PSA: It is not OK to need roll on items for disenchanting without permission!

This thread was not created with the intent of being a QQ thread, or any other kind of complaining. If I wanted to complain or QQ, I would have just left it at screw you people that roll need to DE. Instead, this thread was created as a possible information post for new players browsing the forums, or on the odd chance that someone who does do this sees this and then thinks again before doing it the next time. That is all.

On another note, what I've done to combat this is to need against these people, and distribute the shards to everyone that was in group, excluding the original offender, usually through mail. This way, everyone in the group is still benefiting as if the disenchant button was used in the first place. I've even dipped into my own stock of shards to do this, which I know is probably straying into the realm of "too nice for the internet". I don't expect other people to take this route, as that would be pretty naive, but it's a solution I came up with that acts as if loot went the way it is meant to in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Mercy

What does that even have to do with anything anyway?

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It shows that where the buttons are place doesn't show that the buttons are not on an equal level. Aka Greed =/= Disenchant. Otherwise with the logic stated

"There is a reason why Blizzard made Disenchant button, it is also in the same row as Greed button which means these 2 options are for lets say money making - enchanting materials for profession profit, greed for vendoring/selling in AH to get some gold."

would be that Pass = Need. That is the point I am driving Sapphire. And that I don't agree with that kind of logic. But let put it in another perspective.

Gear is important, but so are your professions (not necessarily for gold but to power up your gear/stats) To me Professions such as skinning, enchanting, mining, herbalism are on the same priority as gear as they will help improve my character in different ways. And gear improves your character faster (well imo) Now you don't really need gold in WoW at all or really more than 1000g. (This is assuming you can live without flying and the like) But at the same time just by leveling in dungeons (at least on a retail standard) you get enough gold for everything you need or want. This is me being realistic. This is my experience with the game that I can live with little amount of gold just fine. So needing just to vendor is a lot more terrible than needing to disenchant cause you don't NEED gold as gold comes to you already via quests/dungeons/mobs.

With the advent of the disenchant button, blizzard should have made any items won under need to be un-disenchantable. Even after you wear it and take it off, still disenchantable, too bad people.

Need : You need it because it is a direct upgrade for ALL. STATS. YOUR. SPECK. REQUIRES.
Greed : You want it as an off speck piece or do Disenchant later/xmog
Disenchant : You want the DE mats for whatever reason [If enchanter : saves time, if not enchanter : Screw over the enchanter and use his proff to get the mats.]
Pass : You are not interested with this piece of loot

There's absolutely no difference between need and greed for BOE green disenchant trash when everyone in the party either uses one or the other., the only thing that matters is that everyone rolls on equal grounds. If the disenchant button is available then it offers the convenience of disenchanting the gear for you and as such should be used over the other options but if you have no enchanter in the party, there's 0 reason not to use need. By using greed, you're gambling on the courtesy of others for some arbitrary ***-backwards game morals that make no mechanical sense.

Save yourself the effort of writing whine threads about how everyone should conform to your nonsensical, regurgitated ethics and roll need instead.

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Originally Posted by romz

It shows that where the buttons are place doesn't show that the buttons are not on an equal level. Aka Greed =/= Disenchant.

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That makes absolutely zero sense to me.

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Originally Posted by Mercy

That makes absolutely zero sense to me.

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What I was commenting on originally or disproving this point.

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Originally Posted by Feralbeard

There is a reason why Blizzard made Disenchant button, it is also in the same row as Greed button which means these 2 options are for lets say money making - enchanting materials for profession profit, greed for vendoring/selling in AH to get some gold.

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So now I hope it makes more sense if you actually look at what I was saying.

I honestly think that rolling need to disenchant an item is extremely greedy




#BringBackPetBatlles

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Originally Posted by tronchon

I honestly think that rolling need to disenchant an item is extremely greedy

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So a need == greed!

You broke the game! :@

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Originally Posted by kp9911

So a need == greed!

You broke the game! :@

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more like, is that need a valid one? in most cases it just will not be.

it's just a greedy bastard that wants to further a profession or sell the disenchanted item, neither a valid "need", just a greedy move.

and i don't believe that professions > gear in this context

of course most of the players are not polite enough to ask to roll a need for a disenchant and wait for the group to agree




#BringBackPetBattles

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Originally Posted by romz

What I was commenting on originally or disproving this point.

So now I hope it makes more sense if you actually look at what I was saying.

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It still making zero sense. Just because you were replying to someone who wasn't making any sense doesn't mean you do.

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Originally Posted by Mercy

It still making zero sense. Just because you were replying to someone who wasn't making any sense doesn't mean you do.

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Ok lets try this again so you understand. Button placement on the menu when an item drops has nothing to do with what they are meant for. As the guy that I quoted to show you. He was saying that because Disenchant and Greed are next to each other means they are for making money. More or less, but I was disproving that fact cause of the need/pass button being next to each other so therefore button placement doesn't affect what are on equal levels. If you still don't understand then I don't know what to tell you.

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Originally Posted by romz

If you still don't understand then I don't know what to tell you.

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Seems to me that you're the one that still don't understand.
The placement of those buttons have zero impact in this discussion. Greed and Disenchant being next to each other refers to the roll PRIORITY. If a single person or more rolls need on an item, only those who rolled need are tested against each other for who wins. If people either press greed or disenchant, they are both counted as equal on the rolling table. Ergo, Disenchant = Greed.

That disenchant button is there for a reason. Because not everyone has an enchanter. Enchanter is this profession that unless you're an enchanter yourself (or have another character that is in BoE's case) or someone else is in your party, you have absolutely zero ways of obtaining the materials needed to obtain enchantments. This is the only profession that causes this issue for material gathering.
The disenchant button, is to allow everyone an opportunity to get them, and this is for fairness, because otherwise, Enchanters would make a HEAPLOAD of money since only them could provide the materials unlike all other professions that could work only for tip at best, which will result in everyone making an enchanter, and it will destroy the enchanting economy entirely because everyone will enchant their own stuff. Which coincidentally might provide inscribers with a new market making a buttload in vellums, but i'm going astray here.

That is why you don't need on stuff if you're an enchanter. Don't be that guy. Everyone has a right to a chance at getting enchanting materials.

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Originally Posted by CathMonster

Seems to me that you're the one that still don't understand.
The placement of those buttons have zero impact in this discussion. Greed and Disenchant being next to each other refers to the roll PRIORITY. If a single person or more rolls need on an item, only those who rolled need are tested against each other for who wins. If people either press greed or disenchant, they are both counted as equal on the rolling table. Ergo, Disenchant = Greed.

That disenchant button is there for a reason. Because not everyone has an enchanter. Enchanter is this profession that unless you're an enchanter yourself (or have another character that is in BoE's case) or someone else is in your party, you have absolutely zero ways of obtaining the materials needed to obtain enchantments. This is the only profession that causes this issue for material gathering.
The disenchant button, is to allow everyone an opportunity to get them, and this is for fairness, because otherwise, Enchanters would make a HEAPLOAD of money since only them could provide the materials unlike all other professions that could work only for tip at best, which will result in everyone making an enchanter, and it will destroy the enchanting economy entirely because everyone will enchant their own stuff. Which coincidentally might provide inscribers with a new market making a buttload in vellums, but i'm going astray here.

That is why you don't need on stuff if you're an enchanter. Don't be that guy. Everyone has a right to a chance at getting enchanting materials.

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You realized you contradicted yourself a bit there then proceeded to argument to that which I debunked. As you say Placement of those buttons have zero impact in the discussion when I wasn't the one who brought it up first, then you proceed to say because greed and disenchant is next to each other they are on an equal roll level which is actually false. Considering the Need and Pass button. So by your logic if a person presses Need everyone else has to press Pass....yeah great logic there ALSO idk if you knew this (least on retail) the disenchant button if rolled higher than need it's still disenchanted. It doesn't follow the same way the Greed button does things.

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Originally Posted by romz

You realized you contradicted yourself a bit there then proceeded to argument to that which I debunked. As you say Placement of those buttons have zero impact in the discussion when I wasn't the one who brought it up first, then you proceed to say because greed and disenchant is next to each other they are on an equal roll level which is actually false. Considering the Need and Pass button. So by your logic if a person presses Need everyone else has to press Pass....yeah great logic there ALSO idk if you knew this (least on retail) the disenchant button if rolled higher than need it's still disenchanted. It doesn't follow the same way the Greed button does things.

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You obviously have 0 research and observation skills.
Button placement is a topic of discussion, there is no confirmation from Blizzard that Greed and Disenchant buttons are on the same row on purpose, but any decently intelligent human can see sense in that placement and options. You are telling something weird about Need and Pass placement, because obviously they are not in the same row, Pass aka close button is in the right upper corner as almost all Windows applications have it, just look at you internet browser and you will understand it.

I will give you some reading, maybe you will understand.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2872617765
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/53491...craft/62726744

And there are thousands of other posts like this, good luck.