Is there any skillcap left in our beloved class?

Hey Guys,

I just wanted to hear your opinions on the matter: "Is there any skill left in our class in the current state?"

I know that many people allways said that warlock takes no skill and is just dot and fear but atm i came to that conclusion myself.
Warlock changed alot from cata to mop and you can argue days about if its easier or harder or what so ever.
But atm the diffrence between a 1,5k warlock and a 3k warlock is just the gear. The reason for that are some cruicial bugs in the class mechanics that made all the things that used to sepperate a good lock from a bad one non existent anymore.
I am talking mostly of the 2 following bugs:
-Spelllock from pet obviously! A good warlock had to propper position his pet to avoid it from dying and made sure your spelllocks hit. Also it was important that you dont stack it up for fears and prevent other ccs on it. But atm your pet is able to use spelllock across the whole map, through walls and while its cced. This literally kills half of the warlock skillcapped actions.
-Snapshotting: I dont know why this is bugged again. It used to work perfectly on mop but now its broken again. Making sure to have some free space before you popp your cooldowns to dot everyone and make use of your demonsoul....? NOPE. Just dot everything and then pop it AFTERWARDS.

This 2 bugs are killing 90% of the skill mechanics of warlocks and make it pretty hard to seperate yourself from other warlocks in this game. Suddenly people who never reached high rankings on warlocks are fighting for r1s. This is just demoralising.

Pair this with some buffstacking and totally working shamans and warriors and you see the whole picture.

What are your opinions on that matter.

Best regards Dogroth
(2 times r1 cata in 3s and 2 times in 2s and tournament winner of the 5555$ tourney)

Sounds about right..

Not exactly because by that logic, in a few months and assuming Warmane doesn't fix anything for warlocks, those "1.5k rating warlocks" would become geared and they would automatically become 2.4k+ rating. This is obviously not true. In my climb from lower rating to 2k+, you could easily see the difference of warlocks playing in higher rating and lower rating. As I go back and forth from playing in lower rating and higher rating games (different characters), the skill and effort necessary to kill warlocks is really huge.

Similar to other FoTM classes (cough cough warriors), many newer players just role warlocks but they do not exactly know what they are doing, perhaps getting a lucky chaos bolt off or just spamming fear to do "cc". For example, (I'll use warriors as the example) a low rating warrior might just charge and bladestorm, and then fear. In high rated play, this move is not only weak, but also it shows how "skilled" a warrior is. Even though charging and bladestorming might do alot of damage, in arenas, this won't get you anywhere because it has no follow up and your opponent can easily counter the move.

As everyone can obviously see you showed off your "achievements", if you are comparing these warlocks in 2v2, I am sorry to say that this post has no merit. 2v2s in MoP is never balanced, while in 3v3, every team has their weakness and there, good and bad locks can be picked out quite easily as well.

Snappshotting still works how it should work dunno what ur talking about (Just tested it: Apply UA -> 13k ticks; Apply UA, Use Trinket afterwards -> 13k ticks).
Haste does nothing anyways besides increasing ur dot/hot duration. Only problem is the combination with Soul Swap which snappshots every time you use it instead of swapping ur buffed dots arround.

Pet micromanagement is ****ed up tho, thats true.

Oh and you are trolling with totally working Shamans aint u? Resto Shamans: GG WP jk Spirit Link through the entire Arena. Ele Shamans: 0 LB proccs due to ****ed up Haste Brakepoints GG WP.

PvP in general is in a reall bad spot on Loltens MOP servers atm. Just check out the best 3s combs atm and how they work out together:
WLS/RLS. Those 2 combs were totally garbage on Retail 5.4.
The "real" top combs like LSD/LSD2 (well maybe not that bad due to RShamans state on Lolten), God Comb and Beast Cleave just suck balls atm.

Sorry but I went a bit offtopic. Yea you could play Affliction with a steering wheel atm and noone would notice it as long you are full geared.

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Originally Posted by Lycean

Snappshotting still works how it should work dunno what ur talking about (Just tested it: Apply UA -> 13k ticks; Apply UA, Use Trinket afterwards -> 13k ticks).
Haste does nothing anyways besides increasing ur dot/hot duration. Only problem is the combination with Soul Swap which snappshots every time you use it instead of swapping ur buffed dots arround.

Pet micromanagement is ****ed up tho, thats true.

Oh and you are trolling with totally working Shamans aint u? Resto Shamans: GG WP jk Spirit Link through the entire Arena. Ele Shamans: 0 LB proccs due to ****ed up Haste Brakepoints GG WP.

PvP in general is in a reall bad spot on Loltens MOP servers atm. Just check out the best 3s combs atm and how they work out together:
WLS/RLS. Those 2 combs were totally garbage on Retail 5.4.
The "real" top combs like LSD/LSD2 (well maybe not that bad due to RShamans state on Lolten), God Comb and Beast Cleave just suck balls atm.

Sorry but I went a bit offtopic. Yea you could play Affliction with a steering wheel atm and noone would notice it as long you are full geared.

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Agony snapshotting does not work. Make your tests more thorough next time before commenting.
Edit: Which may I add is our most damaging ability doing around 50% of our total dmg.

the whole "snapshot" issue persisted through (Molten) Cata as well, nothing new there...and with buffstacking, secondary stats not working properly, broken LoS and Wars - there's not much to expect from this situation. That's why there will be no titles, coz the abuse has taken over skill completely.
If its demoralizing than take a break till important things are fixed.