MoP frost DKs

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February 12, 2016
thebotz

MoP frost DKs

Sup.

So since Warsong's pop died a little, I decided to try something new, and mbox MoP instead. I kept my usual 4x elemental and 4x frost DK teams. (For the record, not on Frostwolf, some instant 90 realm that's similar to Warsong in concept. No names, cus y'know..)

After trying both, went dual-wielding as it fits more the spammy style of mboxed DKs. Too much Howling Blast spamming, can't guarantee runes for obliterates. Talents were chosen in a way that makes the DKs ressemble their cata counterparts alot. Unholy Blight, Lichborne, Chillblains x2 and Asphyxiate x2 (Strangulate and Asphyxiate are on different DRs and I love it >:D), Blood tap, Death Pact, and Desecrated Ground.

My main gripe is that with battle fatigue ruining most of their cooldowns and self-heals, they feel incredibly easy to kill. Warriors especially are ridicoulous. Can't kill them mid-storm anymore since recklessness doesn't increase damage taken, and Die by the Sword is usable with bladestorm. Oh, and fear is too, so there goes one of my trinkets each time.

Haven't played my ele shamans as much, but I can definetly say that I don't have problems surviving damage with them, with less gear to boot. So is there something I'm doing wrong with the DKs or are they really just that bad at surviving damage?

Have a bonus screen of a silly roflstomp BG :

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http://i.imgur.com/GDtQgQa.jpg
Those two deaths though. -80% healing reduction and insane damage taken increase on my main from the kotmogu orb. Got slightly overwelmed with him down until my teammates gave me enough of a breather to raise ally myself.
February 12, 2016
Kemii

OK not an Mboxer but I can tell you from a DK standpoint.

First up you want 3 Asphyxiates, since DR is 1 > 1/2 > 1/4 > Immune.. To make full use of your Strangulate.
So run 3x Asphyix, 1 Chilblains.
Blood Tap gives you the best control over runes, as with this removes RNG completely which is going to be better for you with multiple DKs.
Don't use Oblit at all in PvP... (even in PvE we don't use it much).
All your runes go on Howling Blast, if you have an UH rune then use it on refreshing Plague Strike.

ONly use Unholy Blight on One, it's actually a really bad cooldown. You would be better off with using Rolling Blood, to spread all your diseases. That would be the strongest thing you can do as a boxer.

Also DK is meant to be squishy, glass cannons... Pair them with a Holy Paladin or an Rdruid. The self healing is a bit useless as a boxer, since you want to be putting out damage rather than worring about a few ticks of Conversion or wasting runes on Death Syphon.

As for Warrior Bladestorm.. icebound it, throw in a few Death Strikes if you cannot mitigate the damage fully and then just asphyx him when its over and kill him, since Die by the Sword will still be up for a few seconds after, the stun will stop it from working.
February 12, 2016
Jakkre

I multibox frost DKs aswell and I find them extremly boring on MoP. They deal awesome burst dmg but I just hate that they cant heal each other.

In ur case I would check enhance shamis out. They were probably the most common and strongest multibox setup during MoP.
They have awesome heals and the ability to global opponents with stormblast during ascendance.

http://www.warcraftmovies.com/de/mov....php?id=235275
Check out this video of a enh shami boxer on 2100 rating.
February 12, 2016
Kemii

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Originally Posted by Jakkre

I multibox frost DKs aswell and I find them extremly boring on MoP. They deal awesome burst dmg but I just hate that they cant heal each other.

In ur case I would check enhance shamis out. They were probably the most common and strongest multibox setup during MoP.
They have awesome heals and the ability to global opponents with stormblast during ascendance.

http://www.warcraftmovies.com/de/mov....php?id=235275
Check out this video of a enh shami boxer on 2100 rating.

Dkc can heal each other with Death Coil during Lichborne, as well have http://mop.openwow.com/spell=63333 when Lichborne is not active.
February 12, 2016
Jakkre

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Originally Posted by Kemii

Dkc can heal each other with Death Coil during Lichborne, as well have http://mop.openwow.com/spell=63333 when Lichborne is not active.

Yeah i know about the lichborn+deathcoil heal but the healing is still quite low compared to enh shamis.
February 12, 2016
thebotz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kemii

OK not an Mboxer but I can tell you from a DK standpoint.

First up you want 3 Asphyxiates, since DR is 1 > 1/2 > 1/4 > Immune.. To make full use of your Strangulate.
So run 3x Asphyix, 1 Chilblains.
Blood Tap gives you the best control over runes, as with this removes RNG completely which is going to be better for you with multiple DKs.
Don't use Oblit at all in PvP... (even in PvE we don't use it much).
All your runes go on Howling Blast, if you have an UH rune then use it on refreshing Plague Strike.

ONly use Unholy Blight on One, it's actually a really bad cooldown. You would be better off with using Rolling Blood, to spread all your diseases. That would be the strongest thing you can do as a boxer.

Also DK is meant to be squishy, glass cannons... Pair them with a Holy Paladin or an Rdruid. The self healing is a bit useless as a boxer, since you want to be putting out damage rather than worring about a few ticks of Conversion or wasting runes on Death Syphon.

As for Warrior Bladestorm.. icebound it, throw in a few Death Strikes if you cannot mitigate the damage fully and then just asphyx him when its over and kill him, since Die by the Sword will still be up for a few seconds after, the stun will stop it from working.

An honest mistake since you're not mboxing, but I'd never be using all 4 of my CCs on some poor bloke. The point of having multiples is just to always have one ready to get a full stun/silence on any new important target that comes up.

Idk about oblit, but it still feels like it deals more damage than howling blast, even when I don't have the time to plague strike first.

The thing with Unholy Blight vs Rolling Blood is that Rolling Blood forces me to spend a global plague striking a target, than another blood boiling, while Unholy Blight mindlessly spreads the aids around whenever I hit a big cluster of opponents. Big PvP combats sadly aren't like PvE AoE dps xD.

And yeah, bladestorms. Icebound is fun and all, but I usually get reckstormed more than once per 3 minute in a BG, or am forced to icebound other AoE stuns. 20% only does so much, too. Also, with battle fatigue, Death Strike barely heals for a whooping 14K on my 520K health pool. Feels like a waste of runes : /.

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Originally Posted by Jakkre

http://www.warcraftmovies.com/de/mov....php?id=235275
Check out this video of a enh shami boxer on 2100 rating.

Hehe, Kruschpak is the reason I started multiboxing in the first place, back in WotLK. I've seen that video times over already xD. Enhance seems fun and all, but I'm already doing elemental too, and I just kinda don't wanna give up my death grips for melle mboxing :(
February 12, 2016
Kemii

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Originally Posted by thebotz

The thing with Unholy Blight vs Rolling Blood is that Rolling Blood forces me to spend a global plague striking a target, than another blood boiling, while Unholy Blight mindlessly spreads the aids around whenever I hit a big cluster of opponents. Big PvP combats sadly aren't like PvE AoE dps xD.

You should be doing this anyway regardless of if you are one DK or 20... Keeping both diseases on your target, even at the cost of a GCD and spreading it is more of importance than a 1m+ CD on an ability... GCD > 1m CD. Also Rolling Blood refreshes the duration of your diseases, as well as spreading them to others who may join the battle in the meantime... that 1 Min CD is just too freaking long.

This is about doing the max potential DPS, the damage you are putting out the more a healer has to heal and the more cleave the better, this is one of the main reasons Frost DK is a god class in rated BGs as they provided the cleave damage that no other class can really keep up with.

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Originally Posted by thebotz

And yeah, bladestorms. Icebound is fun and all, but I usually get reckstormed more than once per 3 minute in a BG, or am forced to icebound other AoE stuns. 20% only does so much, too. Also, with battle fatigue, Death Strike barely heals for a whooping 14K on my 520K health pool. Feels like a waste of runes : /.

This is the case with every class that has to deal with this, Ret Paladins suffer with crappy self healing, Spriest suffers from ****ty healing and their PW:S is effected by BF too, as is Feral healing, Ele Healing, Warlock Healing, Boomkin Healing... Do you care for me to go on? MOP turned a lot of classes around. The game took away all the survivability some classes had pre-Cata, to make up for this there is a lot of CC within the game.... Sadly Dk is one of the classes with the worst CC, and generally one of the weaker classes in general.

So you either accept the fact that DK is a pure glass cannon like it is, or you find some other class to mbox.
February 13, 2016
thebotz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kemii

You should be doing this anyway regardless of if you are one DK or 20... Keeping both diseases on your target, even at the cost of a GCD and spreading it is more of importance than a 1m+ CD on an ability... GCD > 1m CD. Also Rolling Blood refreshes the duration of your diseases, as well as spreading them to others who may join the battle in the meantime... that 1 Min CD is just too freaking long.

This is about doing the max potential DPS, the damage you are putting out the more a healer has to heal and the more cleave the better, this is one of the main reasons Frost DK is a god class in rated BGs as they provided the cleave damage that no other class can really keep up with.

This is the case with every class that has to deal with this, Ret Paladins suffer with crappy self healing, Spriest suffers from ****ty healing and their PW:S is effected by BF too, as is Feral healing, Ele Healing, Warlock Healing, Boomkin Healing... Do you care for me to go on? MOP turned a lot of classes around. The game took away all the survivability some classes had pre-Cata, to make up for this there is a lot of CC within the game.... Sadly Dk is one of the classes with the worst CC, and generally one of the weaker classes in general.

So you either accept the fact that DK is a pure glass cannon like it is, or you find some other class to mbox.

I get the idea really, if you're planning on a long *** battle in which nobody dies until 5 minutes in, then sure, rolling blood would be better. But as a multiboxer, I'm always trying to insta-gib players. And considering I seldom get people healing me in random BGs, battle are often decided on whether or not I can insta-gib 3+ people whithin 15 global cooldowns or so.

It's like a shadow priest trying to keep all his dots up on a bunch of 20K health targets. Just Mind Sear or mind spike them instead is a way better way to deal with it, even if multi-dotting is overall better dps over the course of a long fight.
February 13, 2016
Jakkre

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Originally Posted by thebotz

Enhance seems fun and all, but I'm already doing elemental too, and I just kinda don't wanna give up my death grips for melle mboxing :(

Trust me, windwalk totem is 10 times better than deathgrip.
Its like a raid wide hand of freedom and u can use the totem 8 times as a quad boxer.
Its pretty much impossible to kite the enh shamis.