An important message to all PVP guild masters/leaders on Icecrown(and BR)

A plea to every PVP guild master/leader on Icecrown and Blackrock that's playing nowadays or even thinking to come back: START mobilizing your players at peak evening hours to que with at least 5 (ideally 10 and even 15) people premades so random GvG type fights vs other premades can start happening again. At the moment the premade vs premade community is not like it was in 2022. Back then, there were snipes and guild rivalry that are not present nowadays. Now if one of the guilds decide to que 10 or 15 man premade, they wait 15 minutes to match against pugs. Ever thought why it's slow ? - because NOT ENOUGH guilds/groups que at prime evening hours. Now I want you to imagine what it would look like if 10 different guilds/groups were que-ing at the same time - instant pop battlegrounds, GvG content and snipes all over the place and that's something that needs to return. Leave your ego aside, tell your people in discord to log at evenings, 18 ST for example and start queing 10/15 man specific bgs so great GvG type fights can happen. We are all tired to que at evenings and get matched against pugs that are not able to fight back after 15 minutes of waiting. If you are an influental guild master - bring your players together and let's leave the pugs fight vs other pugs in WSG 11, while 3 pairs of raids have amazing fights in WSG 1 2 and 3. Wicked PvP, Vinctus, Old Division, Simply Gifted, limit PVP, I N V I N C I B L E, Aniquilador on alliance and mission complete, Tooth Fairy, Unmerciful, Revenance, Wranglers, Injustice, Undying Disfigurement, Armory on horde, and every pvp guild that's currently playing on blackrock - WAKE UP from this deep sleep the pvp premade scene is witnessing right now and start que-ing between 17 and 21 ST, so we have the epic fights everyone wants to have, once again. hi, Carpe Noctem, Not Sorry/Sorry, original Trauma, Sanctus Exercitus and Eternal Legacy - please if any of you read this, consider coming back to Warmane pvp as you are all important guilds in this whole scene. Let's really make it so we have 10 different guilds que at evening which is going to be insane, for the sake of amazing, exciting, thrilling PVP and instant ques with no waiting. Premades are meant to fight other premades no matter the outcome. And think about this - the situation at the moment is like that because we let it be like that. Change something today, as guild masters, leaders, individuals that want to have an amazing fight with your team/guild/raid, or just with your friends. Thanks for the attention.

Look at the rest of threads for BG state and PVP in general, you have guild doing full premade vs pugs 24/7 from Alliance side, you lose 9/10 as Horde, yea there was Neu Division farming AV and Ioc, but most time they just leave when other BG pops and leave like 10 pugs alone vs 40 alliance, or they ignore any objective and lose at the end, but hey they farmed like 100 HK lol.
People have been asking for premade only bracket so pugs can play against pugs, but Warmane ain't doing anything about it, just get farmed as Horde with answers like:
-It was like this on Wow Wotlk
-If you don't want to lose against premade, make your own
-Use merc mode (I got Ironmen in my first WSG as Alliance do to merc mode, but I got on Alliance side like 3 times only)
How to fix it?
Make premade que only against premade by force.
Or at least delete option to turn of Merc mode, cause if 5 Alliance primades que, they get against Horde only, I saw only one Simple Gifted get on Horde side, all the other Alliance guild get only Alliance side, so no way for RBG to be Alliance vs Alliance premade.
Last thing, I used to check a lot of PVP players from Alliance PVP guilds on Armory, most of them were full donor, no arena, no ICC raid, but full Wratful and Shadowmourne etc, nothing against donors, but...
Don't think a big donor wants to fight other premade, they just want to steam roll Horde pugs, btw Horde if full of same people too but less.
So as a Horde pug you are cooked in any RBG, you get farmed 24/7 by Alliance premade and if you cry about it on forum, same 2 people come to argue with you and same moderator comes to talk about how everything is good, and to stop crying. So there is no hope for normal casual RBG as Horde, I heard Neu Division got dispended so I quess farming HK in AV and Ioc (last Horde chance to win) is done too lol.
RBG situation is cooked, but it is what it is, have a good day.

Yes please larp rated BGs vs eachother and stop stomping my 4k gs alts <3

I guess most PVP guilds have quit or are playing their alts while their bis chars sits inactive. Pwning everyone everytime with credit card gear tends to become boring at some point I guess. I doubt that zero improvements in BG lineup matching help as well.

The state of BGs on Warmane has long been criticized by most players who play them. Although only a handful come to the forum, most express their frustration directly in BG chat.

I understand Warmane's management they want to interfere as little as possible and keep the game as close as possible to how it was on Blizzard's servers (of course, minor improvements have been applied, but that's only good; it improves what Blizzard forgot).

However, when it comes to BGs, intervention is necessary! It is not normal for 40 random players of varying skill and gear to face a premade group every day, composed of a precise lineup of BIS strong frontline tanks, damage dealers, and healers coordinated via Discord. Meanwhile, these players do not do the game objectives to win, their entire activity is just farming honorable kills.

Several solutions have been proposed on this forum some were crazy, others would barely affect the game.

Blizzard introduced Rated BGs in later expansions, where premade groups played against each other and gained advantages similar to arenas.

Warmane needs a change that does not affect premade groups but prevents abuse of the BG queue system, where two completely unbalanced groups face each other. I believe the BG system on Warmane is not Blizzlike.

Because during WOTLK on Blizzard's servers, there were about 240 realms and 10 battlegroups in the US, and about 220 realms and 10 battlegroups in Europe (numbers are approximate). It is almost impossible for 30 players from the same realm to end up in the same BG simultaneously. The system queues 5 players, not a full raid, so coordinated queuing of multiple groups at once practically prevented them from all being placed in the same BG (and even on the same faction). (That is also why Rated BGs were introduced.)

The solution would have to account for the fact that players sometimes go as a premade so 5 players queue together, which is fine. What is not fine is 30 players queuing together into one BG.

I have several ideas to solve this:

1. Mercenary mode for everyone queuing as a group of 2+ players, without the option to disable it.
2. If more than 2 premade groups (2x5 players) queue for AV and IOC via BG selection at the same moment (internal timer +- 30 seconds, because these BGs have longer queues) for the same faction, all other premade groups automatically get mercenary mode (without the option to disable it for that queue). This would not apply to Random BG.

I hope Warmane management takes some measures and listens to the majority of the dissatisfied PvP community, because there are more than enough complaints. Players only want a balanced game where one group is not significantly advantaged (by abusing the queue system) over the other.