Faction Change,Race Change and Rename Character implemented

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Originally Posted by Obnoxious

You can just check if someone is just using a new name to avoid whatever.

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Sorry for my bad English but are you saying that every time someone is trying to make a pug group for raids or 5 man's he/she should check his ignore list and type it in armory so he can be sure that player is not in his group?

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Originally Posted by Obnoxious

And second, votes don't generate funds to cover the server costs. You can't expect to at the same time have something for free AND not having someone else paying for it. Life doesn't works like that.

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I never said that Warmane should act with whatever outcome our vote is. But I think public information and knowledge should be normal thing for a healthy community. We could know what are they up to, and they could know what we think about it. Still, no one says that they should obey our will.

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Originally Posted by Hopca

Sorry for my bad English but are you saying that every time someone is trying to make a pug group for raids or 5 man's he/she should check his ignore list and type it in armory so he can be sure that player is not in his group?

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I'm saying if you want to pug and want to be sure, yes, you have the option of checking. Or don't. The option will be there to be used, but you're not forced to if you find it too much work.

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Originally Posted by Hopca

I never said that Warmane should act with whatever outcome our vote is. But I think public information and knowledge should be normal thing for a healthy community. We could know what are they up to, and they could know what we think about it. Still, no one says that they should obey our will.

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I can't speak about why this wasn't announced, since I don't have an answer to that. You can PM one of our Community Managers if you want an answer, anyways. We always end up knowing what you think about it anyways, don't we? Not to mention over the years we got quite good at predicting it: a ****storm every time, no matter what.

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Originally Posted by Obnoxious

We're having to adapt. Want to know whose fault it is? Look in the mirror.
If we ever want your specific opinion on what to do, we'll let you know. Or you can feel free to start your own to show us how to do it. Lead by example, show us the error of our ways, you know?

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will selling mourne will be another adaptation in year and something? just asking,because it kinda goes that way now. you also must understand fear from your community. WE for sure don't want expirience that after 2 years of playing and probably most of us donating here...

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Originally Posted by Obnoxious

Not to mention over the years we got quite good at predicting it: a ****storm every time, no matter what.

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It's not .... storm but normal discussion, we have a lot of players that came over here just for this principals like no RDF, insta level and all these above.Chip by Chip we are makin this server whats ragnaros and deathwing are now. who knows whats gona be next

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Originally Posted by Uzihunter

will selling mourne will be another adaptation in year and something? just asking,because it kinda goes that way now. you also must understand fear from your community. WE for sure don't want expirience that after 2 years of playing and probably most of us donating here...

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Poulton has sort of addressed that a few posts ago...

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Originally Posted by poulton

What a fantastic assumption, They've chosen one of the lesser evil's to help generate money, therefore instant pay to win legendary is obviously around the corner. durpdurp

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I just dont want this server to become like any other warmane server. The sole reason why im on Lorderon is because they said "something different, new experience ,Hardcore".
I dont want that to go into wind.

I know that server has to earn and look for the money flow. But please, dont look and search it like this.

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Originally Posted by Uzihunter

will selling mourne will be another adaptation

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With where things are going now im 99% sure it ll be. Name and race change are still kinda fine imo ... but faction change? thats bull**** right there. Man all these things server promised at start, if i knew it would end up being another ragnaros and dw i wouldnt even start here. Also personally im not buying that with 26k online playerbase u are low on donations.

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Originally Posted by Mafosak

Also personally im not buying that with 26k online playerbase u are low on donations.

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Really? How much have you donated? How much everyone you know has donated?

You don't have to take that as a direct question - the answer won't matter. It's just rhetorical, because I can safely say the vast majority of people complaining contributed years ago, contributed the very minimum once, or never contributed at all.

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Originally Posted by Mafosak

With where things are going now im 99% sure it ll be. Name and race change are still kinda fine imo ... but faction change? thats bull**** right there. Man all these things server promised at start, if i knew it would end up being another ragnaros and dw i wouldnt even start here. Also personally im not buying that with 26k online playerbase u are low on donations.

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We can be 100% sure that there wont be legandary quest line like they promised, but legendary quest clicking accept line on coin shop to buy it. Dunno where this hardcore is heading right now, not what it supposed to be.

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Originally Posted by poulton

You should be grateful for the people who will pay money for faction and name change then, they let you play here for free.

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Wut ? Never said im not. But after all beautyful fireworks around launching and features here, now we're going to be next Deathwing/Ragnaros with x1,no rdf and no heirlooms obtainable in game. See ?. We made Molten/Warmane, thanks to its community and number they are what they are right now.
Like now they implemented new services w/o letting us know. Is that ok ?
Now I'd like to know bout when smourne will hit coin shop. Right after ICC launch or after first clears. People that came here for hardcore part, should know.

Race/name change are ok. Doesnt affect hardcore style in anyway.
Faction may be ok fi they manage to control it somehow. Faction change shouldnt be avaible 24/7, but when one (ally or horde) is getting bigger than other one. Also limited to like once in a 6 months
They could also consider guild faction change.
In the end, whats the point of calling it hardcore realm where all ur choices now doesnt even matter, cause ure goin to make it like other two lk realms. Picking up faction/race carefully cause you wont be able to change, and leveling on x1 takes time - meh ,pay and ure fixed.

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Originally Posted by Obnoxious

Really? How much have you donated? How much everyone you know has donated?

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Nothing and that wont change. But i stil think that there are notgamebreaking ways to encourage ppl to donate and faction change is not one of them and why do u even allow it for vote points? just to justify its not p2w? i know this feature is interesting for so many ppl and like 80% of them wont even donate now cuz all they have to do is click on page for 30days to get it .... ur not gonna raise much money this way.

Obnoxius, i have respected your opinion but now, you have gone too far.
What do you care how much and does he even donate. Thats the reason it is called donation - help and support if you can.

You are asking yourself now: why should warmane listen to anyone than. They could do whatever they want. But you are missing the point - the whole donation is based on good healthy community and communication. If you have that, you have dobators.

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Originally Posted by Hopca

Obnoxius, i have respected your opinion but now, you have gone too far.
What do you care how much and does he even donate. Thats the reason it is called donation - help and support if you can.

You are asking yourself now: why should warmane listen to anyone than. They could do whatever they want. But you are missing the point - the whole donation is based on good healthy community and communication. If you have that, you have dobators.

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I care exactly because of what I said: the vast majority of people complaining are people who have never done anything to help avoiding these changes becoming necessary. As I said in a different post you can't expect to have something for free AND to not have someone else paying for you. If you don't want to help, fine. We're not making it necessary to donate at all. Just have the decency of not complaining about the ways we have to open to encourage people to pay for your free playing. If we're having to change things we wanted to keep, it's because way too few people actually helped keep things the way we intended for them to be.

I for one knew these changes were coming, I knew it was only a matter of time.
Relying on the other servers for donations would never of worked. Lord got too big, it got too good, things were fixed on Lord that were not on other servers.
So players left the other servers not all players mind you but enough & due to Lords coin store at the time & the Hardcore approach there was not much appeal in wanting to spend money.

Trial and error is all you can do. & as the old saying goes you gotta do what you gotta do.

As I stated many times,all this things are ruining hardcore expirience,which were foundation of this server at it's release. So,we need something to keep this server up and make it good. k,donations. 1 tier below,faction change,mounts,etc. ok. but for god sake,can we stop now?! Can we /you stop here for sake of people who are willing to invest time and money to help server and play here for expirience which was represented? You don't need selling BiS gear (either pve and pvp),legendaries,que skipping (que skipping can easily turn into = blizz system of monthly fee,with different name) to keep up this server. I think Lordaeron doesn't have to be milking cow for other realms and servers,...

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Originally Posted by Bioness

They kinda sneaked it in without an announcement (like the ilevel 200 gear). Character Recustomization was added a few days ago and Race Change, Faction Change, and Name Change were added yesterday.

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It was announced in-game. When you don't know about something, then don't say anything. The same features are also available through the point shop. They were also "POSSIBLE" features in the information thread, not mandatory.

These were the highest requested features from the community itself, they were implemented. Discussing this further won't revert the decision in any way.