Suggestion to Improve Low-Level Battlegrounds on Warmane

I’d really love to see battlegrounds while leveling become an actual fun and viable thing to do.

Right now, most active brackets are full of twinks from all servers. From my experience, if you join a BG as a non-twink — even if you’re at the top of the bracket lvl wise (like level 69) — you often get flamed by your own team. An alarming amount of twinks get insanely toxic and start insulting you just because you’re not fully optimized like they are.

It honestly feels like, by their logic, normal players just aren’t supposed to enjoy BGs while leveling. They only want twinks on their team… but I guess that standard doesn’t apply to the enemy team?

So here’s a genuine question to the community (especially the twink community) :

Why not separate XP-locked players into their own bracket? If locking XP below max level put you in a twink-only queue, you’d be playing against other geared and optimized players. Would that really ruin the experience for you? Not being able to oneshot people? Or would it actually make things more competitive and fun for you?

On top of that, I’d love to see a small incentive system added. Some servers give a bit of XP and maybe a small loot bag for winning BGs. Nothing crazy, nothing better than questing or dungeons, but at least enough to make it a real alternative. It would help with gold for spells and some basic gear upgrades while leveling.

I think something like this would be amazing, especially on newer or still-leveling servers like Onyxia. PvP while leveling could actually feel rewarding and source for a ton of fun instead of frustrating. My personal friend group and I would probably never stop making alts if that was the case.

Note that this is all obviously based on my personal opinion and experience, but I’m genuinely curious what others think, especially people who actively twink.

Let me know your honest thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Zubeh

If locking XP below max level put you in a twink-only queue, you’d be playing against other geared and optimized players. Would that really ruin the experience for you? Not being able to oneshot people?

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A shocking amount of "pvp"-players live off of the sensation of superiority they get by basically showing up with a rocket launcher at a casual archery contest.
They have a love-hate relationship with anyone outside their bubble. They love you if you're on the enemy team - and despise you if you're on theirs. If they could farm easy kills on you all day you'd be the perfect buddy. They curse you being able to be placed on their team too.

So yes, you'd ruin their experience. If you force them to interact with each other they'll probably end up organizing another Graveyard-HK-Farm like it's done at maxlvl already. They avoid each other like the plague.

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Originally Posted by Blind

A shocking amount of "pvp"-players live off of the sensation of superiority they get by basically showing up with a rocket launcher at a casual archery contest.
They have a love-hate relationship with anyone outside their bubble. They love you if you're on the enemy team - and despise you if you're on theirs. If they could farm easy kills on you all day you'd be the perfect buddy. They curse you being able to be placed on their team too.

So yes, you'd ruin their experience. If you force them to interact with each other they'll probably end up organizing another Graveyard-HK-Farm like it's done at maxlvl already. They avoid each other like the plague.

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So that's generally why the community + warmane devs haven't changed this? Out of fear that these types of players will make too much of a mess in open world or simply stop playing if put in their own locked XP cross realm battlegroup?

Ngl that doesn't really justify "punishing" everyone else in my opinion.

No, because it's just part of the game.
There's no rule being broken, no cheating involved, just min-maxing anyone can do if they put in the effort.

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Originally Posted by Zubeh

So that's generally why the community + warmane devs haven't changed this? Out of fear that these types of players will make too much of a mess in open world or simply stop playing if put in their own locked XP cross realm battlegroup?

Ngl that doesn't really justify "punishing" everyone else in my opinion.

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You're mixing up quite a lot of things here. You're talking low level battlegrounds which are a fraction of a fraction of the servers population in the first place. It's really not a widespread concern. PvP, especially organized, is already not as widespread as most pvp-players think it is.
Also it's not the devs fault how the server plays out within the rules/boundaries given. Should they ban bis people from doing loremaster because it could ruin the fun of the leveling population?

It's just how the community wants to play this game. Like even if they banned twinks/graveyard farming pvp players would find other ways to achieve the same goal. Not the devs duty to babysit everyone.

Thing is, ppl with locked xp used to have own bracket during original wotlk on offi.

Here with times smaller population doing so might increase BG wait time even more OR it might actually become interesting for more normal lvling ppl when they would not have to deal with the toxicity mentioned by OP and if they actually had a chance to win some fights.

We will never know unless it is tried.

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Originally Posted by TutellaF

Thing is, ppl with locked xp used to have own bracket during original wotlk on offi.


We will never know unless it is tried.

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My point exactly.

Not saying any rule has been broken, It's a suggestion which in my mind is a win/win for everyone if they majority of twinks would welcome the challenge.

Clowns and crybabies, no one is forcing you to register, for example, 70-79 BG in gear at level 35 (I'm talking about Icecrown now).
The bracket has just started to revive, with the 40vs40 Alterac Valley procs.
If you enter what you're asking for, the bracket will die, and you'll be playing 5v5 at most.
This isn't an official server with 50 realms.
So just do the quests as you normally would. If you were a strong PvP player, you'd be able to kill any 79 at 75, instead of whining on the forums.

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Originally Posted by Lemvaerz

Clowns and crybabies, no one is forcing you to register

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How is making a suggestion “whining”? I’m honestly surprised by how defensive some people get over a simple proposal.

Starting your reply with “clowns” and “crybabies” doesn’t make your point stronger. If the goal is to keep the bracket alive, shutting down every alternative with insults isn’t helping your case.

No one is asking for bans. No one is accusing twinks of cheating. This is just a discussion about whether the current setup is healthy for participation. Saying “just quest” or “get good” doesn’t really address that. It just avoids the actual topic.

You believe separating brackets would hurt low level participation. I believe constantly matching casual players against fully optimized characters, while refusing to even consider other approaches, is what drives people away. That’s a disagreement about what’s healthier for the bracket, not a personal attack.

And it’s not only about bracket separation. I also suggested small incentives for leveling players, like modest XP or a simple reward bag. Nothing overpowered, nothing that replaces questing. Just enough to make battlegrounds feel like a real option while leveling instead of something you regret queuing for.

If every suggestion gets met with hostility instead of discussion, people are going to keep pointing out the toxicity. You can disagree without acting like anyone who questions the current system is whining or beneath you.

What other reward bag did you want, kekw
You're probably used to getting rewards at the expense of others.
You're certainly a clown, not realizing that Brackets will simply die because of your stupid suggestion, but you don't care what happens to Brackets and the people who've been playing here for 8 years. The important thing is that you get a reward bag once a day for playing WSG 4 vs. 5, which ends in 5 minutes.
Just look at the brackets from 20-29 to 50-59 - they're dead. 60-69 has only recently started to revive a bit, 70-79 has always been alive, and don't bother coming here with your proposals, which will destroy what took years to build.

I don't deny that playing against a strong opponent is cool, but without other opponents you won't be able to play BGs like AB, EoTS, SoTA, AV, and Isle properly.

I'd rather play in a low level team and have interesting and varied CTA BGs than get some useless bag of rewards for a 4 vs 5 BG.

That’s fine.

It’s clear this isn’t a discussion about improving participation. It’s about defending the status quo at all costs. That’s completely within your right.

I made a suggestion, explained the reasoning behind it, and stayed respectful throughout. If the standard response to that is mockery, dismissiveness, and even moderation that reduces everything to “it’s part of the game,” then there’s not much more to say.

You’re right about one thing though. Population matters.
And communities don’t shrink because of rule changes. They shrink when feedback is treated like a threat instead of something worth examining.

No hard feelings. I’ve said what I wanted to say. You can close the thread if needed.