Get ready for more pvpers on private servers in Legion

In Legion, they are greatly accelerating the ability prune that is making pvp so boring on retail.

I got a laugh out of Dillypoo posting that in Legion "Warriors are cavemen with sticks."

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20418544270

Cdew tweeted today that:

Charles Dewland ‏@ChuckDewland 5h5 hours ago
Ability pruning will be the death of wow pvp. Forces players to have similar play styles allowing them to no longer be unique or to outplay

https://twitter.com/ChuckDewland/with_replies

I'm personally very happy to see this. I already gave up on retail WoW in WoD and headed to private servers. As things stand now, Legion will ensure that a lot more pvpers join those of us already here.

i actually agree here and its a big reason why i'm here on Warmane and not playing Retail, i guess you could say i'm hiding from Blizzard? I just can't stand what they're doing to this game, but also i don't think they realize how easy they're making it for players to be able to bot and hack in pvp.

Think about it:

Buying a new account in WoD is like 20 USD's and grants a free level 100.

Gearing in Ashran premades can get you full honor and a few conquest gear pieces in a few hours.

so in less then 24 hours you could easily be back in arena and if you're that good and/or don't care about abusing the system you could be using hacks again and be aiming for 2200 easily.

All this is doing is chasing away the honest players that wanna have fun and really compete in pvp. In WoTLK it could take close to a month to get to endgame and that's at a study pace, plus several weeks, if not another month just to get fully honor geared. i feel how the game use to be set up and how much effort it really took to get to endgame and get geared, it really encouraged players to not cheat.

but thanks Blizzard for allowing your community for ruin my gaming experience.

So what you guys are saying is, Legion, even that it looks promising to me, you're saying that it's a complete garbage? and even worse then WoD?

- I know WoW is DYING.

how can u say something is bad before even trying it?

Well Blizzard is trying to change who they're catering to, Blizzard no is trying to cater to the more modern instant-gradification type gamer like LoL's or Dota 2, at least when it comes to PvP and for me and many others this just feels uninteresting and boring to me, so i don't think i'll be joining my old friends in legion, at least not until the price drops to $20 and i play it just to see the story.

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Originally Posted by kidarkness

how can u say something is bad before even trying it?

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WoD.

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need I say more?

think I told a friend of mine to wait till Legion is out before he deletes his Warmane account... well... the ruddy plucker deleted Warmane and resubbed to retail... oh well

You people are already thrash talking a new content that is sitting in ALPHA. Jesus christ, ALPHA! That just means that the whole content will take a whole new balance before going out and all the major things that you guys are pointing out are most certainly reviewed by Blizzard before the content even goes out!

You can't make such certain statements in such an early state of game development. The several things that came to public are being released slowly and not with 100% guarantees that they will remain that way. That's why testers exist - To point out those kind of points to the developers so they actually try to make a proper balance of things.

Yes, the PvP is a lot easier. But to be fair it wasn't ever that hard in WOTLK either, for example. You could make outplays? Sure! But it wasn't/isn't that hard to deal with!

Now please don't make statements like those ones and don't make statements through a random Tweet when things are not one hundrer percent sure. If you can guarantee me that's 100% viable and it's going to stay like that - Make a rebellion then. If you can't - Don't feed false expectations.

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Originally Posted by saghha

WoD.

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need I say more?

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Yes, you do. Specially when Blizzard itself made several statements that they were aware that WoD was not that Popular and that they were going to try to deliver a really decent content. Plus, the few lore situations that were already spoken in public looked interesting. You guys are hating and bashing a content that is still in lack of so many answers. Get your facts straight; Alpha will NEVER be the proper thing to decide if the whole expansion is going to be good or bad. You need the complete release or a final beta to make a statement like that. And, to be honest, even the Beta can actually lead you to mistakes.

this cracked me up

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Originally Posted by http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20419274105?page=4#62

At this point Tic-Tac-Toe is going to take more skill than World of Warcraft.

If they're trying to force me into mobas with these changes, then I'll just go play a free one. DOTA or League seems like a good idea.

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Originally Posted by magaginho

Yes, you do. Specially when Blizzard itself made several statements that they were aware that WoD was not that Popular and that they were going to try to deliver a really decent content. Plus, the few lore situations that were already spoken in public looked interesting. You guys are hating and bashing a content that is still in lack of so many answers. Get your facts straight; Alpha will NEVER be the proper thing to decide if the whole expansion is going to be good or bad. You need the complete release or a final beta to make a statement like that. And, to be honest, even the Beta can actually lead you to mistakes.

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Dude, Blizzard has mastered making hopeful promises and not delivering, a company that makes billions of dollars off of a single video game is not (in my book) allowed to make the sorry mistakes that they made with WoD. As bad as i've rated Cataclysm, I still give it a lot of credit as at least they spent a lot of time revamping azaroth so you can see where a lot of the time and money go dumped into.

But with WoD, no i can not justify their mistakes and simply say its okay for them to boost and brag for an expansion and not deliver and that is EXACTLY why I can't buy into the Legion hype as Blizzard has done it before. They make a lot of promises and get a lot of people on the hype-bandwagon and then not deliver. So I'll ask again, is there really anything else to say?

but F'it, since you insist, i'll several things I don't like about the current direction of WoW that's also keeping me away from Legion.

Ability Pruning Sucks!

Not a big fan of Class Halls, seems like a silly waste of time.

Artifact System - Legendaries like Doomhammer and Ashbringer should be equipped by every single player and tacking a silly talent point system on it just makes it even more dumb.

No flying til TBA. I really hate this as Blizzard is just being foolish with this one. Flying has been something to me that has made WoW great and not like any other mmo, no need to change it.

What they're doing to the other Legendaries is just awful, making them random world drops is ugh, i can't stand it.

Don't like how they're handling the questing either, i guess i just prefer the more old school way, i don't know...

PvP, this is a big big big one to me as it ruins the big part of the game that i love the most. I hate not having to grind gear and slowly get better, i hate everyone being equal in gear. I also think this encourages more hacking in arena as players don't have to worry to much about gearing up.

I also have a lot more reasons that i don't like it, but i'll end for now and say, I really wish Blizzard hadn't really changed their model at all. They had 12 mil subs in WoTLk and stayed above 7 mil in MoP, obviously they were doing something wrong, but with all the knee jerk changes, people are just hating it more and more as it's not longer the game the love, but clearly Blizzard wants to cater to a new generation, so i'm doing Blizzard a big favor and saying, "F'it, i'm out. If Blizzard wants the new generation, they can have them, but i'm sure as hell not going to help them have their cake and eat it to.

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Originally Posted by saghha

Dude, Blizzard has mastered making hopeful promises and not delivering, a company that makes billions of dollars off of a single video game is not (in my book) allowed to make the sorry mistakes that they made with WoD. As bad as i've rated Cataclysm, I still give it a lot of credit as at least they spent a lot of time revamping azaroth so you can see where a lot of the time and money go dumped into.

But with WoD, no i can not justify their mistakes and simply say its okay for them to boost and brag for an expansion and not deliver and that is EXACTLY why I can't buy into the Legion hype as Blizzard has done it before. They make a lot of promises and get a lot of people on the hype-bandwagon and then not deliver. So I'll ask again, is there really anything else to say?

but F'it, since you insist, i'll several things I don't like about the current direction of WoW that's also keeping me away from Legion.

Ability Pruning Sucks!

Not a big fan of Class Halls, seems like a silly waste of time.

Artifact System - Legendaries like Doomhammer and Ashbringer should be equipped by every single player and tacking a silly talent point system on it just makes it even more dumb.

No flying til TBA. I really hate this as Blizzard is just being foolish with this one. Flying has been something to me that has made WoW great and not like any other mmo, no need to change it.

What they're doing to the other Legendaries is just awful, making them random world drops is ugh, i can't stand it.

Don't like how they're handling the questing either, i guess i just prefer the more old school way, i don't know...

PvP, this is a big big big one to me as it ruins the big part of the game that i love the most. I hate not having to grind gear and slowly get better, i hate everyone being equal in gear. I also think this encourages more hacking in arena as players don't have to worry to much about gearing up.

I also have a lot more reasons that i don't like it, but i'll end for now and say, I really wish Blizzard hadn't really changed their model at all. They had 12 mil subs in WoTLk and stayed above 7 mil in MoP, obviously they were doing something wrong, but with all the knee jerk changes, people are just hating it more and more as it's not longer the game the love, but clearly Blizzard wants to cater to a new generation, so i'm doing Blizzard a big favor and saying, "F'it, i'm out. If Blizzard wants the new generation, they can have them, but i'm sure as hell not going to help them have their cake and eat it to.

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Dude, listen;

I'm not saying that you're wrong in every single point. I agreed with you that the PvP mechanics right now, in WoD, are quite easy. But I can also say that the WOTLK PvP is quite easy as well. Some classes counter others and if well played, even if you're a beast, you can't outplay them. Easy as it this.

But now let's jump to the WoD discussion itself;

I'm not trying to say you're wrong about your oppinion in WoD. WoD feels a little bit... Hollow? But that also gives me the hope of them throwing a lot of things they left behind in Legion. Decent things.
The only thing that actually concerns me is how they're going fit those decent things in the new content. I want to wait to see it. Yes, I did pre-purchase Legion for one single reason: If it's bad, I want to be there and see with my own eyes if it's really that bad. If it's good, I'm enjoying it. I won't allow Alpha testers to tell me, through tweets, what's good or bad. Hell, they can even type a really proper wall of text trying to elaborate the different points of why Legion is going to be bad - It's an Alpha. You can take off some ideas but those are still not the final ideas. The whole game may be subjected to major changes during the Alpha.

I never said that it's ok for them to make a mistake - Hell dude, I was a hardcore Diablo and Diablo II LoD player. I spent hours and hours on that thing. How do you think I felt when Diablo III came out and with that ridiculous Auction House system? I completely dropped the game and didn't even give it the chance again. The game doesn't have the essence. And, to be honest, Diablo III got compared to Path of Exile, for example, and Path of Exile actually delivers what Diablo failed to deliver. This same mistake right here, I hope, was a lesson for Blizzard. They screwed up in WoD? I agree. To be honest, in my personal perspective, they also screwed up back in Burning Crusade with the overexagerated grinding you needed to do. They came back from that mistake with WOTLK.

I want to believe that a good content is about to come out. Giving them a chance doesn't kill you either. Don't let yourself get influenced by a review of a content that is STILL in development. That was my point all along.

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Originally Posted by magaginho

I want to believe that a good content is about to come out. Giving them a chance doesn't kill you either. Don't let yourself get influenced by a review of a content that is STILL in development. That was my point all along.

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Boy I wish I was as young as you sound, but I gave up on having faith in things a long time ago, guess it's called growing up. I guess after WoD Blizzard completely ruined their game for me. I really can't explain it, but i've just lost all respect for them and they're not making WoW like they use to, they're making it for this newer generation, (like i said before). So this isn't a question of them making a mistake and fixing it, that's what Cataclysm was, a mistake and they fixed it in MoP, but with WoD its a mistake that they can't change as they've already admitted they're changing the direction of WoW to be more for the casual modern day gamer, that's why they tried so hard to make WoD so easy and they're not gonna change their minds on that, they're just gonna try and add more to WoW than garrison missions and i admire them for that, but it's still to late for me. I just don't trust them anymore. When I play WoW i think of an MMORPG and Vanilla, TBC, and WoTLK were the real MMORPG, Cata was when they started to remove all the stuff that made the world feel alive.

Ammo & Arrows

Talent Trees

Regents

Large zones with real depth and lore

Many meaningful villains.

To an extent I enjoyed dailies.

I loved the old crafting system

Hell I loved the F' out of Reforging!!!

I loved how Enchanting and Gemming worked!

I miss hit caps, res, stat caps, etc.


So sorry man, WoW's changed and to me it's not an MMORPG anymore and they've ruined it for me.

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Originally Posted by saghha

Boy I wish I was as young as you sound, but I gave up on having faith in things a long time ago, guess it's called growing up. I guess after WoD Blizzard completely ruined their game for me. I really can't explain it, but i've just lost all respect for them and they're not making WoW like they use to, they're making it for this newer generation, (like i said before). So this isn't a question of them making a mistake and fixing it, that's what Cataclysm was, a mistake and they fixed it in MoP, but with WoD its a mistake that they can't change as they've already admitted they're changing the direction of WoW to be more for the casual modern day gamer, that's why they tried so hard to make WoD so easy and they're not gonna change their minds on that, they're just gonna try and add more to WoW than garrison missions and i admire them for that, but it's still to late for me. I just don't trust them anymore. When I play WoW i think of an MMORPG and Vanilla, TBC, and WoTLK were the real MMORPG, Cata was when they started to remove all the stuff that made the world feel alive.

Ammo & Arrows

Talent Trees

Regents

Large zones with real depth and lore

Many meaningful villains.

To an extent I enjoyed dailies.

I loved the old crafting system

Hell I loved the F' out of Reforging!!!

I loved how Enchanting and Gemming worked!

I miss hit caps, res, stat caps, etc.


So sorry man, WoW's changed and to me it's not an MMORPG anymore and they've ruined it for me.

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You're closing your mind set to a point that shouldn't even be relevant. You're literally fixing yourself in a point that you still don't know if that's completely truth. You don't know at 100% how the content will be. Your raging on points that they can improve or backpedal on. But since you state that the game is over for you I guess there's no point in trying to defend this anymore.

P.S: I'm not that young. But I'm not old either. Siting at a quarter of a century is a decent spot to be in. I've seen WoW Develop. I believe every game goes through phases. Yes, we have a lot of bad things in Warlords of Draenor but I still want to believe that Legion can be decent. Losing your beliefs is not a age issue. An age issue is not accepting that options exist for a reason and those are the main reason why this new content can be good or bad.

blizz loses people with every expansion, no reason for legion to be any different.

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Originally Posted by magaginho

You're closing your mind set to a point that shouldn't even be relevant. You're literally fixing yourself in a point that you still don't know if that's completely truth. You don't know at 100% how the content will be. Your raging on points that they can improve or backpedal on. But since you state that the game is over for you I guess there's no point in trying to defend this anymore.

P.S: I'm not that young. But I'm not old either. Siting at a quarter of a century is a decent spot to be in. I've seen WoW Develop. I believe every game goes through phases. Yes, we have a lot of bad things in Warlords of Draenor but I still want to believe that Legion can be decent. Losing your beliefs is not a age issue. An age issue is not accepting that options exist for a reason and those are the main reason why this new content can be good or bad.

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I never once said you were young, I said you sounded young. There's a big difference and I could careless how old you really are, my point was that you sound so full of hope and youth that you lack the wisdom to see how things have changed for so many of us. Ya see, I don't need to be a 100% certain and I never said I was a 100% certain, you're assuming to much and not getting what I'm saying. I am saying that I do have evidence that Blizzard has changed their demographic, I do have evidence that they are trying new things to cater the new gamer and sure, let's be honest here, I'm not a 100% sure what Blizzard's trying to do with Legion, but I do have enough supportive evidence to come to a conclusion that the game is no longer for me. Even If I'm only 50% sure (and I'm not saying I am or am not, honest i don't know), but for the sake of argument let's say I'm 50% sure, that's still way to much for me to jump on that bandwagon again.

But I guess you will just never understand what it's like to be that raging fanboi and to absolutely love something and not be able towait for it to come out, but to have so many hopes and dreams crushed when it does come out. To see that the thing you once enjoyed is no longer the same as you use to love it. Sorry mate, times change. Sooner or later the parties over for each and every one of us and there has to come a time when you just have to walk away. Sorry to make this overly dramatic, but yeah, watching Warlords of Dreanor falls, was heartbreaking to say the least and a lot of trust got shattered and a lot of people have just moved on, you just seem to struggle understanding that and that's why i think you sound so youthful, you choose to still hope, you still choose to dream.....

my dream is over.