STV Ganking - Last of the Great Outlaws

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Originally Posted by Swarmer

OP did you just found out that you have a fetish of people insulting and you hoped people would tell you youre worthless cause a rogue 23lvls below you made you look like a fool?

mate there is pornhub for that

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My judgement was on cd i couldnt put seal of justice on him.

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Originally Posted by Panofsky

Can you kill lowbies in a pvp server? Yes, you can.
Are the game creators responsable for the ganking? No, you can still choose to not kill the lowbies. Don't blame the devs just because you are an awful person. Stop tryin to dodge the **** you deserve to get.
Are you a bad player? Yes, you are an horrible pvp player, who wouldn't stand a chance in a competitive pvp environment. If you have fun from killing lowbies, we have fun from insulting you on the internet. Stay low, little kid, because that's where you will always be.

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What im doing is actually what the devs wanted and what made old wow good. There is a reason why wow had more than twice as many subscribers back then, and blizz wont even release their sub numbers nowadays. Its because people miss world pvp like this where people had to actually pay attention and help each other with gankers. Instead of now where you just sit in neutral capital and wait for a queu to pop. There is value in the randomness and chaos of world pvp that cant be recreated with pvp daily islands or battlegrounds. Thats why everyone abandoned wow because the devs started pandering to babies who complain and use circle jerks on reddit to gain a false sense of power. One day you may understand the importance of my work. They say that people like me are the last of my kind, one of the last great outlaws ;)

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Originally Posted by vnmb13

My judgement was on cd i couldnt put seal of justice on him.



What im doing is actually what the devs wanted and what made old wow good. There is a reason why wow had more than twice as many subscribers back then, and blizz wont even release their sub numbers nowadays. Its because people miss world pvp like this where people had to actually pay attention and help each other with gankers. Instead of now where you just sit in neutral capital and wait for a queu to pop. There is value in the randomness and chaos of world pvp that cant be recreated with pvp daily islands or battlegrounds. Thats why everyone abandoned wow because the devs started pandering to babies who complain and use circle jerks on reddit to gain a false sense of power. One day you may understand the importance of my work. They say that people like me are the last of my kind, one of the last great outlaws ;)

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AH!
Still trying to dodge the **** you deserve to get like a pro. Nobody miss being oneshotted by someone who is +30 lvl higher. Stop trying to put any sense in your ganking. You are not doing casual and chaotic world pvp. If you wanted to do so, you would not avoid the other lvl 70s as you showed us on your video. The one and only meaning behind world pvp is this: to create big battles between two opposite factions in some random places of the world. You are not doing it, you are just chasing some lowbies while they are trying to complete their quests. And stop trying to use the "world pvp was amazing" card. If it was so amazing you should explain me why it died as soon as the devs introduced the battlegrounds back in vanilla. The subscriptions started to decrease after Wotlk, when your "amazing world pvp" was already dead and cold.

Are you actually serious with your video here? Cant believe that this is not an actual bait. Hard to comprehend the thought process in your head - ''hey this will make a great video of world pvp!!!!''

Also the comment in your video - ''1:06 you are the biggest ***** i've seen on this server.'' Basicly there is level 70 passing him by and he chooses not to pvp against but rather waits it out to kill a questing lowbie.
I agree with that comment and also want to say that you are a pathetic piece of turd

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Originally Posted by whateverittakes

Are you actually serious with your video here? Cant believe that this is not an actual bait. Hard to comprehend the thought process in your head - ''hey this will make a great video of world pvp!!!!''

Also the comment in your video - ''1:06 you are the biggest ***** i've seen on this server.'' Basicly there is level 70 passing him by and he chooses not to pvp against but rather waits it out to kill a questing lowbie.
I agree with that comment and also want to say that you are a pathetic piece of turd

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There would be no point in fighting that person, if you didn't notice, it was someone on their alt following their account with their level 70. So it would of been pretty easy to kill them because it would of taken them 10 seconds to switch back to their main and by then he would be half health.

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Originally Posted by Panofsky

AH!
Still trying to dodge the **** you deserve to get like a pro. Nobody miss being oneshotted by someone who is +30 lvl higher. Stop trying to put any sense in your ganking. You are not doing casual and chaotic world pvp. If you wanted to do so, you would not avoid the other lvl 70s as you showed us on your video. The one and only meaning behind world pvp is this: to create big battles between two opposite factions in some random places of the world. You are not doing it, you are just chasing some lowbies while they are trying to complete their quests. And stop trying to use the "world pvp was amazing" card. If it was so amazing you should explain me why it died as soon as the devs introduced the battlegrounds back in vanilla. The subscriptions started to decrease after Wotlk, when your "amazing world pvp" was already dead and cold.

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But world pvp was amazing and part of what makes the world feel alive. The subscriptions decreased because the game completely removed any need for CC (crowd control (i know you don't even know what that means)) and the LFG queue was added which meant that people just ran through dungeons as fast as they could without even typing anything. This is what really killed the game, not any specific thing, but the removal of interaction between players. World pvp like the type I showcase in my video is only a part of what made the game so great back then. Getting ganked means that either you log out, get on your 70, or ask for a 70 to help you. And asking for a 70 to help you is part of what makes the game great, actually interacting with other players and then when someone actually responds that makes the world feel alive. Just walking around in your own world is not what makes the game great. Sitting in a neutral city without a care in the world is not what makes the game great. Flying into a city that was getting raided like the crossroads and watching 70's fight are some memories that I have of old wow. Getting a bunch of quests done in record time is not a memory, you'll never remember that. But I bet you that rogue that got away for a bit, well, he learned something about his class. That he had the ability to create distance even against a level 70, and how valuable his CD's are.

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Originally Posted by vnmb13

There would be no point in fighting that person, if you didn't notice, it was someone on their alt following their account with their level 70. So it would of been pretty easy to kill them because it would of taken them 10 seconds to switch back to their main and by then he would be half health.

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so there is no point in trying to kill some one that might have had a chance to fight back, tahts not going to help bring back world pvp? but killing lowbies who can never win... thats what will? i cant see your logic here. look dont lie about waht you were doing. your not a hero. your not trying to bring anything back. youll get much better responses from everyone if you just acknowledge what you are doing in these videos is ****ing with people.

oh and then theres this

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Originally Posted by vnmb13

One day you may understand the importance of my work. They say that people like me are the last of my kind, one of the last great outlaws ;)

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dont say **** like this, this is what serial killers and terrorist say when they think they are doing the world justice. all it really does is make you look full of your self. and trust me no one likes that.

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Originally Posted by nubbling

so there is no point in trying to kill some one that might have had a chance to fight back, tahts not going to help bring back world pvp? but killing lowbies who can never win... thats what will? i cant see your logic here. look dont lie about waht you were doing. your not a hero. your not trying to bring anything back. youll get much better responses from everyone if you just acknowledge what you are doing in these videos is ****ing with people.

oh and then theres this



dont say **** like this, this is what serial killers and terrorist say when they think they are doing the world justice. all it really does is make you look full of your self. and trust me no one likes that.

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i was just trying to lighten the mood, you don't have to take it that way. i'm just letting you know i have a playful attitude towards ganking, i don't camp people like some others do. I'm just trying to promote a healthy ganking atmosphere. When you kill someone, don't camp them find someone else. If you see someone on your faction get attacked, help them out.

You cant be serious behind your ******ed posts, i think you are trolling us hard, good job

It's amazing. By every reply you post, your dodge chance is decreasing consequently.

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Originally Posted by vnmb13

There would be no point in fighting that person, if you didn't notice, it was someone on their alt following their account with their level 70. So it would of been pretty easy to kill them because it would of taken them 10 seconds to switch back to their main and by then he would be half health.

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First of all, this is a really childish way to explain your behaviour. You are just assuming that the lvl 70 was following his alt, without any evidence. Using your same logic, I may assume that he was dualboxing and that he could fight you back, without wasting 10 seconds to switch from the alt to the main char. Or... maybe he was just trying to protect another guild member from gankers like you.

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Originally Posted by vnmb13

But world pvp was amazing and part of what makes the world feel alive.

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Still you can't explain why it died as soon as the devs introduced the battlegrounds. I guess it sucks when the majority of the players don't agree with you.

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Originally Posted by vnmb13

The subscriptions decreased because the game completely removed any need for CC (crowd control (i know you don't even know what that means))...

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And here is where we go back to my first post, when I said that you are an horrible pvp player, who wouldn't stand a chance in a competitive pvp environment. First of all, you are really making me laugh at the thought that crowd controls are essential in pvp when you are just one shotting lowbies. Not only that, you are also proving yourself to be a complete noob when it comes to real pvp. If you could just make your first step in arena, you would notice that crowd controls are essential if you want to have even the tiniest chance to win a match above 1700 mmr. Ironically, we had to wait until Mist of Pandaria to see endless crowd controls chains being used in arena by the vast majority of the players. Last but not least, you are playing a freaking retribution paladin! In TBC! All you are doing is refreshing your seal and casting judgement.

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Originally Posted by vnmb13

...and the LFG queue was added which meant that people just ran through dungeons as fast as they could without even typing anything. This is what really killed the game, not any specific thing, but the removal of interaction between players.

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Ah, the good old RDF argument. If you don't want to be grouped with random people to complete a dungeon, make your own party and fly/run to the entrance. That's what guilds are made for. Nobody is forcing you to use the rdf feature. Do you want to socialize? You can waste your time by typing everything you want in the global chat and make new friends there. And by the way, rdf has nothing to do with what we are talking about: ganking. But let's go on to see how you think these arguments are linked to each other.

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Originally Posted by vnmb13

World pvp like the type I showcase in my video is only a part of what made the game so great back then. Getting ganked means that either you log out, get on your 70, or ask for a 70 to help you. And asking for a 70 to help you is part of what makes the game great, actually interacting with other players and then when someone actually responds that makes the world feel alive.

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What? The world pvp you are showcasing? Maybe I haven't been clear enough. There's no world pvp in your video! You are just chasing some lowbies while they are questing! You are not showing us a mass pvp event in STV or a raid group made to invade a major city. And no, nobody would have fun by asking lvl 70 players to help fight back some stupid gankers who are avoiding real world pvp. This has noting to do with the interaction between players, it's just a complete waste of time.

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Originally Posted by vnmb13

Just walking around in your own world is not what makes the game great. Sitting in a neutral city without a care in the world is not what makes the game great. Flying into a city that was getting raided like the crossroads and watching 70's fight are some memories that I have of old wow. Getting a bunch of quests done in record time is not a memory, you'll never remember that.

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How many times have I red these same words? How many times have I been forced to read this stupid argument about questing and leveling? You don't need gankers to feel the world alive! There are so many things to do while leveling trough the zones: questing, gathering mats for your professions, exploring and ... (this may blow your mind, my son) PVP! But when I say pvp, I mean pvp between players of the same lvl! There's no need for a stupid ganker to come here and there just to "teach" (maybe I should replace this word with "force") lowbies to pvp against someone they will never have the chance to fight back.

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Originally Posted by vnmb13

But I bet you that rogue that got away for a bit, well, he learned something about his class. That he had the ability to create distance even against a level 70, and how valuable his CD's are.

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And this is the final masterpiece. How? How can you even think to be taken seriously when you post some bull**** like that? You wanted to teach me about crowd controls when you don't even understand the basic mechanics of this game! Are you really pretending to teach lowbies how to use their crowd controls when they are running away from a lvl 70? Don't you even understand how lucky that rogue has been to land a cc on you when he is supposed to miss 99% of the hits while he is fighting against someone who is 20+ lvls above him? Not only that, I guess you are one of those who think leveling and doing pve is mainly restricted to practice some sort of dps rotation. Do you know how can you learn the value of crowd control? By trying to kill 3 or 4 mobs while you are questing! By interrupting, stunning or using some polymorph abilities inside the dungeons!

Please, stop it now if some sort of self-esteem has been left inside you.

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Originally Posted by Panofsky

It's amazing. By every reply you post, your dodge chance is decreasing consequently.

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Good one, kid

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Originally Posted by Panofsky

First of all, this is a really childish way to explain your behaviour. You are just assuming that the lvl 70 was following his alt, without any evidence. Using your same logic, I may assume that he was dualboxing and that he could fight you back, without wasting 10 seconds to switch from the alt to the main char. Or... maybe he was just trying to protect another guild member from gankers like you.

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It is true though, it is because you can easily have two accounts for free on this server. No human player ever uses the follow function, and I never saw people following each other like this back in retail wow. It is clearly someone on an alt with their 70.

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Originally Posted by Panofsky

Still you can't explain why it died as soon as the devs introduced the battlegrounds. I guess it sucks when the majority of the players don't agree with you.

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Saying it died directly after battlegrounds is making it too simple. The real reason are the increase in daily quests and neutral cities or towns where the guards were too strong to fight back. The daily quests mean that everyone is wrapped up doing the dailies so even if they see an enemy player, they don’t want to fight. Just focus on their quests, effectively making the game a single player game where you just see others questing. And towns with guards that are too strong to fight like everyone in outland is part of the beginning of the end. Because towns were now always a safe space to afk, they were never arenas for epic world pvp. Tarren mill vs hillsbrad fights are some of my best memories in wow. I don’t remember all the time I spent leveling up, or all the instances I did. Which is another part of what killed the game, the removal of needing to do instances at low level. Since they came out with heirloom gear it meant you can focus on just questing and not even have to buy any gear on the AH or do any quests or wanting to do instance quests to level faster. And even if you do an instance in heirloom gear, it would be way too easy and it killed the feel of the instance.

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Originally Posted by Panofsky

And here is where we go back to my first post, when I said that you are an horrible pvp player, who wouldn't stand a chance in a competitive pvp environment. First of all, you are really making me laugh at the thought that crowd controls are essential in pvp when you are just one shotting lowbies. Not only that, you are also proving yourself to be a complete noob when it comes to real pvp. If you could just make your first step in arena, you would notice that crowd controls are essential if you want to have even the tiniest chance to win a match above 1700 mmr. Ironically, we had to wait until Mist of Pandaria to see endless crowd controls chains being used in arena by the vast majority of the players. Last but not least, you are playing a freaking retribution paladin! In TBC! All you are doing is refreshing your seal and casting judgement.

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I was referring to crowd control in dungeons more than pvp. All the CC in mists of pandaria are just a result of another ****up by devs, which was homogenizing classes which started back in wotlk. I never even played MOP because the pandas just seemed so disgusting and that was the turning point when I realized wow was turned into something I didn’t want to even pay for.

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Originally Posted by Panofsky

Ah, the good old RDF argument. If you don't want to be grouped with random people to complete a dungeon, make your own party and fly/run to the entrance. That's what guilds are made for. Nobody is forcing you to use the rdf feature. Do you want to socialize? You can waste your time by typing everything you want in the global chat and make new friends there. And by the way, rdf has nothing to do with what we are talking about: ganking. But let's go on to see how you think these arguments are linked to each other.

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But it does, because RDF replaces the core game. Why make your own group when you could just do random and get auto teleported there and a free reward for completing the instance. And join a guild? You mean join the guilds that just spam invites to random players, or for guild perks? There are hardly any real guilds in the new wow.

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Originally Posted by Panofsky

What? The world pvp you are showcasing? Maybe I haven't been clear enough. There's no world pvp in your video! You are just chasing some lowbies while they are questing! You are not showing us a mass pvp event in STV or a raid group made to invade a major city. And no, nobody would have fun by asking lvl 70 players to help fight back some stupid gankers who are avoiding real world pvp. This has noting to do with the interaction between players, it's just a complete waste of time.




How many times have I red these same words? How many times have I been forced to read this stupid argument about questing and leveling? You don't need gankers to feel the world alive! There are so many things to do while leveling trough the zones: questing, gathering mats for your professions, exploring and ... (this may blow your mind, my son) PVP! But when I say pvp, I mean pvp between players of the same lvl! There's no need for a stupid ganker to come here and there just to "teach" (maybe I should replace this word with "force") lowbies to pvp against someone they will never have the chance to fight back.

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But world pvp does make the world feel alive. When you get ganked, its because a player knowingly attacked you. Someone else in the world did it, not an npc. I remember releveling a rogue that had the same exact race and even face as my old retail account on Lordarean, and getting ganked trying to level which never happened when I leveled back then because it was later in the expansion and I was on a small pve server where I almost never saw anyone. But when I tried leveling and getting ganked, I had to find a new place to level up. I felt like it was almost a reward that I got to see more of the game I never had before. There is so much more to the game than just stv, blasted lands, tanaris, etc. The devs put in so much effort to provide alternate routes to level and you could spend hours just exploring WoW and trying to find the entrance to a new zone you have never been before.

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Originally Posted by Panofsky

And this is the final masterpiece. How? How can you even think to be taken seriously when you post some bull**** like that? You wanted to teach me about crowd controls when you don't even understand the basic mechanics of this game! Are you really pretending to teach lowbies how to use their crowd controls when they are running away from a lvl 70? Don't you even understand how lucky that rogue has been to land a cc on you when he is supposed to miss 99% of the hits while he is fighting against someone who is 20+ lvls above him? Not only that, I guess you are one of those who think leveling and doing pve is mainly restricted to practice some sort of dps rotation. Do you know how can you learn the value of crowd control? By trying to kill 3 or 4 mobs while you are questing! By interrupting, stunning or using some polymorph abilities inside the dungeons!

Please, stop it now if some sort of self-esteem has been left inside you.

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I know all about crowd control while leveing, I used to level a rogue. And also, how do you think that rogue felt when he got that gouge off? I bet he had an adrenaline rush and his mind was going wild. That’s what I want people to feel, excitement from playing the game. Not just another quest completed, or node mined. I want them to look around for places they can hide, or try to quickly map in their head where they’re going instead of following quest helper.
Just trying to show that my intentions aren’t just griefing and that by posting this in general instead of videos, I am trying to spark conversation about what I think WoW was to me. It meant a lot to me to play the game in this version because I feel like it preserved what I liked the most about WoW and playing on this server was a real trip in nostalgia.

https://youtu.be/uzz4N0cZExI?t=11m35s

By the way, here is the original song "The Last of the Great Outlaws" by Grandpa Lies again. Really good stuff, the video makes it better because you get to see him 2-step dancing to the song.

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Originally Posted by Panofsky

Can you kill lowbies in a pvp server? Yes, you can.
Are the game creators responsable for the ganking? No, you can still choose to not kill the lowbies. Don't blame the devs just because you are an awful person. Stop tryin to dodge the **** you deserve to get.
Are you a bad player? Yes, you are an horrible pvp player, who wouldn't stand a chance in a competitive pvp environment. If you have fun from killing lowbies, we have fun from insulting you on the internet. Stay low, little kid, because that's where you will always be.

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what if i kill low lvls and high lvls too?

Cenarius alt account confirmed.

I came to this server in hopes of some good old WPvP. I went to STV to have some fights against my fellow players who chose to be on the alliance side, only to get killed... by level 70s! All i see in STV that 70s hunt for lowbies, or 70s that protect their alts. The second one I understand, i would do the same.
Why?
Because these "last of the great outlaws" who are here to "revive WPvP" ruin it for everyone else. Not that i believe that any of them truly thinks they actually do something constructive. All they do is luring more and more 70s into STV, and once they are there... they dodge them and go kill some other lowbies.
Thank you OP... a big thanks for being such a jerk and being so ignorant about it.

Just disliked the video on youtube. Came here just to state that.

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Originally Posted by Cotty666

I came to this server in hopes of some good old WPvP. I went to STV to have some fights against my fellow players who chose to be on the alliance side, only to get killed... by level 70s! All i see in STV that 70s hunt for lowbies, or 70s that protect their alts. The second one I understand, i would do the same.
Why?
Because these "last of the great outlaws" who are here to "revive WPvP" ruin it for everyone else. Not that i believe that any of them truly thinks they actually do something constructive. All they do is luring more and more 70s into STV, and once they are there... they dodge them and go kill some other lowbies.
Thank you OP... a big thanks for being such a jerk and being so ignorant about it.

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That's the type of stuff that revive wpvp for me. Especially when I find another 70 to group up with. Usually happens mostly by alliance flight path where I meet other people camping and we start to camp the kurzen jungle area.