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ofc it is harder than simply to broadcast, but if you took into account all the effort both sides put in into going from 0 to that particular moment?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam
i am not going to go thru this like 100th time, but if you think its not worth your time to make an organized raid, its already ur fault that you wipe.
Be4 creating any raid to horde city, especially Orgrimmar, you better be prepared, cus i can assure you, we will be waiting.
Chain Lightning Insta cast, 10 billion magma totems veri complex much hard, veri reward such thought process.
chain doesint kill all ppl arround you, nor magma totems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thydus
my 17 shamans kill 2 ppl with 1chain and hits arround 30% of hp with magma( that is for regular bis geared pvp player).
you all seem to think 40man raid dies of within few chains and few ticks of magma totem as if it was 1 player.
the fight itself lasts arround 0.5-2mins depending on how good opposing faction is organised, thats plenty of time to wipe a multiboxer, who can die in matter of seconds.
You take 25 places by yourself...... That is still the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dralanne1
What in world did you try to say here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dralanne1
15 Chain lightnings kill 2 and leave the rest at 50% hp. Magma kills thos at 50%. MB-er can only be nuked. Use dots against and you boys will only spam hots... Really hard work....
Killing you boys requires a lot of coordination. You need to spam 1-5 and that is it. Basically you need to be a skill tier or two above a MB-er to bring him down. Now that ain't balance.
Since alliance has the most OP pvp racial in the game, i gotta say, Burn baby! buuuurrn :P
that is not the point, did u actually read the post? its about the fact that 1 man can do the work of 25 or 40 players alone. to establish a defence without a multiboxer needs talking and organizing, which takes also time. But a multiboxer can simply move there as himself and act as a full raid...its simply a way the game is not meant to be played with other words, even if you are not breaking any server rules, you are breaking the rules of the world...of warcraft (jeje a pretty old one^^)
doesn't make much sense for one person sitting behind a screen to be able to send 20+ ppl sitting behind a screen who are each individually more skilled than they are at the game to the graveyard by himself unless they are like level 60's and he is 80
that's just where im at on the issue and it being an unfair advantage. Whether or not they are invincible isn't the point.
Takes me about 25-30 days to get enough honor gems to flip into 23 coins, imagine what I could accomplish with mbox. Might be worth doing if I can be definitively sure the ruling wont change.
So i guess we're back to the "i'm better than you" argument, did you know that it takes a tremendous amount knowledge about your class to multi-box it well?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooppickle
Sure, i have a shaman/druid setup, the most OP one of them here, but i ran a feral setup on WoD because it was fun to run around with that, i'm running a dk/monk one in legion because i like the challenge of how to make a tank/dps/healer working, and thinking about start a mixed PvP/PvE one here.
I could be like Prepared and click one button that spams Arcane Explosion on a mage, Moonfire on druids and so on(no offense to him, it was probably more, but didn't look like from his stream), but actually getting to the point where you can comfortably line up different abilities/procs on classes, that takes a good while and skill for that matter too, i have about 40 different keys with different abilities, some for just throwing the ability on all, and some cast sequence them on different subsets of characters, i would guess if any person that doesn't multi-box were put at my setup, even if they could change the key binds to their own, they wouldn't be able to do it within a week.
Multi-boxing requires such an extreme amount of multitasking(to be good at it) that quite frankly i have times after i've been in a Wintergrasp, or a city defense, i just go and fall asleep for several hours because my brain was running at full speed almost all the time.
So could we stop talking about the fact that you're better than me(us), just because you play one character at a time?
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Originally Posted by Bxera
Haha oh wow.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Bxera
Fast positioning ? Never heard, just move your train to the best spot.
Reaction time? Never heard, multiboxers do not pay attention to reactive spells aka iceblock coil/vanish lava burst/grounding silence.
Raid composition problems? Never heard. They always have the classes they want in the amount they want.
Communication problems ? Never heard. Noone to communicate with, broadcast > team speak and typing to balkans in the chat.
All you have to:
- level proper raid setup (x5 rates eazy crap )
- pay, download and google progamm settings
- set up programm
- chek broadcast correction, make some variative macroses classwise
- get used to keybinds (most of boxers skip this part)
- spend 10 hours to log with 25 characters like a complete nerd
- play
Woah woah hard multiboxing lyfe, such pain much wow.
The very example of one Lordaeron keybindless autist salvaging whole realm makes it clear - you don't have to be good in this game to be decent multiboxer.
And yet you just choose to ignore the rest, so lets focus on this,Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam
I have formations that deal with AoE classes, i use them when i find the need to do so.
Do you think I stay on a target that has iceblock, bubble or dispersion up, no, not unless my priest can cast mass dispel.
Do you think I ignore a lock/mage/druid staying on the side line doing aoe/casting aoe dot on me, no.
How about that lock/warrior/priest running towards me with the intend of using mass fear/stun, no.
That rogue that just did vanish?, I cast an aoe ability in its general direction with my druids, if it hits good, if not, let's focus on the other pool of players I have to choose from.
You are choosing to take the example of maybe one or two players you have met(which can do this with BiS gear), but choose to ignore the people that actually know how to setup a complex system which can deal with these things.
And if you're one of those players that think it can be done with 1 key press, do make a macro ingame which has a simple /castsequence and come back with an update on how well your performance went, it doesn't matter if you're 1v1, or 20v20, if your damage sucks, and you can't deal with variables, you aren't going to kill anything significant, because the rest will nuke you before you have killed 5 of them.
Positioning is always a key for boxers, the outcome of battle highly depend on it. As all chars move as 1 unit, being in as complex zone as possible means alot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam
What reaction time do you use when you face 40players apart of popping dmg cooldowns and upon deathgrip iceblock or w/e. During the fight only def cooldown is stoneclaw and barkskin for me, other than that i got some healzzz. The reaction time comes to popping dmg cooldowns as to when thunder or use mastery. We plan what will happen and prepare for it before hand.
I dont see your point here, never herd of phrase ,, invite who you want"? Or are you just brainlessly chosing quantity over quality?
Yes indeed, but due to this advantage we are at even greater disadvantage in efficiancy.
Its not how you keybind you spells, its all about when you use them.
I'am typing what i see regulary, on a daily basis, on Icecrown realm. Multiboxers, few of them - Purplebeer, Tea, Mbxa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bxera
These who really ruin gameplay due to cancer setup and amount of windows have been used.
Sutiation, when two players control 50 bis characters during one WG sounds unrealistic but happens on Warmane due to mindless copycating of Blizzard rules without any adaptation to customized private server's reality.
An i could not care less about some WoD tryharder who jumps out of his pants in attempts to prove how skilled he might be.
Probably you are special snowflake in multiboxing tribe, but multiboxers in general are braidnead garbages rely on huge stacked firepower they are incapable to make without 3d party programms.
As i said, most famous and annoying Lordaeron keybindless clicker ruins your wall of text bouta only skilled multiboxers being successfull.
- get out of range to not be aoed by vehiclesQuote:
Originally Posted by Dralanne1
- stay on the hill for better view
- stay behind a wall for totem spam and hidden aoe
- leave catapult's aoe if massive one and has been launched by 5+ catapults
Thats all your positioning since the very day of merge.
There is no difference for you between one lone player or 40 players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dralanne1
In both situations you spam your main spells with two results: aoe them or get aoed. In situation with lone player you just fire shock him.
Don't you tell me you try to ground death coils in 1 vs 25 fight ?
So, to beat multiboxer outdoor you constantly say about organizing good premade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dralanne1
You know, phrase "invite who you want" does not work when it comes to good premade ?
Wait wait wait wait wait...Multiboxers are talking about "skill" & a tremendous amount knowledge about your class" Oh god please.
Is harder to setup Multibox program itself, then actually be succesfull as Mboxer in BG/WG.
Keep talk about "how good you need to be to be Mboxer:
- Get 5 Rdruids with spamming Hots (not even need to cast)
- Get Shamans, bind Tremor and Grounding totem.
- Have fun -
Ah forgot it.
Also pay more then 100euro for skip ques. LOL
I'm not against Multiboxers, as their "top" dream is to kill people in BGs, while sitting out of arenas like dogs out of resturants. Altho reading that "a tremendous amount knowledge about your class" is needed, is just the best joke ever read.
Thanks Mboxers for your answers on this topic, i swear are making me happy. XD
This WG situation is getting out of hand with the imbalance the MBoxers bring (often in terms of numbers but also focused damage).
It does not really matter what team has the MBoxers, the effect is still the same for the opposite side. As of late though there have been far too many Alliance MBoxers and I fear that if this situation does not get resolved soon then people will turn to Hacking and Exploiting to effectively check-mate the Mboxers.
The last thing we need is people using Fly, Speed and Negative damage hacks to counter this.