Conflagrate damage? wut

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Originally Posted by Spark

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Conflagrate

Patch 3.3.0 (08-Dec-2009): Redesigned. This talent now consumes an Immolate or Shadowflame effect on the enemy target to instantly deal damage equal to 9 seconds of Immolate or 8 seconds of Shadowflame, and causes additional damage over 3 seconds equal to 3 seconds of Immolate or 2 seconds of Shadowflame. In addition, the periodic damage of Conflagrate is capable of critically striking the afflicted target.

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can guarenteed my conflag hit a lot harder on retail than it currently does in full destruction specc, you essentially butchered 2 speccs at once including a weak one making affli the only viable specc at all. (demonology is a cesspool of fck in itself with felguard hitting nowhere near the intended amount, aka 4x less than my imp but doesn't matter other classes won't whine about that so keep it like is hehe xd)
not sure what you used to calculated this, maybe it was something along the lines of having chain lighting 100yards instead of 8 on thorim as well? regardless you probably need to take a second look at this or atleast buff the dot it leaves for pve if you're scared of people getting oneshot

Hybrid was dumb and overpowered and deserved this, deep destruction doesn't.

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Originally Posted by huozai

Molten did affect conflagrate on retail, it should affect it here too.

proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk41sEHh-1Y

17k conflag

now fix please

ps: and stop spreading lies

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Video you linked was uploaded on 12 April 2009, when retail was on 3.0.9
Retail was updated to 3.1.0 on 15 April, 2009. Dont trust me ? Check Blizzard patch notes.

Patch 3.0.0 : Conflagrate: Spell now works similar to Swiftmend, consuming an Immolate or Shadowflame effect on the target and dealing damage based on the strength of that effect. Reduced to a single rank.
This is where Conflagrate got overpowered in 3.0.0.

Now changelogs to conflagrate after patch 3.0.9 from Blizzard official website

Patch 3.1.2 : Conflagrate updated: Consumes an Immolate or Shadowflame effect on the enemy target to instantly deal damage equal to 12 seconds of your Immolate, or 8 seconds of your Shadowflame.
This is where Blizzard removed Molten Core effect totally from Conflagrate and since then it depended only on Improved immolate. Additiona timer stoppd being counted.

Patch 3.3.0 : Conflagrate: Redesigned. This talent now consumes an Immolate or Shadowflame effect on the enemy target to instantly deal damage equal to 9 seconds of Immolate or 8 seconds of Shadowflame, and causes additional damage over 3 seconds equal to 3 seconds of Immolate or 2 seconds of Shadowflame. In addition, the periodic damage of Conflagrate is capable of critically striking the afflicted target.
link : http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/game/patch-notes/3-3-0
Update was applied on 12 September 2009. So your video linked is totally clueless in regarding to your intentions. This is where they limited Conflagrate to only 9 seconds tick of immolate.

Patch 3.3.2 : Conflagrate: The damage-over-time effect of Conflagrate has been increased to 40% of the spell’s total damage, up from 20%.
Link : http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/game/patch-notes/3-3-2
Conflagrate was then a bit buffed in its DOT effect.

Got your answers ?
Stop QQing about Molten Core being added to Conflagrate now.
Do you really want Warmane to keep other classes on 3.3.5 talents and warlocks alone on 3.0.0 ?

Conflagrate damage is surely a bit low. but there is something else wrong in scripts.
But people asking to add molten core to conflagrate is totally dumb. [most of them; themselves have no idea that if molten core was affecting it or not ever on 3.3.5, but all they want is an overpowered buff to conflagrate in any means]
And about hitting hard, Hybrid warlocks were never a top dps on patch 3.3.5. They never came across affliction warlocks on same gears after TOC geared.
None said it without reasons that, Hybrid and Destro specs are good when low geared.

But coming clueless and claiming your conflagrate to be overpowered as per old patches is totally a selfish move, which is obviously expected from warlocks defending their sweet candy to be fixed.

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Originally Posted by Derwin

can guarenteed my conflag hit a lot harder on retail than it currently does in full destruction specc, you essentially butchered 2 speccs at once including a weak one making affli the only viable specc at all. (demonology is a cesspool of fck in itself with felguard hitting nowhere near the intended amount, aka 4x less than my imp but doesn't matter other classes won't whine about that so keep it like is hehe xd)
not sure what you used to calculated this, maybe it was something along the lines of having chain lighting 100yards instead of 8 on thorim as well? regardless you probably need to take a second look at this or atleast buff the dot it leaves for pve if you're scared of people getting oneshot

Hybrid was dumb and overpowered and deserved this, deep destruction doesn't.

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My first ever toon on wow was a Warlock on retail, I don't recall any of hybrid warlocks out dpsing me on ICC and not even hitting those big conflagrates.
I played on Molten after that, and yea there were a lot of bugs when it was molten but still there was no hybrid warlock who could out dps a proper playing affliction.
Back in warmane, it was same story. No hybrid warlock ever out dpsed affliction on any pve content. Some people only used hybrid spec for arena and bgs because it was not so good on pve after toc gears at all.
My OS was hybrid for the same pvp reasons.
Yes, Hybrid was dumb and overpowered till 3.0.9 patch and in later patches for low gears.
I linked blizzard patch notes for you as well to check out that how conflagrate was slowly nerfed and a bit boosted only on DOT effect later. Yet after nerfs theses hybrid/destro specs were good; but not good enough to be on par with affliction one and a raid will always prefer a Demon warlock over a hybrid one for a second warlock.

Don't think anyone can comfortably defend hybrid, that specc was ******ed past month pulling 2K dps more on single target than the next best class, it's all the other speccs that aren't as powerful I'm worried about.

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Originally Posted by Derwin

Don't think anyone can comfortably defend hybrid, that specc was ******ed past month pulling 2K dps more on single target than the next best class, it's all the other speccs that aren't as powerful I'm worried about.

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Nah it was alone hybrid who got overpowered because of a wrong bug report in past.

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Originally Posted by bloodshedsword

Nah it was alone hybrid who got overpowered because of a wrong bug report in past.

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Yah and this ¨fix¨ ruined destruction in pvp making it unplayable. 4.4kgs 2.4k sp = 1.5 noncrit and 2.2k crit into my starter gear 900resil rdruid. **** some ******ed hybrid pve spec which never should have existed, ppl can still play viable affli in there but fix destruction
http://i.imgur.com/7okwNxu.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/wWcaAHk.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/sylBw8k.jpg

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Originally Posted by Yezable

Yah and this ¨fix¨ ruined destruction in pvp making it unplayable. 4.4kgs 2.4k sp = 1.5 noncrit and 2.2k crit into my starter gear 900resil rdruid. **** some ******ed hybrid pve spec which never should have existed, ppl can still play viable affli in there but fix destruction

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Well i will reproduce the conflagrate damage for your armory as a valid proof once i am home.
prolly will contact you after 5 pm server in-game time for the same as well.
Confla should never crit for like 2.2k, if you got 2.4k SP
And i will reproduce it for unbuffed spell power, which is 1946 for you

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Originally Posted by bloodshedsword

And i will reproduce it for unbuffed spell power, which is 1946 for you

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No its not, armory does not show accurate numbers you can see unbuffed sp is 2063 and 2390 with Fel Armor.

Toon name : Yez
Armory : http://armory.warmane.com/character/...daeron/profile
Buffs : Fel armor
spell power : 2390
total immolate DOT damage for 5 ticks : 5915
Damage per tick : ~1183
Adding improved immolate : ~1538
Adding glyph of immolate : ~1774 [Which you are actually not using]

Method 1 : {as per tooltip} -
Conflagrate - Consumes an Immolate or Shadowflame effect on the enemy target to instantly deal damage equal to 60% of your Immolate or Shadowflame, and causes an additional 40% damage over 6 sec.
Adding 15% fire damage from talents as well

Without Glyph - 1538 x 5 = 7690
7690 x .69 = 5306 non crit

With glyph - 1774 x 5 = 8870
8870 x .69 = 6120 non crit

Method 2 : as per Blizzard patch note
Patch 3.3.0 : Conflagrate: Redesigned. This talent now consumes an Immolate or Shadowflame effect on the enemy target to instantly deal damage equal to 9 seconds of Immolate or 8 seconds of Shadowflame, and causes additional damage over 3 seconds equal to 3 seconds of Immolate or 2 seconds of Shadowflame. In addition, the periodic damage of Conflagrate is capable of critically striking the afflicted target.

Counting only 3 ticks to add
Without glyph of immolate - 1538 x 3 = 4614 non crit
Adding 15% fire damage from talents = 5306 non crit

With glyph - 1774 x 3 = 5322 non crit
Adding 15% fire damage from talents = 6120 non crit

Thats what exactly should be conflagrate be for you without buffs.

Well basically,the patch and gears are just a mess up on pvp, affliction scales with haste for pve,can't compare ICC gear with Ulduar and judge the spec.
In the end dont expect a great time on pvp until s8 hit.

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Originally Posted by bloodshedsword

Without glyph of immolate - 1538 x 3 = 4614 non crit

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4614 x0.69 **** math but i know its not 1.5k and 2k crits ... how can you try to justify conflag in destro pvp hitting for less than ****ing engineering hand rocket or shadowburn.

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Originally Posted by Yezable

No its not, armory does not show accurate numbers you can see unbuffed sp is 2063 and 2390 with Fel Armor.

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edited including your fel armor buff

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Originally Posted by Yezable

3981 x0.69 **** math but i know its not 1.5k and 2k crits ... how can you try to justify conflag in destro pvp hitting for less than ****ing engineering hand rocket or shadowburn.

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WTF has 0.69 to do with that 3981 ? calm yourself and read whole details again.

If i cant kill hpals in shfury then destro is buggudedded. simple as that

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Originally Posted by Yezable

If i cant kill hpals in shfury then destro is buggudedded. simple as that

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You just want Warmane to give you a free candy to be overpowered with bugged talents, simple as that.

What talents and if you say molten core one more time then go F yourself theres no fing molten core in destro.