What does Sargeras need?

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Originally Posted by XxNotoriousxX

A powerful aimed shot that deals 160% ranged weapon damage plus 776 + 72.4% of RAP.

Tooltip is wrong. You can test yourself.

As for all the real testing, we did it on the old bugtracker, you can take it up with BlueAO.

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The tooltip is right. The damage is wrong. But what the hell. This is molten, I'm not suppose to waste my time with this.

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Originally Posted by ilyanah

The tooltip is right. The damage is wrong. But what the hell. This is molten, I'm not suppose to waste my time with this.

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You can check the tooltip, I posted the formula, just plug it in... lol O.o

I'm far too lazy to take screenshots and post them, but sorry to burst bubble, it seems fine on my hunter.

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Originally Posted by MissBunnyz

Best advice. Don't pay attention to general whining. I would still recommend to stay away from Locks, Boomkins, Frost DKs, Ele Shammies, fury warrs feral druids and rogues for PvE.

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and why would u stay away from fury warrs ? fury is awesome spec especially if the fight wont last too much i am doing around 60k on zonozz in fury so i wouldnt stay away from fury warrs

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Originally Posted by samcho4

and why would u stay away from fury warrs ? fury is awesome spec especially if the fight wont last too much i am doing around 60k on zonozz in fury so i wouldnt stay away from fury warrs

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our Arms warriors are doing 65-70k, in none BiS gear, in 10m. Anything Fury can do, Arrms will be better at this point. Higher 1st 10 seconds burst means nothing.

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Originally Posted by MissBunnyz

our Arms warriors are doing 65-70k, in none BiS gear, in 10m. Anything Fury can do, Arrms will be better at this point. Higher 1st 10 seconds burst means nothing.

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really? seems interesting mind doing a video of a morchork kill with a non bis gear arms warrior doing 65-70k i would like to see it.

BTW once arms warriors execute gets fixed fury wont be as behind:)

Sorry for oftopic but...

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Originally Posted by Kemii

Why do people keep going on with this BS?

Stop seriously. You have no idea oh how a class is meant to be played, how it was on retail and how it is actually bugged here then please stop with the bull****.

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Originally Posted by ilyanah

hehehe. These people doesn't even know that their bugged.

I asked an enhancement shaman, Why is your damage so High even with green gear? His answer, "Enhancement Shamans are supposed to be this way". ZOINKS

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After this u get thing like this

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Originally Posted by ilyanah

This is where you will find that I am a god at explaining things.

I have a hunter I made a long time ago, you can view it's gear here Shintenduchi, I still have green and blue pvp gear.
And I test this on a lvl 1 dummy so there would be no damage mitigation whatsoever.

First off, lets take a look at Aimed Shot.
http://i.imgur.com/a8PHqh2.jpg
So the formula for this is very simple.
White dmg (100% weapon damage) + 60% more damage + 5658 = result

So I'm going to give you a baseline on where it all starts.
http://i.imgur.com/ZXnb8QV.jpg

3951 as weapon damage, we would just add 60% more for Aimed Shot because 3951 is already 100% weapon damage.

Lets use calculator then add.
3951 + 60% = 6321.6
6321.6 + 5658 = 11979.6

So the damage output of aimed shot should be 11980 or somewhere very close to that.
but no, here is your aimed shot damage.
http://i.imgur.com/zBqvJwQ.jpg

15,468!

Aimed shot is overscaling by 40% more damage than what it should. One positive bugged explained but theres more.

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I thought that u will QQing becuse BMs and their pets...

You could just check old bug tracker. http://forum.molten-wow.com/bugtraq....w&vbug_id=9150

Formula goes something like this (100% normalizated weapon dmg + 72.4% RAP + 776) * 160% + 100

U add + 60% more after u calculated ur 3959 + 5658 = 9617 * 1.6 = approximate ur 15387 dmg on dummy

For rest info check that bug report.

And hunter HAVE some realy bad nerf bugs, example http://bugtracker.molten-wow.com/issues/4717

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Originally Posted by StarScape

Sorry for oftopic but...




After this u get thing like this



I thought that u will QQing becuse BMs and their pets...

You could just check old bug tracker. http://forum.molten-wow.com/bugtraq....w&vbug_id=9150

Formula goes something like this (100% normalizated weapon dmg + 72.4% RAP + 776) * 160% + 100

U add + 60% more after u calculated ur 3959 + 5658 = 9617 * 1.6 = approximate ur 15387 dmg on dummy

For rest info check that bug report.

And hunter HAVE some realy bad nerf bugs, example http://bugtracker.molten-wow.com/issues/4717

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Now Ily can spend as much time going through all the testing done for Aimed Shot like hunters did for months :P

Thanks for finding link to old bugtracker

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Originally Posted by XxNotoriousxX

As for crits, I don't think I was correct with the 1.5 times scaling, some confirmation would be nice on that, I think I'm seeing 2x damage on crits. Thought this was changed in cata, but maybe not :P

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Crits are 2x on hunters. They used to be 1.5x for casters but they're all double now too. Also, many classes have talents/meta gems that modify crit bonuses, not sure about hunters...

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Originally Posted by Kevinator

really? seems interesting mind doing a video of a morchork kill with a non bis gear arms warrior doing 65-70k i would like to see it.

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He talked about a specific fight (Warlord):

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Originally Posted by samcho4

i am doing around 60k on zonozz in fury so i wouldnt stay away from fury warrs

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I answered him, regarding the same fight:

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Originally Posted by MissBunnyz

our Arms warriors are doing 65-70k, in none BiS gear, in 10m.

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Originally Posted by Kevinator

BTW once arms warriors execute gets fixed fury wont be as behind:)

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That a blunt lie. Just have a look at World of Logs for Cataclysm and you will see how wrong you are. Fury depends on a very good burst, rest of the fight their dmg/dps is just poop.

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Originally Posted by XxNotoriousxX

Now Ily can spend as much time going through all the testing done for Aimed Shot like hunters did for months :P

Thanks for finding link to old bugtracker

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People were successful making the aimed shot overpowered. Their tests at first were within range. They "fixed" it adding more damage to it to shut people up.

I tested my simple formula on all my Death Knight abilities. and they were all correct except for one, Blood strike, every DK knows that it deals another 40% damage with both disease up. The Devs missed that, but blood strike is a worthless skill now for Death Knights so people ignored it.

I hate it when people takes advantage of a buggy server suffering from buggy class abilities. And I also love how people tend to abuse bugs against me,
for example: while I have Anti-Magic Shell and healing myslef, you guys bombard me with Silencing shots and Counter Spells which should be resisted by Anti-Magic Shell. Any harmful magical effect should be resisted.

What a broken game.

ilyanah, development doesn't come cheap. there's a lot of bugs, but you to learn to accept that when you play on free private server.

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Originally Posted by MissBunnyz

He talked about a specific fight (Warlord):


I answered him, regarding the same fight:





That a blunt lie. Just have a look at World of Logs for Cataclysm and you will see how wrong you are. Fury depends on a very good burst, rest of the fight their dmg/dps is just poop.

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Im sorry but I have never used cata logs could you tell me if this is right or not
http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/...rchok/10N/dps/ On this fight morchork fury warrior is top and i dont see another arms warrior until 2-3 pages. like i said before I dont know if this is right or if this was done by level 90. so if i am wrong have mercy:)

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Originally Posted by MissBunnyz

ilyanah, development doesn't come cheap. there's a lot of bugs, but you to learn to accept that when you play on free private server.

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If I am a PvEr yea it won't matter, I don't care. But it matters a lot in PvP.

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Originally Posted by ilyanah

...And I also love how people tend to abuse bugs against me...

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That's actually what I do, I never use bugged skills against anyone else but when I see you, I am totally like "Oh ****, Ilyanah, better start using bugs fast".

Desecration working as intended, nuff said.

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Originally Posted by ilyanah

If I am a PvEr yea it won't matter, I don't care. But it matters a lot in PvP.

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Well beggars can't be choosers at this point. Course a lot went retail so... if you are after a bug free experience it is definitely the way to go.