Ideal warrior tanking weapon: speed or streanght?

Okay, so i ve got this idea, in lategame (around 6kgs when you are tanky enough) which would be ideal weapon for warrior tank.
So normally most of tanks go for the ones that have defensive stats, but i think, why would you need more def stats when gear gives you plenty
So why wouldnt you just take dps weapon for great dmg boost?
how would different stats boost damage you ask? they wouldnt.
BUT! atk speed OR more specificly base damage of weapon would...
Lets say we have 2 weapons, one is standard lategame tanking weapon Mithrios, Bronzebeard's Legacy, and other one that is on my mind is, Havoc's Call, Blade of Lordaeron Kings
No that is not misstype, thats havoc's call.

FIRST OFF: IM ORC WARRIOR
okay now proceed
by taking havoc over mithiron i lose : 56 def rating, 48 parry rating, 30 stamina, off tank stats, and no i dont lose any expertise because my racial is 5 exp with axes so thats there, yea.
gains: stats are irrelevant.

thing i focus on is base damage which is higher

SO with slower weapon that has bigger base damage by deep wounds would do more damage over time? yes? next.
My devestate would deal significantly more damage?
i would be able to spam devestate mroe due to less rage dump on heroic strike, which would proc less
now cons of slow weapon over fast one are ofc less damage off heroic strike
so which is what im asking, is it worth taking slower weapon for more devestate damage and deep wounds or stick with fast one with more heroic strike procs.

I want to hear what do you think, im not in position to actualy try this difference out, but i hope someone of you is and would post resoult as in which would deal more DPS and what would be that increese, is it worth it?

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Originally Posted by Bosiranii

Okay, so i ve got this idea, in lategame (around 6kgs when you are tanky enough) which would be ideal weapon for warrior tank.
So normally most of tanks go for the ones that have defensive stats, but i think, why would you need more def stats when gear gives you plenty
So why wouldnt you just take dps weapon for great dmg boost?
how would different stats boost damage you ask? they wouldnt.
BUT! atk speed OR more specificly base damage of weapon would...
Lets say we have 2 weapons, one is standard lategame tanking weapon Mithrios, Bronzebeard's Legacy, and other one that is on my mind is, Havoc's Call, Blade of Lordaeron Kings
No that is not misstype, thats havoc's call.

FIRST OFF: IM ORC WARRIOR
okay now proceed
by taking havoc over mithiron i lose : 56 def rating, 48 parry rating, 30 stamina, off tank stats, and no i dont lose any expertise because my racial is 5 exp with axes so thats there, yea.
gains: stats are irrelevant.

thing i focus on is base damage which is higher

SO with slower weapon that has bigger base damage by deep wounds would do more damage over time? yes? next.
My devestate would deal significantly more damage?
i would be able to spam devestate mroe due to less rage dump on heroic strike, which would proc less
now cons of slow weapon over fast one are ofc less damage off heroic strike
so which is what im asking, is it worth taking slower weapon for more devestate damage and deep wounds or stick with fast one with more heroic strike procs.

I want to hear what do you think, im not in position to actualy try this difference out, but i hope someone of you is and would post resoult as in which would deal more DPS and what would be that increese, is it worth it?

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deep wounds dps and tps is ****ing way to low to be considered any usefull on 1h weapon

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Originally Posted by Bosiranii

So normally most of tanks go for the ones that have defensive stats, but i think, why would you need more def stats when gear gives you plenty
So why wouldnt you just take dps weapon for great dmg boost?

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Because in the high end game raiding you need those defensive stats. Also in high end game content you shouldn't have threat generation issues with any class unless you're bad at what you do. The damage output that you're searching for translates in more stress for the healers since you're trading mitigation stats for more damage - That also means that you're looking for more threat generation that you should NEVER need in the high end raiding scenario.

Also remember: This is WOTLK - You won't deliver a HUGE damage as a PVE Warrior Tank. You're not supposed to. You're not playing in Warlords of Draenor where Warrior Tanks are trucks.

The damage difference in overall performance isn't that significant. If you want to do a trade off that gear for some offensive gear for an ICC 10 Normal (for example) because you're stomping all the content, be my guest. Now for Heroic Raid content? Doesn't seem like a good idea.

- Your damage output will be a little bit higher (but only DW and Devastate are affected).
- You will gain some TPS because of higher damage output, BUT you will also lose some, because HS threat is (dmg + flat bonus), so less HS means less threat. The only way to check your overall TPS balance is to simulate/measure it.

Basically slow weapon = cca 5% threat boost (you loose some on HS as mentioned above, but gain almost double from Devastate & DW).

Ideal option imho is to have both slow dps weapon and a tanking one (all of which are fast). Then you may decide according to your situation. If threat is a problem it is usually only at the start of the fight when your raid uses heroism/bloodlust and all offensive cooldowns and trinkets procs. So you may actually start first 30s of the fight with slow weapon to build up threat and switch to defensive one later on.

There are two often forgotten factors:
DPS weapon gives you agility = almost the same EHP as tanking one (cause armor from agi).
Slow weapon = less parry-haste occurences (only some bosses have this mechanic). - dps weapon actually provides more defense on this bosses.

Basically trading dps weapon for tanking one means that you are loosing a bit of (1%?) avoidance for significant (5%) threat boost.