Paladins rolls for dbw for pvp

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Originally Posted by toniplavna

Because with that logic on Frostmourne you will get the 5d ban for ninja looting in dungeon.

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Why? Show me the rule? And why It would just apply to Frostmourne realm?

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Originally Posted by Greedman45

Tiny abo is bugged so its worse than anything here. And herkuml is worse than dbw, you can check your dps with both on. I agree on the fact that dbw isnt a pala trinket but you cant prioritize like that in a pug. I also believe that fcking leather wrist should be prioritized on rogues and druids and then at warriors even it its bis for them just because warriors can roll on the plate too. You want your bis? sure, create a raid yourself and lead it, or join a guild. Its a pug, deal with it.

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Evidence? What exactly is bugged about Tiny Abomination?

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Originally Posted by mier

That's incorrect. Arp doesn't scale with holy dmg, not even indirectly.
The holy dmg of melee abilitys scales with your white attack base dmg which you can see on the character sheet. White attack base dmg isn't affected by Arp.

Out of all secondary stats Arp is the weakest one for a ret. Haste, crit, hit and exp are all better than Arp.
It is absolute nonsense to give DBW to a ret because there are so many trinkets that are better and easy to purchase. HWT is the best example.

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I think you missed the part where i aknowledge that this is not a paladin trinket?

And well you got me there!
I said this straight out of my head.
Guess i had the wrong memory about it.

Yet it still effects auto attacks, crusader strike and divine storm.

Anyway i was just trying to state that it's not a 100% useless trinket/stat for a paladin.

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Originally Posted by hezente

Yet it still effects auto attacks, crusader strike and divine storm.

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Arp only affects your auto attack dmg.
Arp doesn't affect CS nor DS.

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Originally Posted by mier

Arp only affects your auto attack dmg.
Arp doesn't affect CS nor DS.

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Your next 3 strongest sources of damage should be Divine Storm, Judgment and Crusader Strike. Judgment does holy damage and is unaffected by armor penetration. However, both Divine Storm and Crusader Strike deal physical damage and scale with armor penetration just the same as your auto-attacks do. Each of these 3 abilities should be worth approximately 9-10% of your damage (perhaps higher for Divine Storm, depending on the proc rate of your tier set bonus).

Straight from the link Mercy provided.

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Originally Posted by mier

Arp only affects your auto attack dmg.
Arp doesn't affect CS nor DS.

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Just read the tooltips of certain Paladin abilities. Easy enough to be able to tell that ArP does increase the damage of some of those abilities. The link Mercy provided is also really helpful. Please stop spreading false information.

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Originally Posted by SabDK

Just read the tooltips of certain Paladin abilities. Easy enough to be able to tell that ArP does increase the damage of some of those abilities. The link Mercy provided is also really helpful. Please stop spreading false information.

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NO it does. PLease dont misinform people. Cs and Ds are both physical and are affected by armpen just as your autos. A ret is still going to do approx 60% physical dmg on later stages and there are also set pieces that give armor pen so you are going to have some either way. DBW is not a ret trinket but even the armpen portion is usable as it is on an enha shamman.

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Originally Posted by Greedman45

NO it does. PLease dont misinform people. Cs and Ds are both physical and are affected by armpen just as your autos. A ret is still going to do approx 60% physical dmg on later stages and there are also set pieces that give armor pen so you are going to have some either way. DBW is not a ret trinket but even the armpen portion is usable as it is on an enha shamman.

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Huh? Did you quote the wrong person or does it simply mean you agree with what I said in my previous post? I'm kinda confused. Also, I'd still love to get an explanation on what exactly is bugged about the Tiny Abomination as you had stated before in one of your posts. Cheers!

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Originally Posted by SabDK

Huh? Did you quote the wrong person or does it simply mean you agree with what I said in my previous post? I'm kinda confused. Also, I'd still love to get an explanation on what exactly is bugged about the Tiny Abomination as you had stated before in one of your posts. Cheers!

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Quoted the wrong person yes, sorry about that. Wanted to quote mier dont know how it ended up like that.

Tiny is underproccing heavily right now. There is an extensive analysis on its proc rate on retail which doesnt match up here whatsoever. So my personal suggestion would be to stay away from it for now. You can get it on blackrock pretty easily and do some tests if you dont want to spend time getting it in icecrown.

Oh great are we having another thread about whether or not warmane will ban people for winning items that are dog**** for them?

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Originally Posted by Midgraade

Oh great are we having another thread about whether or not warmane will ban people for winning items that are dog**** for them?

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Some people have commented that, but I don't believe that was the point of the thread.

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Originally Posted by Vilya

As far as I know, You dont gotta have full icc gear before joining icc raid, so still if rets use an **** trinket, leader took him into raid, I dont really see reason why he shouldnt roll for DBW, as long as its upgrade for him.

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I'll give you three reasons.

#1 Mark of Supremacy is an excellent stand-in trinket for the Tiny Abom slot, as it grants bulk hit rating, which allows the Ret to setup their gear set in a similar fashion to bis in order to prepare for it. In addition, the CD of the trinket lines up with wings.
So that covers trinket slot 1.

#2 Herkuml War Token is worth more dps on any fight that lasts more than 1 wings cycle, which is likely every boss since you aren't looking at other ICC raid trinket options yet. This trinket is farmable without even touching ICC. The emblem cost could be farmed up in... 3 weeks? Significantly less if you do ANY ICC bosses AT ALL? Even if farming these emblems aren't feasible because the remainder of the emblem items haven't been farmed yet, Greatness is a decent stand-in for it.

#3 Why not farm for Death's Choice/Verdict or Whispering Fanged Skull first before trying to snipe a trinket that is BIS for other classes? Those trinkets are easier to get, at least on their normal versions, and are at the very top of a Ret's trinket list if you eliminate Sharpened and Tiny Abom from it.
#2 and/or #3 should cover trinket slot 2.

About Tiny abomination in a jar, I would like to see proof of any sort because I became highly interested. Video or source that is linked would be best. If you can provide accurate anecdotal evidence that could be helpful too in assessing Tiny abomination in a Jar's proc rate. I would like to even do some testing on it as well to be sure. What should the proc rate be and how much of a difference do you think it is now than what it should be?

Sincerely,
Bug tester

If it was an upgrade for him, then that is that. If you are in a pug, an item upgrade is an item upgrade. Just because it's better for you, doesn't mean you get priority unless you join a guild and set the rules that way.

I also believe that fcking leather wrist should be prioritized on rogues and druids and then at warriors even it its bis for them just because warriors can roll on the plate too. You want your bis? sure, create a raid yourself and lead it, or join a guild. Its a pug, deal with it.

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Originally Posted by PeNguiNx

If it was an upgrade for him, then that is that. If you are in a pug, an item upgrade is an item upgrade. Just because it's better for you, doesn't mean you get priority unless you join a guild and set the rules that way.

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Sure you can go with that, but this mindset can lead to **** outcomes. By that ligic after PP Warrior can take the Tiny abomination in a jar and both players end up with items that are not that good for them when they could have had their BIS.