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To answer your question, it would be better to compare resilience with another primary stats. If not, you can go for an infinite amount of resilience if you can.Quote:
Originally Posted by ciamcoreal
^If that is right, you will never reach 100% damage reduction from resilience.Quote:
1 - 0.99^(Resilience/79.12785)
There are infinite factors too look at plus personal preference.Quote:
Originally Posted by ciamcoreal
The resilience that comes with gear is more than enough, if you replace some slots with pve gear, you can gem yellows with stat/resil or resil gems.
Of course you will not. Imagine being immune to damage lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caylara
You can not reach it due to gear not having high enough numbers and the formula.
ofc o.o what you wanna be god? :x you can calculate the exact number of resil required for 100% damage reduction if this formula holds till end of WoW as a game, but I doubt it would be in the current retail expansion or the next few.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caylara
It was changed in each 5.x patch to a different one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaitokenjin
It was just an argument to show him he'll never stop stacking resilience if he has no other priorities than that :(. It's just impossible to do the math to compare resilience with any other stats when you're aiming for DPS too, though. Unless you're a PvP tanker and will ignore the most DPS you can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaitokenjin
And nawh, 0,99^N will never be 0.
Well to compare resil vs other stats, like stated in the last page, you have to run a multiple regression model with assigning value to performance (depending on class and the other factors I mentioned)Quote:
Originally Posted by Caylara
and that is true o.o the limit as resil goes to infinity of that function is 1. it will get really close to 100% though like 99.99999999 or something, but never 1.
But that doesn't really help me understand. I mean, I'm not going to be thinking equations and graphs while I'm eating a 70k Templar's Verdict, am I? It may not seem relevant to you because of your thought process on the matter, but I'm just questioning why it should matter when what anyone would be looking for with such a question is something a little more tangible - will this 400 resilience keep me alive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaitokenjin
And I answered, at a certain level on that resil scale, 400 resil will only increase your damage mitigation by such. Now to answer if it will keep you alive or not, once again you'd need to factor in many things. I only try to help provide the numbers :P
ofc you won't be thinking of math while actually in the battle, neither would you be contemplating if you should be taking a pvp gear or a pve gear (or gemming a slot with resil, or reforging to such and such, etc.). All these numbers are for out of battle gearing contemplation.
Like I said Grace, we were talking about 2 different topic, and I agree with you that more resil = always better mitigation. And the so called "sweet spot" for each class depends on many variables that can not be calculated at this time and would require deep understanding of every single talent, build, role, etc.
But yes, you're right, to totally render resil as "useless" is wrong. resil will always have a significance use, and stacking full resil will not hurt. It's jsut the matter of asking: what is better? to get this pve piece or get that resil piece? What will increase my performance more?
http://imageshack.us/a/img51/8682/clts.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Sapphire
400 resilience = 10 resilience gems. I'll compare 10 resilience gems to 10 stamina gems, at a base of 4000 resilience!
10 stamina gems = 600 stamina = 10200 health
4000 resil =~= 39,83% resistance
4400 resil =~= 42,81% resistance
If 10 resilience gem > 10 stamina gems in overall resistance, then...
HP x (1/1-0,4281) > (HP + 10200) x (1/1-0,3983)
HP x (1/0,5719) > (HP + 10200) x (1/0,6017)
HP x 0,6017 > (HP + 10200) x 0,5719
0,0521 HP > 10200
HP > 195777
If your health is over 195777, then 10 resilience gems > 10 stamina gems.
Now, eh... at least this proves blood DKs will never focus on resilience, other than the PvP gear itself.
4000 resil = 39.83%Quote:
Originally Posted by Caylara
4400 = 42.81%
Fixed for ya, I added 1% to the 4400 accidentally. I also tried to keep it next to the true result this time!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaitokenjin
The result is now reliable.
I'll... try to go deeper on it to see at what point stamina becomes better than resilience.
In hindsight, I feel my posts may have been a little aggressive. I apologize for that if they appeared that way. After thinking for a while on the subject, I realize that my own thoughts is not the extent of human curiosity. Just because I'm not interested in something doesn't mean someone else isn't. Carry on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaitokenjin
@Caylara, you really shouldn't compare stamina to resilience. Both fall under "effective health". They compliment each other, and when used together, they are much stronger than they would be separate.
You still forgot to multiply 0.5719 with 10200.Quote:
HP x 0,6017 > (HP + 10200) x 0,5719
0,0521 HP > 10200
Its actually hp> 111965.0672
@ grace: no need to appologize xD you've but only sparked my desire to explajn using math. As a part time math tutor/teacher I enjoy working the numbers and logic.
Stamina is at no point better then resilience if you receive any healing from outside sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caylara
I did that part again, and got the same result. I brought 0,5719 to the other side first, so the result won't have significant changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaitokenjin
Blood DKs. The increased self heals will become better, at some point, than resilience's resistance.Quote:
Originally Posted by dragon1414
But, the best way to compare if resilience is better than stamina at your character is for you do the math yourself. Then, you may even put the self healings in the math.
Yus, I wanted the perfect formula to compare them both and make a perfect harmony amongst them. Well, I failed to simplify it. I can decide when a resil gem is better than stamina, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapphire