Some PvP questions

Hello! Soon I will reach lvl80 with my DK. I mainly want to PvP as Frost. Most of my PvP experience is as a shadow priest in Cata so I think it's safe to say that I don't know anything about Wotlk Frost PvP.

Now, as I see, Unholy is way more popular spec for PvP, but something about Frost dual wielding attracts me idk.

SO, anyway, I did some research here before posting and there are not a lot of topics about Frost PvP. Best one I found is
http://forum.warmane.com/showthread.php?t=294245. From what I've read people recommend @Zedarus' http://rpgworld.altervista.org/335/d...00000000000000 build and @Evangelion's build http://wotlk.openwow.com/talent#j0Eh...G0ItVrczbucuzI

That covers talents. But what about glyphs, runes, and stat priority, gems, enchants?
I've read somewhere (not on warmane's forum) that runes should be Razorice on main and Fallen Crusader on offhand weapons. Is that true?

Also, two more things:1. should I dual wield swords cuz racial or stick to axes like everyone says?
2. MACROS. If you can give me any that may benefit me in PvP. So far I've only seen the Lichform plus Death coil one


Thank you all in advance!

cinderglaicier > razorice

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Originally Posted by RuinNation

Hello! Soon I will reach lvl80 with my DK. I mainly want to PvP as Frost. Most of my PvP experience is as a shadow priest in Cata so I think it's safe to say that I don't know anything about Wotlk Frost PvP.

Now, as I see, Unholy is way more popular spec for PvP, but something about Frost dual wielding attracts me idk.

SO, anyway, I did some research here before posting and there are not a lot of topics about Frost PvP. Best one I found is
http://forum.warmane.com/showthread.php?t=294245. From what I've read people recommend @Zedarus' http://rpgworld.altervista.org/335/d...00000000000000 build and @Evangelion's build http://wotlk.openwow.com/talent#j0Eh...G0ItVrczbucuzI

That covers talents. But what about glyphs, runes, and stat priority, gems, enchants?
I've read somewhere (not on warmane's forum) that runes should be Razorice on main and Fallen Crusader on offhand weapons. Is that true?

Also, two more things:1. should I dual wield swords cuz racial or stick to axes like everyone says?
2. MACROS. If you can give me any that may benefit me in PvP. So far I've only seen the Lichform plus Death coil one


Thank you all in advance!

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http://rpgworld.altervista.org/335/d...00000000000000
This is the spec I'd use if it was up to me. This one is the best Frost spec arena-wise. The other might be better in world PvP thanks to the healing you get from Blood Tap and Mark of Blood but meh.
Glyphs: Hungering Cold, Frost Strike, Anti-Magic Shell
Runes: Razorice on MH and Cinderglacier/Fallen Crusader on OH, the latter being more commonly used.
Stat Priority: Generally you want to cap hit, get enough spell penetration and you wanna focus on getting enough expertise (via the GSB 25 ring and the PP 10 neck). After that Strength is your primary stat.
Enchants: Just do the standard PvP enchants.
Dual wield whatever weapons you can get your hands on. Use whichever is better. Get a weapon to match your racial for the expertise bonus only if you can choose (for example all WF weapons have the same stats so you can choose whether to get a one handed mace, sword, etc.).
You can just use standard DK PvP macros such as Focus Strang/Mind Freeze/ Death Grip/ Chains, etc.

http://wotlk.openwow.com/talent#jcbhZGMetArckbucuzAZc - Id use this if I were you.
Weapons dont really matter, axes or not, so if you're human you will use swords cause of the racial. However the best pve one hands are axes, like most of the weapons in wotlk lol.
Enchant them with Razorice and Fallen crus.

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Originally Posted by Turbolqk

http://wotlk.openwow.com/talent#jcbhZGMetArckbucuzAZc - Id use this if I were you.
Weapons dont really matter, axes or not, so if you're human you will use swords cause of the racial. However the best pve one hands are axes, like most of the weapons in wotlk lol.
Enchant them with Razorice and Fallen crus.

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why did u took butchery? its pointless. just 5/5 into blade barrier, frost always need that dmg reduction(combined with resil) to be able to put pressure, its like when u should be dumping that rp onto km proc but suddenly opponent goes full yolo on you every extra dmg reduction/resil/avoidance will help u to maintain dmg and not turtling

I didnt take butchery.

thank you all for your answers!

Main benefit of playing frost is always Hungering Cold but second one is massive burst.

I'm not fan of those life tap / mark of blood specs because youre giving up burst for more survivablity, which will still be pretty terrible (and they aren't viable in arena). Just find healer in BG lul.

I prefer FC on main hand to get proc more reliably for bursting, otherwise there's no real differency even if someone might start to argue about it. FC is almost superior due persisting for full 15 seconds instead of 2 frost strikes (last time I checked, Cinderglacier ppm was bugged on icecrown, barely ever proccing).

However if you're low on strenght, cinderglacier can compete with FC. It's not entirely bad enchant, it just procs too rarely and too much rng, while FC is simply reliable and stacks nicely with unbreakable armor + blessing of kings.

Additionally if you have very low 1h weapons, using better 2hand is viable (played frost to r1 / 2900 in 2s with shadowmourne in one of molten seasons, frost damage was bugged though). You can estimate same ilvl dualwield to do around 25%'ish more damage than 2h when you consider this

and as extra, my 1shot macro for frost

Spoiler: Show

#show Blood Presence
/cancelaura Hand of Protection
/targetlasttarget [noharm]
/cast Blood Tap
/cast Blood Presence
/cast Unbreakable Armor
/cast Deathchill
/cast Frost Strike

use it wisely (on low hp targets)

And the other things you asked.

Glyphs: Frost Strike, Hungering Cold, Anti-Magic Shell should be standard for frost pvp, there's little gain in any aspect to swap them for anything else.

Stat priority: 135 spell pen>resilience> strenght >>> expertise>> crit

Gems: see stat priority.

Enchants: attack power enchants were applicable (including feet, you dont use tuskarrs due having unholy presence on MOST OF TIME). Resilience on legs.

EDIT: Quick note about gear, full pvp works fine, but you need few pve pieces (easily avaible):
-Death's Verdict or Choice for vote points
-271 1h axes for vote points
- if human, Whisper Fanged Skull from ICC

If you're using coins
- Main hand havocs call
- Offhand Havocs Call or 277 PVP mace / axe
- 284 Apocalypse feet thing