoring: This is solely considerable because of the Swordguard Embroidery on cloak - 400 ap proc for 15 seconds about every minute. It’s a good proc, but JC static damage will still be higher and more useful.

Personally, JC + Engineer is the best combination.

Glyphs:

Glyph of Rip: Increases the duration of Rip by 4 seconds.
Glyph of Savage Roar: Savage Roar grants an additional 3% bonus damage done.
Glyph of Shred: Each time you Shred, your duration of Rip is extended by 2 seconds on the target, up to a maximum of 6 seconds.
Minors: Glyph of Dash, Glyph of the Wild, Glyph of Unburdened Rebirth.

Talents

Essentially, all changes in the specs will relate to 4 main talents:

Feral Instinct

This talent increases damage done by Swipe by 10% increments, up to 30%. Since a wide variety of bosses benefit from Swipe; such as Marrowgar, Lady HC, Sindragosa, Lich King, and Halion, this talent should normally be used. However, if you take dual-spec to min max certain other bosses, you may be able to drop this temporarily. I will explain more about this below.

Improved Leader of the Pack

Disregard what your GM says about “helping the guild” with the raid healing from this talent, because it does virtually nothing. What this talent does do, however, is replenish your mana mid-fight. On fights like Sindragoa and Lich King, there will be multiple chances to use GotW mid-fight for a free clearcasting proc without sacrificing any damage. This is a must-have talent if you plan to do this. HOWEVER, it is completely unnecessary for virtually all other bosses.

Improved Mangle

Reduces the energy cost of Mangle by 2 per talent point. This is not a large dps increase, however, for lack of other better talents this can be useful in specific specs.

Nurturing Instinct

This is an often completely overlooked talent, but shouldn’t be! It is a good talent for maxing damage of bosses like Sindragosa, because of the 20% increase of healing to you, you can essentially completely ignore stacks and never stop dpsing. If you’re on Icecrown you probably ignore them anyway, but I got a lot of use out of this talent when we were progressing Sindragosa HC on Lordaeron. Also, if you’re greedy on Lich King or your adds tank sucks on Halion hc, this talent could help save you when tanking adds you got aggro of.

Best Overall Spec

If you're not dual-speccing cat, then this spec will serve you the best. With full points in both Feral Instinct and Improved Leader of the Pack, you can maximize all of your abilities on every boss - whether that boss calls for Swipe or using GotW or both. If you're not using GotW very often and have issues with surviving for any reason, go 1/2 points in Improved Leader of the Pack and 1/1 Survival Instincts instead.

The “Screw the Raid” Spec

With Swipe and Mangle, but nothing defensive, this spec is my most commonly used spec. It offers the most maximum cleave advantage with the mangle energy advantage and is good on almost every boss, with the exception of minmaxing Sindy and LK.

Sindragosa Spec

YES - Swipe IS good on Sindy. However, with only 2 tombs at a time, it's not that good. If you're at that point where you have to stop dpsing the boss due to stacks, or you want to go greedy on the last phase like me and ignore the magic debuff, then this spec will help you survive being a brainless dpser (but top of the charts). Use Survival Instincts when you really think that you're about to kill yourself, and GotW on blistering.

Single-target All the Way Spec

For pure single-target bosses like DBS, and Festergut. Essentially, the difference between this spec and the Sindy spec is instead of using defensive talents, you go full mangle for a little extra energy advantage.

As you can see, there are many different possibilities on how to min-max your spec to best suit certain boss fights and your own personal playstyle and circumstances. If you tend to have aggro problems in your guild, going defensive so that adds won’t kill you could benefit you more than someone else who has no issue with aggro. Or for say, in my experience I’ve had endless aggro problems in pug runs as compared to guild runs. I’ve used the first two specs more often than the latter two, but have gotten good use out of all.

4) Stats

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What to consider

Stats to consider on feral is not as straight-forward as one may think. Essentially, there are 3 primary ways to play feral - agility cat, strength cat, and haste cat. Or a combination of these. It is important to look at these stats and what they mean before we discuss gear in the next section.

Stat Breakdown

Must have stats:

Expertise - 26 : This is the cap for not getting dodged or parried standing behind the boss, NOT in front of it - you will still get messed up there.

Hit Rating - 8% / 263 : I actually run 7.9% (259) hit rating and never register misses, so it works fine for me. However, I wouldn’t go any lower than 7.9%. If you’re alliance and often have a Draenei in the group, have another gear piece set aside with less hit gems to bring you down to 7% (230) so you can maximize your stats.

Important stats:

Crit chance - Crit rng is an integral part of feral dps since we get 2 combo points from them, and without crits the spec becomes very sluggish and clunky to play. Generally a ballpark around 73%+ crit in raid, and 76%+ in combat. You’ll have about 67-69% completely unbuffed with BiS gear (depends on your gem setup).

One major thing to consider with crit is that you can reach white hit cap - It's 80.8% crit in raids. This means that your white hits, which make up 30% of your damage, will ALWAYS crit once you reach this amount. This means, you have to decide whether it's worth it for you to continue gemming agility vs. other stats like haste and strength. That being said, you can generally only reach 80.8% in combat with procs like agility dbw proc.

Armor penetration - 1400 arp is the official cap, though on Warmane 1397-1399 is also just as good, so you do not need to be exact. Every point over 1400 however, is a waste. Having 1397-1400 is required for every feral.

The Contentious stats:

Agility - 1 agility = 1 attack power, 2 armor, and some small percentage of crit. This is undeniably the go-to stat until BiS. Once BiS, you can choose to stack this stat, strength, or even haste. Agility is the stat that I chose to stack once BiS since I prefer crit over attack power, and I find little use in having more haste.

Strength - 1 strength = ~2.6 attack power. This is buffed in raids by Blessing of Kings 10% stat buff. Some BiS ferals prefer to stack strength instead of crit preferring the raw power over extra rng, it really is personal preference. However, I personally consider this the weakest of the 3 options here.

Haste - Generally about 10% haste is the minimum for a BiS feral. With Umbrage wrists, Shadowvault Cloak, and Sindragosa neck you’ll be at 10.9% haste, which seems plenty to me. The usefulness of this stat is debated - everyone knows that haste is good, but nobody seems to know how good. With some testing I figured out that 2.93% haste (from gloves, since they will always be bis) compared to 10.9% results in about 5 hits more/minute. This is particularly good from an rng perspective since more hits equals more chances for Omen of Clarity proc. Some ferals gem haste at BiS gear, although personally it does not seem worth it to me as the amount of haste you get is very minimal, unless you fully gem it everywhere, and it translates into a questionable amount of extra damage.

5) Gear, Gems, & Enchants

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6) Consumables

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7) Macros & Addons

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8) Rotation/Priority List

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THERE IS NO ROTATION FOR FERAL. You have a set amount of abilities that you need to use in different circumstances and with different priorities.

This is the key for your absolute best damage - Savage Roar, Rake, and Rip NEVER drop, Tiger’s Fury is used on cooldown while simultaneously having low energy, and you get in as many Ferocious Bites as possible. Our goals as ferals is to try to accomplish this as best we can.

Do not waste timers, do not waste energy (anything over 100 is a waste), and do not waste combo points (never use another combo-point giving ability when you are already at 5.

So what abilities should you use when?

Savage Roar -
Your most important ability because it has the largest damage increase of any other ability - 33% increased damage on every ability. This should never drop. HOWEVER - try not to clip it either. If there are 3 seconds left and you have low energy and other bleed timers are okay, then just wait out the savage roar before resetting it with your current combo points. Be efficient.
Rip -
Your most powerful bleed ability and needs to stay up 24/7 to get efficient damage. It is always preferable to reset Rip than to waste the combo points on a Ferocious Bite - however, DO NOT CLIP IT.
Rake -
Your 2nd bleed ability that is also your most low-energy ability. It should not be used unnecessarily but can sometimes be clipped in order to have enough combo points to reset another, more important ability.
Shred -
Your 2nd highest damage ability after melee hits. Your main combo point builder.
Ferocious Bite -
This ability is the key between good feral dps and great feral dps; the more bites the better. Only use on 5 combo points and do NOT pool energy to use this ability. You get the most damage per energy using it at the minimum needed energy.
Faerie Fire & Nature’s Grasp
These are padding abilities that you should get used to using when you have no energy for anything else, as they have a chance to proc Omen of Clarity.

Opening Burst:
This is a contentious topic as many different ferals have many different ways of bursting the boss. In my experience my opener is one of the rarer types, however, I’ve also accomplished most, if not all, of the highest feral numbers on Lordaeron so I believe the outcome speaks for itself. My opener is as follows:

Mangle (via omen of clarity from pre-pull) -> Rake -> IF 4 cp use Savage Roar, IF not -> Shred (until 4-5 combo points, whichever comes first) -> Savage Roar -> (Now, make sure that you are at 0 energy before doing this) Tiger’s Fury + Berserk -> Shred to 5 combo points -> Rip -> Rake -> Shred to 5 -> Ferocious Bite -> Shred to 5 -> Ferocious Bite (IF combo points were easy, if not, you may have to refresh savage roar insead) -> berserk over, resume normal priority rotation.

The first thing you’ll notice is that I do NOT open with berserk - I find that to be a complete waste of time. Why open with berserk when your first hit will cost 0 energy due to you properly precasting Omen of Clarity? Why use your BEST damage-dealing ability when you don’t even have Savage Roar 33% damage up yet? The ONLY thing opening with berserk gives you is 3-4 extra seconds of STS proc...which doesn’t matter if you don’t have Savage Roar.
Similarly, it is important to start with at least 4 combo points in Savage Roar - because if you have anything less than 4, you'll have Roar + Rip run out at the same time along with struggling to get any more bites out. It can seriously mess up the rotation and cause you problems, so always go for a minimum of 4.

Burst Option 2:
This burst is more commonly used than the one above, however is a "safer" burst as it allows you to maintain your timers easier without the help of rng like Clearcasting procs. You can do generally equal damage with both openers, and one is not particularly better than the other. You can choose which one feels better for you.

Berserk -> Mangle -> Savage Roar (if 2cp, otherwise use rake first) -> Rake - > Shred to 5cp -> 5cp Rip -> Shred to 5cp, or until end of Berserk due to the amount of energy that Ferocious Bite takes, Shred can sometimes be more valuable -> Ferocious Bite -> Tiger's Fury -> Shred -> 2cp Roar -> Shred to 5cp -> reset 5cp Rip -> resume normal priority rotation.

How to Use Clearcasting
This is also a highly debated topic...as is everything. I will tell you how I use Clearcasting in the most effective way for me. Primarily, I do not let it mess up my normal priority list depending on two main factors : 1st, if I am starting at zero energy, desperately need a Rake or Rip, and using Clearcasting on Shred means I won't get a hit from either of these bleeds for at least 2-3 seconds, then I simply use it on the bleed that I need. If you are at higher energy levels you can afford to use Clearcasting on an extra Shred, regardless of whether you have 5 combo points or not, because you can instantly use the ability that you need to refresh afterwards (assuming that it isn't Savage Roar). Personally, I generally don't use Shred at 5 combo points regardless of whether I can afford to or not, it's simply not how I like to play. But yes, in theory you can get more damage out of that in certain situations.
Finally, I do use it on Ferocious Bites if it's applicable.

How and When to use Ferocious Bite
The thing about playing cats is that unless they are EXACTLY the same, every single one plays differently. The amount of haste, agility, and crit every cat has makes it feel different - the amount of procs, the amount of crits, etc. So you will have to learn your character and what exactly works for yours. However, this is how I generally judge using FB:
Ferocious Bite is a very powerful filler ability. For me, I need Savage Roar to be above 12 seconds left, & Rip and Rake to be no more than about half over each, as they both have different timers. Once I judge that I can safely use a full combo point Ferocious Bite without any of my other timers dropping for a significant amount of time, then I use it. I normally get in over 10 on an average fight like Festergut.
The worst thing you can do is use FB and then immediately drop an important timer like Roar or Rip, leaving you without energy, combo points, or damage.

9) Importance of Hysteria

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10) Boss Fight Tactics

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I’ll describe some tips and tricks for Icecrown Citadel and Ruby Sanctum 25m Heroic. I’m not outlining all boss tactics, but just some things that I believe the average feral may not know and could benefit from.

Halion

Feral dps is by far the most efficient dps class on RS25hc, no questions asked. NOBODY can match our cleave or in most cases boss damage as well. We have the best burst cleave in the entire game. You should always be with the outside group. If you are not top dps throughout the entire fight and the end, you’re doing it wrong.

Save Berserk + Hysteria for the first adds pack in p1, you should see a minimum of 110k damage per swipe, up to ~130k. Use it again on the first adds pack in p3, or second if it is not off CD yet. NEVER START CLEAVING WITHOUT SAVAGE ROAR.

You will need to pool energy before the add packs spawn, as well as save Tiger’s Fury. You will likely not be using Rip for most of the fight due to this, as you need Rake + Shred to keep Savage Roar indefinitely up. Self-proccing clearcasting via GotW is also viable here before adds spawn.

Your adds tank should keep the adds in range of Halion, so you should be able to always keep Halion targeted and white hitting as you cleave the adds. If your tank is in Africa, tell him to move. Worst case, start tabbing to be able to cleave the adds.

Lord Marrowgar

Stand slightly to the side before bone spikes spawn, in order to have all 3 and boss within cleave range assuming that all 3 spikes spawn under boss. There is some rng to this, as if you get spiked it will take longer for your spike to be killed at the side, and damage is significantly reduced if less than 3 spikes spawn under the boss.

Don’t use feral charge to reach the boss during Bonestorm, it’s not worth the energy and having to run out, simply save Dash and Nitro Boosts for Bonestorm.

Lady Deathwhisper

I recommend using Berserk at the start (following my normal burst rotation) because it will still be up for the first adds pack. Proper cleaving on adds is key to topping this boss. Move quickly and efficiently to have all adds in range.

On p2 it is viable to go cleave adds with the warriors, however you’ll likely do better staying on boss.

Deathbringer Saurfang

Nothing particularly special about this boss, but it is usually used as the benchmark of single target dps. Never use any sort of aoe, only focus boss.

Use the normal burst rotation and get your Blood DK to use hysteria immediately on burst unless you know for sure that your guild will kill it in under 3 minutes, then coordinate with him for your berserk and trinket procs.

Professor Putricide

NEVER WASTE COMBO POINTS, even when switching targets. Always refresh Savage Roar or apply another Rip.

Multi-dotting PP and the ooze is useful for getting an extra edge.

Use feral charge often to get around quickly - especially when you have to stack on green while you have orange debuff. You can use feral charge to immediately jump over to orange the second green knocks back.

Use Berserk at the start, I don’t care what your raid leader says. This makes the cd line up perfectly for the rest of the fight, as it should come up again around the same time as p2 orange spawn and then again early in p3.

Sindragosa

For some reason people seem to believe that feral is not a top dps on Sindragosa, which is complete nonsense. Unless you get terrible rng, you should always be top 5 - with hysteria you can be 1st on this boss.
Pretty average Sindy burst - https://i.imgur.com/ZLPbUUX.png

For the entirety of p1 you can pretty much completely ignore http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=70107 debuff. However, I would start being careful if you manage to reach over 10 stacks. If you have bad healers or are simply stuck on progressing, I recommend using my Sindragosa spec that I outlined above. With that spec this debuff becomes a complete non-event.

On p2 you do not need to reset http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=72530 on every tomb, I would recommend resetting on every other or until your stacks start getting high around 6-7. To dodge resetting just ignore targeting the tomb and go on the boss around it, just be careful of los’ing your healers. You may get tailswiped here doing this, feral charge back.

You can feral charge boss once as she flies up for air phase, getting 1-2 abilities in.

During air phase, you should still have Savage Roar up once tombs spawn but if you don’t, quickly get a 1-2 combo point Roar up. Stack 5 combo points on 1 high-health tomb and then use Swipe to cleave them down to low health. On the last frost bomb, use your 5 combo points to reset Savage Roar and kill the tombs via swipe before going back on the boss.

Use bear form if you get targeted for tomb, especially on p2.

Use GotW to proc a free Clearcasting during http://wotlk.cavernoftime.com/spell=70123, air phase, and any other break time you may get during the fight.

Lich King

Feral is incredibly strong on LoD as one of the best Valkyr cleavers and single-target dpsers. By the end of the fight, you should be top 5 or close on top Valkyr damage, competing with rets, boomies, and udks in particular. Generally you should not be able to win warrior on Valkyr cleave. As for single target, you can easily be the top damage dealer on Lich King, depending on whether you have mages + hunts damaging the boss during transitions. Your main competition for this will be rogues and warriors. By the end of the fight, you may be top 5 in overall damage, but it highly depends on your overall group skill and composition.

Burst immediately using normal rotation. Example of a pure single-target burst - https://i.imgur.com/lH0HHBP.png

DO NOT CLEAVE ON P1. Every swipe used on p1 is greediness and nothing else, as it takes away from your single target damage significantly on the boss. You may start cleaving ghouls as soon as LK reaches 70% health. (I will admit I did this a lot in the early days, and it was fun - https://i.imgur.com/SomCvwG.png)

Berserk will come up again sometime during transition, you need to save it for the first Valkyr wave during p2. If you have Tiger’s Fury up by Valkyr spawn then you don’t need to pool energy, but if not, then pool energy before popping Berserk once the Valkyr land. You should get Berserk + Hysteria + using pot, and stand at the side and spam cleave all Valkyr. Your tank should be moving Lich King with the Valkyr, ideally you can keep him targeted. This is when your cleave damage really shines.

Here is a good clip on the power of efficient Valkyr cleaving:
https://clips.twitch.tv/AnnoyingCoweringAubergineSSSsss

You should focus pooling energy (but not going to 100) for Valkyr during p2, so you may not keep Rip up or certainly not using any bites. Always make sure you have Savage Roar above all else.

Yes….you can feral charge flying Valkyr while targeted for defile. It makes for some hilarious results, but does wipe the raid! Use this information with caution.

Swipe may be worth it if you have at least 3 Raging Spirits up during transition, but I almost always go solely single-target on them. Multi-dotting is useful as well.

Use the third Berserk during the 2nd transition if it is up, otherwise wait until after the 1st room.

During the p3 Rooms, go bear form so that you won’t die if there is a random spirit explosion. Use GotW within the last 10 seconds so that you have a free Clearcasting once leaving the room. This is the best time to get Innervates out as well.

After you kill the remaining Raging Spirits, P3 quickly turns into a single-target race. Try to coordinate the last hysteria with your last Berserk, preferably on Heroism/Bloodlust.

Refresh dots on 11%.

**Ayizan** · January 9, 2021

Media Gallery

Lordaeron Dps Screenshots:
(LoD burst) https://i.imgur.com/cBCFpO2.jpg
(LoD burst 2) https://i.imgur.com/lH0HHBP.png
(LoD end) https://i.imgur.com/dWVjeD2.jpg
(DBS) https://i.imgur.com/XxvfEtr.jpg
(DBS 2) https://i.imgur.com/0alGbKN.png
(DBS 3) https://i.imgur.com/1nXTQhL.png
(Marrow) https://i.imgur.com/tQhOmUX.png
(Marrow 2) https://i.imgur.com/YIXTauY.png
(Sindy burst) https://i.imgur.com/ZLPbUUX.png
(RS end) https://i.imgur.com/QWoJzwX.png

I do not believe my Icecrown screenshots are a good measure of my skill, being nearly 3 years old, and the fact that I was still gearing, but for my IC friends - [DBS Burst] https://i.imgur.com/WxgzKuR.png

Nyuucat playing my character on LoD - I taught him in the beginning and from there he has become an excellent feral. We play very similarly, so I recommend this video:

There's no feral POV here, but it's a good example of damage throughout the fight.

Our current r1 speedkill damage (meters from the above video), and pretty indicative of how feral performs in a speedkill environment:
https://imgur.com/W59QN8g
https://imgur.com/PzmHOgT

**Muus** · January 9, 2021

Nice strong statement regarding the opening burst,
lets see how people will react
Great guide overall ! Thank you !

**Volcomxzt** · January 9, 2021

I have been playing feral last couple of months and everyone told me about this guy in the video and he is using different opening burst. What's your take on it?

Thanks for the guide btw. It is really helpful for people like me :)

Video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=see55zXLSz0&t

**Bensten** · January 9, 2021

It‘s a very well formatted guide. Thank you for that.

Although, you may want to improve the rotation section. It‘s at least missing an explanation of when to use FB and how to judge, if you have time for it, as well as a statement on what to use your Clearcasting procs for. I‘d also add some thoughts about desynchronizing SR and Rip.

Originally Posted by Ayizan

Do not waste timers, do not waste energy (anything over 100 is a waste), and do not waste combo points (never use another combo-point giving ability when you are already at 5.

Not clipping Rip and keeping up Rake will lead to several occasions, in which you will have to use Rake with 5 CPs already up. You may also want to Shred at Clearcasting, no matter your current CPs. And even ignoring procs, shredding at 5 CPs to prevent too much energy from piling up is a way to increase your dps in certain situations.

IMO the best source for feral dps is still the old EJ guide - especially if people take some time to read through the discussion.

**Ayizan** · January 9, 2021

@Volcomxzt
I know about him xD The answer is honestly that both bursts work alright. However, the issue with the instant Berserk is that his burst really seems a lot lower than it should be, because Berserk is half over before he even gets Rip up. He only managed to get a single good Ferocious Bite out and then another one that was only 3 combo points, at the same time that Rake was dropped. It just doesn't seem efficient to me. With the 30% buff that they're running I would expect at least 28k there.

This is the only comparable video I can think of, of myself playing Swirlstorm, but I wasn't even BiS here (and over 2 years ago when I was still fairly new)- https://youtu.be/6VUFiz9tkeo
Still had a higher burst.

**Ayizan** · January 9, 2021

@Bensten
You're right! I should talk more about those topics. I expect I'll be doing a fair amount of editing and improving as I get more feedback xD Thank you

Not clipping Rip and keeping up Rake will lead to several occasions, in which you will have to use Rake with 5 CPs already up. You may also want to Shred at Clearcasting, no matter your current CPs. And even ignoring procs, shredding at 5 CPs to prevent too much energy from piling up is a way to increase your dps in certain situations.

I'm not particularly sure why it would lead to using Rake with 5 cp. The shreds at 5 cp could perhaps be true, but I've always found a way to keep dps efficient without having to clip Rip or Shred on 5. As for Clearcasting, I should probably talk about that in the guide as well. I don't always use shred on it if I really need another ability instead, but it's an incredibly situational proc.

**Mercy** · January 10, 2021

@ Guide, I'm happy to see this guide. I've been contemplating trying out playing a feral, but I haven't gotten around to it. This may be the motivation I needed. Thank you for posting it.

**NyuuCat** · January 10, 2021

I have never leveled a druid or have my own druid char. But I started using Naiara/Ayizan's druid to try out feral in raids. I learnt everything about feral druid from her and now you put me against any feral, whether its Icecrown/Lordaeron/Frostmourne, going to smash him! JK, but the point is that Naiara is the best feral I know and I will post my video playing her feral to show what I learnt, and consider it a video guide as well for people on how to implement the feral in raids.
The truth about feral is, besides the burst talk, you can theorycraft as much as you want but if you aren't consistent you won't be seen on dps meters as feral. More than dps, feral is also a utility class and if you aren't good on your rebirth/innervate/clones, you aren't doing your raid any favors.

This is a sample LoD fight without hysteria or tricks. Feral in P2 is the scariest thing if played correctly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bePLOVr57o4

**Ayizan** · January 10, 2021

Here is my screenshot of 30k burst on DBS on IC without even being BiS, ofc it's possible!
https://i.imgur.com/WxgzKuR.png

**Palutena** · January 11, 2021

Gnimo and Matthooper, stop.

**Matthooper** · January 11, 2021

Originally Posted by Palutena

Gnimo and Matthooper, stop.

stop what exactly?

There are some common misconceptions surrounding playstyles for whatever reason from lord to IC as we were discussing. I think it is worth getting the facts out there so people can build better guides about the truth rather than what they think because they play on one realm or the other as it does not change anything when it comes to stats or priorities.

For example the common misconception that "damage from bosses is different on bosses from one realm to the next" or "LK is harder on this realm or that realm" when in fact it is the exact same. If it was different then yes it might change how this guide and others are written as the OP may want to change the title to something like "lord guide only" and add in the differences on lord and why those choices were made vs lets say IC ones. Debunking these misconceptions and getting the truth out so players from all realms can learn and become better should be allowed. In fact im not sure why the differences are not stated somewhere on these forums so we could avoid such issues.

Either way my point was there are a bunch of theories that hold no weight when you put them up against the truth and why shouldent that be done? It helps the OP tweak his/her guide and also allows the rest of the player base to see the real differences between the realms like LK being the same scripting on all 3 for example, as it currently is, and how that may, or may not in this case, effect playstyle, gear, stats, ect.

I possibly got carried away in some of the responses, but i feel like this should be common knowledge by now and sadly, it is not which is what brings up these debates to begin with and im sure this is not the first nor the last time it will happen sadly.

**Mercy** · January 12, 2021

Originally Posted by Matthooper

stop what exactly?

[...]

I possibly got carried away in some of the responses,

Exactly. You should respond to her in PM though, not here.

**Accentx** · March 30, 2021

Can you share how did you gem your bis list? I've tried a few variations (jc & eng) and always got some under/over caps.

**Ayizan** · April 3, 2021

Originally Posted by Accentx

Can you share how did you gem your bis list? I've tried a few variations (jc & eng) and always got some under/over caps.

http://armory.warmane.com/character/...daeron/summary This will show you everything except my third belt gem, which is +20 arp. (all 3 are +20arp). Saves me a lot of typing.

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