Hi all,
This server is a good idea, and I was looking forward to it but then I saw that it will be vanilla talents/skills in vanilla and so on, that made me unsure.
Consequences of leaving it like this:
1. No horde paladin and alliance shaman. I don't think you need any arguments to change it, it is more obvious than anything that these should be available from day 1. They are not gamebreaking in any way, they just add 2 more low level zones to do quests in and that's it.
2. A lot of classes will be useless in PVE with vanilla talents and skills (tbc not as bad, but that's a year away):
- boomkins are total garbage in vanilla raiding
- feral tanks are also fairly bad in dungeons, possible to do in raids, but still fairly awful
- so are ret paladins.
- paladin tanking doesn't work or nowhere near as good as it should
- spriests are not particularly good in raids, no idea disc priests, probably even worse than spriests
- hunters are fairly bad in vanilla pve
- shamans dps are awful in vanilla pve
3. Because you also intend to change the raid size to 25 instead of 40 and there were mentions of overtuning raids, you encourage minmaxing. So useless classes will likely be left out of the raids, because the group will need to be strong enough to clear the raid and can't carry deadweights. In vanilla with 40 slots, people could carry 5-10 suboptimal classes no problem.
This is an issue, because let's say you want to play spriest or w/e bad vanilla dps class, that will eventually be good, you have to either make it through vanilla not raiding, or not having a regular raidspot, or you have to be healer, which you may not want, so the first year for you is a bad year that you just need to survive, or don't even play the server till TBC. (and this goes to other bad dps classes too like boomkins, retpalas and a lot more)
Or reroll once every expansion...
4. The only real good tank will be warrior, and a sort of acceptable 2nd feral. No other classes, so if you want to play tank, but not warrior, well you skip vanilla or play something else. Again this puts the server up to a slow start and discourages some more players.
5. In vanilla every class that can heal, will be made to heal during a raid, because their dps specs are not viable, especially true with overtuned raids. Further limiting class choice, or those people that don't want to heal, won't have regular raid spots, or just have to play something else for a year, and later reroll. Or keep their future main as an alt in vanilla :D :D
"What's your main?"
"uuh I have this enh shaman, but I can't really play it, because the raid won't take me unless I heal so atm I play combat rogue. but it's not really my main. But it kinda is. But not quite. :( "
6. Death Knights would not be possible, they don't have vanilla talents and skills. So DK players can... wait 2 years? :D
7. 1 more thing! Because warriors and rogues are so good in vanilla and needed to clear the overtuned content, a lot of people will play them, but these classes are so bad in TBC, people would have to switch around at the start of TBC, either reroll or suffer through TBC until WOTLK comes and they become better again or who knows. And this might mean a lot of people if guilds go for class stacking strategies like 1 full group of rogues, 1 full group of warrior, 1 group of mages and a few of the rest of the classes here and there.
What I think is a good solution:
1. wotlk talents and skills from day 1
2. belf and draenei from day 1
3. overtune raids to compensate for wotlk skills (leave vanilla raids as 40man difficulty but allow only 25 players inside)
You could also do DKs from day 1, start at level 1 in regular zones, for example human DK start in elwynn forest (disable DK starter area and quests), but that would be a lot of custom and... who likes DKs anyway :D
Content progression:
Vanilla phase 2 makes little sense
Dire Maul should be phase 1, it's just a dungeon
Azuregos Kazzak should be Phase 3 with BWL, that makes it possible to skip an entire phase which surves almost no purpose as wbosses are only content for top end guilds and average players won't ever even see them alive, and to DM there is nothing really just a couple item upgrades (in classic I didn't feel much of an impact from these).
So for most players P1-P2 transition will be like "nothing happened", P1 just got X months longer.
XP rate: irrelevant, idk why people discuss this. wotlk talents/skills are a lot more important
PVE server preferable, but with 5x rates and RDF I think I could avoid getting ganked for the most part, still I dislike worldpvp.
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