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"Enh shamans are allways second if not first in meters." - i agree.
and why not ? because lava lash not work correctly ? Its only drip in sea.
90% casters dont have correct dmg and every class have 1 or 2 playable for pve (only).
This is absolutely normal !?
People, stop crying because the lava lash doing something in PVP. Go to spam other classes that kill on the 3 button (frost, pala, hunter etc.).
Player who is allowed to strike LL on 5 Stacks is noob.
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Originally Posted by slipsas
There are too many flaws in your argument.
• First of all the log you're showing is from Baleroc, stop trying to support your argument with biased information. That's a fallacy.
Look at up to date bosses.
• It's not '87k crit at best' it's his average crit. The yorsahj one has 99k average crit, which obviously means he is able to crit more than that.
I'm wearing double no'kaled + vial of shadows and this is my average Lava Lash crit at 2mill damage done:
http://i.imgur.com/UAlyrhw.jpg
• Now about your rumor of lava lash rarely being 1st in the dps meter, that's false too. I clicked some random Enha stats: Here, here and here as an example.
Now if you would please consider all of this and stop spreading false information, thank you.
The reason why Enha is amongst the top dpsers is likely because other specs are having major bugs, making their dps lower than retail-like. (ex demo locks, fury warrs, ele shams etc.)
:sigh:
Maybe we should left it at that, guys. You can't argue with a person who are prejudiced and predetermined to not look at the damn numbers.
maybe we should give our recount data on murozond ? just so he can see whether our average lava lash crits are bigger, and whether we are topping the dps meter?
or better yet, we can randomly asks for dps data on baleroc that we see every other day, so it's legit and not-staged. Shouldn't be too hard, since there're peeps who goes to FL everyday.
but for now...
http://i.imgur.com/jt62Bon.jpg
as you can see, this is from random sample against heroic end time on molten wow from one of my friends. He is almost ready for FL guild run, only need a better weapon. Full enchants and full sockets and exp-hit capped, reforged too.
Lava lash come second after melee strikes. Notice that his melee max crit is 7800, min crit 1400, and average 4600 (doesn't show on pic)
then the hunter with around the same item quality
http://i.imgur.com/Gqk5JuD.jpg
his explosive shots deals WAY much more damage although not as high crits. His auto shot crits deals max 12k damage. however, the min is as low as 700 damage on crit, averaging on 8500.
then the second from top, dps DK
http://i.imgur.com/xu16Ypw.jpg
The melee stats is shown for comparison. The death coil strikes crits on max 33k.
then the donation-geared blood dk on top dps
http://i.imgur.com/HCEtj7X.jpg
shown for only comparison's sake. His death strike can crit for up to 91k damage and his melee strike max crit is 19.5k
see? Only 23 lavalash for 3 encounters. Average of 7-8 per boss. Compared to hunter's 50 cobra shots per boss (since explosive is dot) that dish out almost the same damage overall.
I think the damage is, at this point, still as balanced as they are expected to be. Lavalash still worth the damage of 5-6 cobra shots, but they can only be used once in every 5-6 cobra shots too.
what 130k crits im 386 with 2 gatecrashers and t12 4set and im happy when i get a 100k which is mostly helped by the on-use trinket
Lol? Just check it: 0 damage - 55k overkill, working as it should, definetly...
http://i.imgur.com/QIVwwEX.jpg
you think 55k is OP? LOLOLOLOL, the problem is that people only see that one damage, but in the same time other classes can make the same amount of damage if not even more.
Really strong argument sir: "we are not bugged because other classes are bugged too". Sooo smart.Quote:
Originally Posted by vanaema
Panofsky: no, better is : "we are bugged but other classes are bugged more".
Argument? More like reality, my retris hits go solidly 20k, 26k, 32k, 43k. Already made more damage in a matter of seconds. Weird how the ss about the mage's crit is still so overlooked. And where did i mention about other classes being bugged? I mentioned that people only see that one damage, but the same time other classes can make the same amount of damage if not even more. The damage isn't usually produced as one big hit, that's what people do not understand.
your warr is full vic and that shammys gear is cata/ruth, your ss just went down the drain.
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Originally Posted by Panofsky
The 0 fire damage is weird, but there's nothing wrong with critting 55k on a full vicious warrior. PvE-wise I verified the LL damage and it's retail-like.
To my fellow shammies, I'd suggest to stop comparing Enha to other classes. You can compare it to retail Enha or calculate whether the current LL formula is correct, but comparing a spell from 1 class to another is meaningless and doesn't help proving anything.
Well it's more to show those people, who think that enh shammys are the only and most bugged class, that there are other classes, what should need the same kind of attention.
I hear you, but now you are implying enha shamans are bugged in the first place, which up until now there's only proof of that not being the case. ;)
Well this is Molten, not a single class here is the way they should be, compared to retail. just bugs can nerf the class or make the class more superior compared to others, people are just too focused on LL damage, forgeting the bugs what other classes are having. yes if someone has the time to test LL and make a bugtracker about it, be my guess.
I'm not ignoring the other classes, I play a arms warrior and I know that our execute damage is bugged and way too high (when I get someone to the execute range in pvp I know is always a free kill). By the way it's the first time I see a 55k critical hit out of a 0 basical hit and I really can't understand how it could happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by vanaema
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Originally Posted by Panofsky
This is not an issue with Lava Lash, something else is affecting it, take a look at this:
http://i.imgur.com/AotqIto.jpg
If there's one thing that annoys me in the forums, it's people spreading big rumors without actual proof.