PvP ain't complete without city raids - Issue with Blackrock realm

Hi,

Greetings from an old player who joined here since 10 years ago back when Neltharion realm had its glory days. Please don't let my account join date fool y'all, it's a shame that I didn't get to retrieve my old accounts back. Anyway, let's get into the topic.

So lately I've created toons on all realms to have a taste of its experience. As a huge fan of PvP, I really wanted to hop on Blackrock, but I find something huge missing... which is the city raids.

I totally understand that some players just like to get online and do some BGs or arenas, that's what Blackrock is for (probably). However, after I played on the realm for a bit, I felt like no one is really passionate in PvP or wanted to build a PvP community. Most players on Blackrock are kinda like just chilling or trolling around. You might won't even see your arena partners or in-game friends get online anymore, after you logged off. The realm doesn't look alive.

My question is, why don't make the realm alive? Instead of just camping at Dalaran, why not let's have some PvP raids? Instead of having no NPC, why not make the cities alive and PvP zones alive? It's a PvP-only realm, eh? That way, true PvP players who have no intention to do PvE will probably join the realm, guilds in Blackrock will have more stuffs to do, people will interact with each other... instead of just doing arenas for maybe a few days then boom, disappear.

I'm not quite sure what would others think, but I believe a PvP realm should have WPvP, not just joint BGs/arenas with the rest of the realm. Not to mention that most realms don't even have city raids (what a waste).

I am no one to speak for the rest, but as a true PvP fan (3.3.5 especially), I find it city raids (and BGs) are what make PvP fun.

Please feel free to share your thoughts, too.

If you want world pvp, you should play on Icecrown/Lordaeron/Frostmourne.

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Originally Posted by Drunkuser

If you want world pvp, you should play on Icecrown/Lordaeron/Frostmourne.

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why tho? in the old Blackrock (AT) world pvp was a thing, why not again? imo Blackrock should encourage all forms of PVP, not just arena. this keeps the community alive.

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Originally Posted by ScaleRipper

why tho? in the old Blackrock (AT) world pvp was a thing, why not again? imo Blackrock should encourage all forms of PVP, not just arena. this keeps the community alive.

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Drunk's right. In fact my alt just got his war bear this past weekend (reward for successful raid of all horde capital cities). This is Frostmourne.

WPvP still happens here. Maybe not as often as you want, but it does still happen.

I agree with the OP. Blackrock lacks Wpvp.
Imo the best solution would be a cross-realm PvP area. Smth like AT's queldanas on which players from all Wotlk realms can teleport to.
The PvP area could rotate. Like each week a different World zone where players can teleport to.
A battle royale mode would be also funny. 3 man parties spawn spreaded in a world area and with each kill the grp gets a stackable buff. Last surviving team gets a special reward.
Cross-realm technology has so much unused potential....

Multiboxing has ruined city raids in the rest of realms.

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Originally Posted by Drunkuser

If you want world pvp, you should play on Icecrown/Lordaeron/Frostmourne.

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I've expected that I will get this, the rest of the realm are cool, but that's not the main point.

The main thing is, since there is a PvP-only realm (a PURE PvP realm), I don't see the point for a player who wants to only PvP to join an ordinary realm that requires players to do PvE to get most of the BiS items, and starter gears (furious/blues/etc) by doing RDF or pugging... why the hassle when a player can have Relentless as a starter on Blackrock with approximately 1k resilience? From there, players could just farm BiS/whatever by doing just PvP. Also, Blackrock allows players to skip the leveling process, professions leveling process, the gemming and enchant process, gold farming, etc. Such an amazing realm for PvPers, why waste it? Why not encourage WPvP by making the cities alive (making it possible for cities raids), and add some PvP zones? Players who enjoy PvP will hop on the realm to do some fun stuffs, that's for sure.

Don't get me wrong, BGs and arenas are fun, but I don't recall PvP is limited to only BGs and arenas. WPvP, or city raids at least, is a BIG ASPECT in PvP. Most people who loves PvP would love to have an open world to do something. Blackrock has so much potential in my honest opinion.

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Originally Posted by Goranham

Drunk's right. In fact my alt just got his war bear this past weekend (reward for successful raid of all horde capital cities). This is Frostmourne.

WPvP still happens here. Maybe not as often as you want, but it does still happen.

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That's one of the problem, how long are we gonna wait until the next raid? What would PvPers do when most players are PvE-ing? Why not create a true PvP community on a PvP-only realm (since we have it on the server)? My point still stands, refer to my comment above, why not introduce WPvP on a PvP-only server by keeping the PvP community alive? A PvP-only realm should not only have every players parking at Dalaran and queue for BGs and arenas, that's just pathetic.

To me, it is more like a realm for newbies to try out classes/specs before hopping into other realm to play a particular class/spec. Doesn't look very much like a PvP-only realm.

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Originally Posted by mier

Imo the best solution would be a cross-realm PvP area. Smth like AT's queldanas on which players from all Wotlk realms can teleport to.
The PvP area could rotate. Like each week a different World zone where players can teleport to.
A battle royale mode would be also funny. 3 man parties spawn spreaded in a world area and with each kill the grp gets a stackable buff. Last surviving team gets a special reward.
Cross-realm technology has so much unused potential....

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The idea sounds cool, sounds like something I dig. And I couldn't agree more, that cross-realm thing has HUGE potential. I just can't stand seeing people sitting at Dalaran (not even at the center of the Dalaran city) and waiting for queues for BGs and arenas. I really hope Warmane staffs make full use of it.

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Originally Posted by laughisgood

That's one of the problem, how long are we gonna wait until the next raid? What would PvPers do when most players are PvE-ing? Why not create a true PvP community on a PvP-only realm (since we have it on the server)? My point still stands, refer to my comment above, why not introduce WPvP on a PvP-only server by keeping the PvP community alive? A PvP-only realm should not only have every players parking at Dalaran and queue for BGs and arenas, that's just pathetic.

To me, it is more like a realm for newbies to try out classes/specs before hopping into other realm to play a particular class/spec. Doesn't look very much like a PvP-only realm.

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Are you wanting a server where there's no raids, no instances, no endgame quests, etc.? I'd pretty much guarantee that it would be a virtual ghost town. There are tons of people (I'm not one) who raid to get gear in order to compete in PvP.

Before WoW I played an MMO around the turn of the millennium called Dark Age of Camelot. They had a couple servers that were hardcore PvP servers. All other players were killable, even your own race/faction. It started off huge and quickly died, because eventually it was just ruled by wandering mobs of max-level people killing anyone and everyone in sight. If you've ever seen the old Mad Max trilogy with Mel Gibson, it eventually turned into that. Nobody had fun, and it pretty much folded.

As of now, there are plenty of options for PvP people. World PvP, arena, BGs. It sounds like you're wanting more WPvP, but there's nothing stopping people from doing that on these servers. Hell, Blizzard even incentivized it (as I mentioned with achievements and getting a new mount).

If everybody want every server for make city raids,im instant leave forever :) raids\dungeons,daillys,man,many way you can spare your time,city raiding is not a big honor,most of ppl raiding,pvp playing,so u want an achievment after u entered other race main city ,killed all low geared or afk Player ? Big honor,hah.

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Originally Posted by Goranham

Are you wanting a server where there's no raids, no instances, no endgame quests, etc.?

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It's not that "I am wanting", I mean I can't be wanting it, because such kind of server already exists. Blackrock is already a realm that has no PvE raids, instances, no endgame quests, etc. It's the existence of Blackrock makes me eager to share my thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Goranham

As of now, there are plenty of options for PvP people. World PvP, arena, BGs. It sounds like you're wanting more WPvP, but there's nothing stopping people from doing that on these servers. Hell, Blizzard even incentivized it (as I mentioned with achievements and getting a new mount).

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Plenty of options, that's right, that's cool, and I love those options. But what's your point?

Why not introduce your so called "plenty of options" on a PvP-only realm? From what I've seen so far, Warmane doesn't need to create a new realm, and eventually turn it into a ghost town (or something not-so-fun), because that thing already exists. And what I've suggested was to add a few more existing stuffs onto an existing realm.

And yes, you're right, I do indeed wanted more WPvP. I'm current leveling my toons on Icecrown, by the way. But I truly hope Blackrock uses its full potential, I know people like me would enjoy it a lot.

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Originally Posted by samhardwell1

If everybody want every server for make city raids,im instant leave forever :) raids\dungeons,daillys,man,many way you can spare your time,city raiding is not a big honor,most of ppl raiding,pvp playing,so u want an achievment after u entered other race main city ,killed all low geared or afk Player ? Big honor,hah.

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You pretty much had the answer of the reason I am suggesting introducing WPvP onto Blackrock. I am not demanding every realm to turn into a PvP culture thing, but just Blackrock. The rest of the players who enjoy PvE or "normal-WoW-vibes" wouldn't get affected in any way.

You talked about spare time, I understand that there are tons of things to do in WoW. But someone like me who just wants to PvP ALL DAY LONG has no point to join an ordinary realm when there is an existence of Blackrock (instant 80, PvP gears as starter, etc...). Some people just doesn't want spend hours or free time on PvE content, I know for sure there are people like this.

Also, it has nothing to do with honor. It's the vibes, it's fun.

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Originally Posted by laughisgood

I understand that there are tons of things to do in WoW. But someone like me who just wants to PvP ALL DAY LONG has no point to join an ordinary realm when there is an existence of Blackrock (instant 80, PvP gears as starter, etc...). Some people just doesn't want spend hours or free time on PvE content, I know for sure there are people like this.

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I don't get it. Is something preventing you from PvPing all day long? Are you under the impression that arenas and BGs shut down periodically during the day, or that you can't kill any of the opposite faction whenever you want, outside of a few starter areas?

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Originally Posted by Goranham

I don't get it. Is something preventing you from PvPing all day long? Are you under the impression that arenas and BGs shut down periodically during the day, or that you can't kill any of the opposite faction whenever you want, outside of a few starter areas?

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Please kindly read again what I said. Nothing is preventing me from PvPing (I didn't say anything about I am being prevented from PvP).

What I was saying was someone who wants to play only PvP (no intention to do PvE) has no point to join other realms, since Blackrock offers Relentless gears as started. People like this tend to not wanting to spend time for PvE. As simple as that.

I hope I expressed it in a much clearer way now.

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Originally Posted by laughisgood

Please kindly read again what I said. Nothing is preventing me from PvPing (I didn't say anything about I am being prevented from PvP).

What I was saying was someone who wants to play only PvP (no intention to do PvE) has no point to join other realms, since Blackrock offers Relentless gears as started. People like this tend to not wanting to spend time for PvE. As simple as that.

I hope I expressed it in a much clearer way now.

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All realms have bottomed-out epics one step below the maximum, in order to close the gap between the fresh 80 and the wildly geared pro next to him in Dalaran.