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Shouldnt something be done about the fact that a class needing a 2handed weapon needs to spend 23 coins to get one item while someone who needs a mainhand and a offhand needs to spend over 40 coins for the same general gear? it is quite unfair.
Something like 1 free offhand being included in the price of a mainhand item or the ability to double a bought weapon (i.e you buy 1 but get 2, for fury warriors).
Better don't talk about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by WolfCD
That will rather make them increase the price for two-handers to 46 coins than lowering the price of main-hand/off-hand
Do you get a free off-hand when you farm for equipment in game and a main-hand drops, or vice-versa?Quote:
Originally Posted by WolfCD
It's two items vs. one item, no matter how you try to paint it.
In PvP a one hand cost less than a two hand though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obnoxious
Imo it would make more sense if the coin price was based on the gearscroe of a item. In this case the item price would depend on its benefit.
For example, a BiS two-hand has usually 1103 GS , a one-hand 551 GS, a waist 398 GS and bracers 298 GS.
Divide that GS by lets say 25 and the two-hander would cost 44 coins, the one-hand 22 coins, the waist 16 coins and the bracers 12 coins.
Ingame you also double your chance at getting either, because you have 2 chances of either of them dropping. Also this isnt an ingame issue, its about equality in the itsemshop, and right now specific classes are at a disadvantage compared to other just due to it. A 2hand weapon is a mainhand and offhand rolled into one, the itemshop should respect that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obnoxious
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Also as the person above pointed out in pvp the cost of a 2hander or mainhand + offhand tend to be the same.
I agree. One hand weapon price should be littler lower
By that logic, shoudn't BiS trinkets cost less too, since you need two of them? What about if you're dual-specc'd, and you need both dps and tank trinkets? Shouldn't dual-specc'd people get both sets for the cost of one?
See where the logic starts to fall apart some?
The coin shop isn't about equality, it's about convenience. Single items have set costs, it's pretty simple.
If you want BiS items, you have to be ready to pay the premium price to get them.
Im sorry, but that makes no sense at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voevoduul
If some classes only needed one trinket instead of two it would make sense, but every single spec needs 2 BiS trinkets. Only classes/specs using 2handers instead of mainhand/offhand get a 2 in 1 item, the Gearscore of a 2hander is mainhand and offhand combined, the pvp cost of a 2 hander is mainhand and offhand combined.
The fact of the matter is that one twohanded weapon is worth over 40 coins. This makes it quite unfair to people that require a main- and offhand. Baking a offhand into the mainhand would be an easy way to make these things equal.
Especially since weapons are probably the most bought items in the store.
It's just inherent to the class, at the end of the day. Sure, a BiS 2h is 23 coins, but it's really just one weapon. Two 1h BiS is two BiS weapons, so...you're buying two weps.
You can look at it this way, I guess, though : Take a DK for example. Three tanking specs, three dps specs. If you want to buy the BiS weps for a DK, for either two dps specs, or a tank and dps spec (assuming you dual-spec), you're either going to be buying two 2h'ers, or 4 1h'ers, or a 2h and two 1h'ers, since each spec requires different weapon specifications.
You can't just buy 1 2h and call it good, since there are different BiS weapons depending on the specs you choose.
And god help you if you want to ever try / need to change your spec as a DK, you're gonna need to buy another 2h (And no, Smourne isn't the be all end all for DK's :p It's actually not that great for them, in case someone was going to mention that one ;) )
Or a Prot warr, you'll need to buy, at a minimum, 2 BiS items, your 1h and your shield, and if you want to dual-spec, again, that's two more 2h'ers.
When you look at it from those perspectives (just as examples), I think the coin shop pricing is more fair overall than you think.
Again, you're paying to skip the grind to get a BiS item, so 'fairness' doesn't really factor in, at the end of the day.
Technically, they don't need to offer a single item, or even have a Coin Shop, donations could just be merely that, donations, with maybe the q-skipping offered as a bonus.
No it isnt. Bringing up dual spec doesnt even make sense, and if you need a 1h and a shield or a 1h and a offhand doesnt make a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voevoduul
The fact is that some specs have a major advantage in the store.
@OP: So with your logic, fury warriors would get a discount on 2H weapons because they need two of them then?
Fury warriors are a special case, but yes if it was up to me they should get a second one for free after buying their first (or a duplicate of the one they got). Basicely, all (non legendary) slots should cost the same, a chest costs the same for everyone, a cape costs the same - the weapon slot should cost the same for every class/spec too.Quote:
Originally Posted by densi77
I think its a bit unfair that a feral druid needs 1 weapon, yet a rogue needs 2. Given a cash shop of course.
There's no way a Fury warr should get two BiS 2h weapons for the price of one, that's just silly. Why not just spec into Fury, buy two BiS, and then re-spec into Arms? Now you've got at least a PvE BiS and a PvP BiS too...Quote:
Originally Posted by WolfCD
Do you see how it could be gamed?
And what about DK's? And Hunters?
Why should Fury get a free 2h BiS, and not me too? <-- What any 2h user would say. I know I would, personally.
It falls apart pretty quickly.
I think if you need two BiS weapons, you just have to accept that you're going to need to buy TWO BiS weapons.
Whether it's 2 2h'ers, or 2 1h'ers, it's just inherent to what you "need" to buy.
You could just NOT buy them, and go raid for them.
But the whole point of the coin shop + prices, and what I think you're missing completely, is that it's an OPTIONAL convenience.
Fair or unfair doesn't factor in to the price.
Otherwise, Smourne would cost a LOT less than 150 coins.
In the end : You want BiS, you have to pay for BiS.
Everything else is just conversation.
Item Gearscore/25 = coin price
That simple formula would be the perfect solution.
The item price would be based on the benefit of the item and that doesn't only apply to weapons but to all kind of gear.
So by that reasoning, 2h BiS weps would cost even more than they do now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakkre
So, again, 2h users are at even more of a disadvantage, and 1h'ers are even cheaper now.
Math much?