ingame toxicity regarding raiding/gear/misplays

I really don't understand where all the impatience and toxicity comes from in game, but it's real bad, and it seems like its the norm for some reason to be a complete jerk to everyone.

This is my first time playing the game properly - my very first save. I've hit 80 after some gruelling griefing and spawncamping (it's pvp, so I kinda expected this) - so I was really looking forward to getting some end game gear to help other low levels who might be being griefed somewhere.
I'm still learning a lot about the game, and more so now about raiding. A lot of these bosses are my first time, but i'm trying my best with the DPS meter and Deadly boss mods addons.
When I do make mistakes, or if my dps isnt as high, people troll and flame about it - rather than being constructive and actually trying to help. I've only had ONE player whisper me after a dungeon to see if I was new, and alas, as soon as he knew, he was a lot kinder and actually gave me tips. In the entire month i've been playing so far, only one person was actually kind.

Whats the deal? I can't get a better gear score without doing these dungeons and raids, so why do people feel the need to be so toxic? Kinda puts me off, making me want to go back to guildwars!

rant over, sorry

You're also being toxic by being bad. You have so much information available right now on how to improve your gameplay within minutes of practice if you cared enough to look for it. If you want players to stop being toxic towards you, do you part and play better or quit.

I hate doing group PVE content outside of the guild runs because there's so many of you bad players who can't even do the most braindead mechanics or play the 2 button specs to do good dps and you refuse to improve. You'd rather complain about others being toxic towards you than actually doing something about it.

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jokes on you, I HAVE watched several videos and researched on strategies, tactics and what to expect from dungeons and bosses. But here we are, we have people like you coming in and assuming the worst on new players. Just another toxic person..

Whenever ANYONE starts in a game, expect mistakes to be made. That's NOT being toxic - it's a part of the learning experience and a part of ANY game. I can imagine most players start the exact same as me, only these days there's less newbies around, so people are jerks just because they can be.

Hope this made you feel super big.

When people troll or flame you because you're not good enough just ignore them or tell them to **** off it's that simple

Again, assuming I havn't done research. I have, and I'm still always looking at more ways to improve, but unfortunately time and practice is not something most players take into consideration.

I don't expect any attention, just want people to not be a-holes at every opportunity. I'll mind my own business and shrug off if im not good enough for someones group, it's only when they start being toxic that's the issue.

It's not an issue, it's just a fact of reality. Some people are toxic. We don't know what is "toxic" for you, would be great if you could tell us.

And, if you really have put in a proper effort, your performance should be satisfactory for random pug raid. Don't pay attention, just when you wipe the raid properly apologize and explain what you did wrong, so everyone is assured that there wont be any more waste of time.

This is always a problem, Iam all for helping out and guide others, but sometimes you just wanna play.

I work and have a family, so when I sit down in front of the PC and is set up to doing some raiding or so.

I don’t wanna spend 3hours wiping because some person don’t wanna read up on tactics before going to raid or read up on how hes class work.
-This has always been a thing.

Iam all for helping, but not when I have reserved my time to raiding, not helping.

I even tried to make a helping guild, but none would really join, people just want a good guild to carry them (:

I will say if you make mistakes you get flamed fast, but that how these game work, most of the players are kids that havn’t experianced the real world yet ;)

Unfortunately, welcome to the World of Warcraft experience. Barring the first week or two of new content (brand new content never seen before, on retail), people will expect you to have add-ons that tell you exactly what to do and to have learned every step from videos before you ever set foot in the instance. The same thing happens on retail, except people there usually are less vocal about it, and are more likely to just vote-kick you out silently instead. The culture of the game hasn't been one of enjoying the "going in blind" experience for a very, very long time.

Your options are limited, probably either find a guild that welcomes newbies and is up to teaching them (chances of finding an unicorn holding a pot of gold at the end of an upside-down rainbow might be higher) or getting in with the program. At least assuming you intend on keeping playing the game.

It's the "Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game."

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Originally Posted by Icyheart

"players will optimize the fun out of a game."

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There, fixed it for you. Now it's more optimized.

Have you ever played League of Legends? Or CS? This is everywhere and much worse. People are just venting their frustration from real life.
As a new player you should read tactics or watch videos before joining the raid. You can't expect others to carry you and basically give you items for free. I would also recommend to join a guild, there are plenty of them focused on learning new players or you can join a guild in your native language, people are on discord every raid and if you say you are new, they will tell you what to do before and during the raid (you don't need to talk, just listen). Just don't get discouraged, learn everything and then you can teach new players without toxicity.

Maybe tell them right away you are new and it's your first time. Most of these dungeons can be 4 or even 3 manned with competent people. As a geared DPS it's common for me to pull nearly 50% of the total damage, so I never complain about someone slacking. And as a hybrid I can even step in to tank a bit if necessary or off-heal. Having new players and those occasional oh-**** moments actually makes RDF more fun for me. Keep your head up and good luck!

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Again, assuming I havn't done research. I have, and I'm still always looking at more ways to improve, but unfortunately time and practice is not something most players take into consideration.

I don't expect any attention, just want people to not be a-holes at every opportunity. I'll mind my own business and shrug off if im not good enough for someones group, it's only when they start being toxic that's the issue.

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"When I do make mistakes, or if my dps isnt as high, people troll and flame about it"

If you know the tactics and you have looked up guides for your class and still preform badly then unfortunately there seems to be a skill issue. Maybe you just aren't good enough to be playing in the raids you have been playing in?

I think it's actually more fun to occasionally have a run with some newer players and a few mistakes than do the same old silent run through.
I don't get it why so many people in RDF expect everyone to be a veteran and thoroughly know the dungeon, also those kinds of people think insults will magically fix the problem, and never actually tell you what you did wrong.
Once on PoS I accidentally mistaked hoarfrost with the puddles of ice forming on the ground, so 3 people got frozen for 2 sec by the attack right before we killed the boss. I got called a ****** for that very, very minor inconvenience. If I didn't have dbm I wouldn't have known what that attack was and might have mistaken it again

I'm gonna say that you don't need to watch videos on dungeons, use dbm and in new dungeons tell your group right at the start that its your first time and ask if you should know anything. This way they know you might accidentally **** up and it's kinda on them if they don't inform you about something critical. People shouldn't mark themselves as dungeon guide if they aren't ready to answer very basic questions.

Raids will be a different story since there's 9 or 24 players relying on you to properly do your part, there's much more at stake and it's a larger time sink.

If someone reading this thinks I'm unreasonable, grow up and find a guild to dungeon with instead of RDF, all of your problems (other than attitude) will be fixed.