https://wotlk.evowow.com/?spell=26290
Does Troll's Racial Bow Specialization also affect Crossbows? I am thinking about switching races to Troll and want someone to confirm if racial also gives 1% crit to crossbows. I searched on Google but haven't found a definitive answer.
Thanks.
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Does Troll's Racial Bow Specialization also affect Crossbows?
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No, it does not affect crossbows.
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it affects just bows as reported on the spell data showed on your link:
Requires Bows
Effect #1 Apply Aura: Mod Physical Crit Percent
Here a comparison with this talent: https://wowgaming.altervista.org/aowow/?spell=19426
it shows:
Requires Bows, Crossbows, Guns, Thrown
Effect #1 Apply Aura: Mod Physical Crit Chance
Edit: Ops, too late
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only affects bows, nothing else, tho troll is still the highest dps race for hunters in pve.
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[laughs in orcish]
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look at sims youll see, troll sims higher than orc, berserking (troll racial) lowers ranged swing timers and casting speed by 20%, which proc'd with everything gives about a 0.1-0.2s lower on ur RST, which results in extra autos, on shorter fights than 3 min, orc is better indeed since u can get 2 racials vs 1, but on long fights (lod/rs) troll racial outperforms, and its also on the same cd as rapidfire so its noice
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Not extra autos, just 1 extra auto, and thats all, nothing more and it can only par with orc only if that extra auto crits. BF alone even if it doesnt scale with gear provides similar amount of damage at BiS and you can easily combine it with haste procs unlike berserking and there is increased pet damage which is like %0.4 - %0.5 increase.
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first of all, 1 extra auto is a way bigger dps than 300ap , even if it doesnt crit, its still higher dps.
2nd, pet 5% increased pet dmg is ****ing IRRELEVANT, your pet dps in a hunter's dps is literally 4-5%, now increase 4-5% by 5%, thats an overall 0.005% dps increase, **** is irrelevant.
and no berserking can still add to haste procs, even if it reduces the RST by 0.1 its extra autos in the end, which is a bigger dps than 300ap,
you can literally look at sims, troll always sims ahead.
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You must be realy bad to think that 300 ap (that scale not only ALL hunter dmg sources, but even pet) and 5% pet dmg is a worse than chance to land 1 extra AA as troll...
With amount of speed you get from gear and raid buffs, haste is WORST stat to gain for almost all classes, raw dmg scales insanely with all buffs and 3-4 DoTs that you apply during fight.
You are not in 6 minute sim to vouch for haste racial.
While you run as troll - haste gives you nothing
While you run as orc - your pet deals more dmg, your sting/trap/shot/talents deal more dmg.
Hero at pull - troll racial wasted/delayed for 40+ seconds.
Hero at pull - orc racial used after trinkets and pet buffs to prolong benefit of heroism and gain even more weight.
You need to burst something realy fast? Orc racial scales with everything that hunter use to deal dmg and works immediatly. Troll racial scales only with auto attack, you are not SP to have DoTs that scale with hasteEdited: April 7, 2021
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If you can stop trying to glorify troll racial while trying to ridiculize the orc racial you can do the math yourself. 340ap isnt applied to 1 single shot or anything, in ideal situation (not missing anything due delay etc.), you can apply it to 9-10 skills (chim, aim, trap, steady shots combined.) plus 7-8 autos (more with bl/rapid sequences.). And 340ap is unlike haste autoshot, will crit reliably. And no even if the pet damage was that low like %4 (which you further reduce to prove your point as it seems.), %5 would increase the dps by %0.2, not by %0.005.
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300 ap to yourself isnt 300 ap to your pet, you pet gets %ap from you, which results in a really ****ing small ap to your pet, you pet is also 5% of your dmg, barely any ap extra to your pet is literal under 0.01% dps increase overall, also as i said but u obviously cant read, on fights lower than 3 min but higher than 2 in, orc will be better since you will get 2 procs, but on fights longer than 3 min (lod/rs aka only fights that matters) troll will pull ahead, also how tf is your troll racial isnt ****ing delayed, it stacks with hero/lust and rapidfire, pepega
also an extra auto per 11 seconds is a higher dps increase than 300ap,
troll literally sims higher than orc by about 75dps :
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brother you literally cant read what i said, but ok
also 5% of 5% is 0.0025% increase :)
pet racial = 5%, hunters pet dps on overall hunters dps = 4-5%, 5% of 5% is 0.0025 :)
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ITT: clueless pple arguing about 340 ap cd and its superiority to 20% haste, while still using double haste potions. actual delusion
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I wonder when will you realize that 0.0025 is %0.25, not %0.0025. Lets make it simple for you, lets assume that we do 95 damage and our pet does 5 damage. Increase that 5 damage by %5, 5 x 1.05 (%5) = 5,25, which is an increase of 0,25 damage. Lets compare the new damage with old one now, 100 with 100.25. Tell me the increase in percentage will you? And since you wanted sim, here is fully raid buffed sims even though it favors haste like mad.
https://imgur.com/nG3geom
Orc: 18439
Troll: 18422
Its this close only cause rawr treats haste like a godsend for hunter while its not, it even values 25hc neck way more than rimetooth hc for hunter.
Rawr files incase you wanna check: (They are same, only changed races, the only buffs I didnt include are hysteria and tot.)
https://easyupload.io/iort5w - orc
https://easyupload.io/zuqmmp - troll
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unironically using rawr for simulations?
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